Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Benggaul]

33,344 new cases, a little over 1k more than two weeks ago. The US also passed 7 million confirmed cases.

California: 2,784 new cases; 31 deaths
Fuck Florida.
Tennessee: 2,075 new cases; 2 deaths
Texas: 2,058 new cases; 34 deaths
Wisconsin: 1,665 new cases; 1 death
Illinois: 1,402 new cases; 14 deaths
North Carolina: 1,333 new cases; 8 deaths
Minnesota: 1,296 new cases; 2 deaths
Georgia: 1,134 new cases; 3 deaths
Missouri: 1,051 new cases; 17 deaths
Oklahoma: 1,003 new cases; 3 deaths

Not much to say except the trend for the past week continues. The Midwest is flaring up all over and after the dip in cases last week due to the holiday they're increasing back up to the levels from the week before. Given that it's the weekend lull there's little data to go over, but that much is clear at least.

294 deaths brings us up to 204,118. Lower than weeks before but that's expected. I think we'll be seeing daily totals fewer than 1k more often this week as the lagging death indicator continues to catch up with the lower daily total of new cases. One can hope, at least.

Stay safe, folks.

[Thepersona]

Exactly, Obama nominated Garland with 9 months before the election, right now we have what? 43 days? To go? I don't remember what it is, I just know it is less than 2 months. And if the Republicans even try, they should all be voted out.

Friday it was 45 days till election. Monday will be 42, which is 6 weeks. Which is fucking nothing for confirming a SCOTUS judge

[Paranoid Android]

Exactly, Obama nominated Garland with 9 months before the election, right now we have what? 43 days? To go? I don't remember what it is, I just know it is less than 2 months. And if the Republicans even try, they should all be voted out.

Not replying to person on my ignore list but hey the iron! Garland was approved by the Senate 76-23 but that didn't make a difference when it came to SCOTUS. Republicans are hypocrites and pulled some bullcrap back in 2016. Now, here they don't care and will happen again.

[silveth]

Exactly, Obama nominated Garland with 9 months before the election, right now we have what? 43 days? To go? I don't remember what it is, I just know it is less than 2 months. And if the Republicans even try, they should all be voted out.

2018 based on the idea of needing to vote for them to approve Trump's supreme court picks. So the people that voted for them (and remember the republicans gained a couple of vote in the Senate in 2018) wanted them there to do this. No matter how they personally feel about it.

I am not saying its right or wrong for them to push one through, but I do know that you don't win reelections if you don't do what your voters want. I disagreed with them not holding hearings for Obama's pick back then also. They didn't have to approve his pick, but I believe that Obama had the right to submit one and for them to go through the process. I still believe the same thing now. One of the biggest disagreements I had with my father was about that back then.

I also believe that when the Senate next swings the democrats and the situation comes up in reverse, they have every right to do the same.

[Antiganon]

2018 based on the idea of needing to vote for them to approve Trump's supreme court picks. So the people that voted for them (and remember the republicans gained a couple of vote in the Senate in 2018) wanted them there to do this. No matter how they personally feel about it.

I am not saying its right or wrong for them to push one through, but I do know that you don't win reelections if you don't do what your voters want. I disagreed with them not holding hearings for Obama's pick back then also. They didn't have to approve his pick, but I believe that Obama had the right to submit one and for them to go through the process. I still believe the same thing now. One of the biggest disagreements I had with my father was about that back then.

I also believe that when the Senate next swings the democrats and the situation comes up in reverse, they have every right to do the same.

So when the GOP broke the rules to benefit themselves in 2016 you were sad about it, but now that they are upholding the rules they broke last time, because upholding those rules benefits themselves this time, you are fine with it?

[Felya]

Friday it was 45 days till election. Monday will be 42, which is 6 weeks. Which is fucking nothing for confirming a SCOTUS judge

69 days is the average... the issue is what happens after the election. I think Dems can hold it until after the election, but not until January.

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I am not saying its right or wrong for them to push one through, but I do know that you don't win reelections if you don't do what your voters want.

Once Trump gets the pick, what will his voters want when voting for him? Why would people vote for him, if he has nothing left?

[Xyonai]

Time to play everyone's favorite Game: Which (former) Trump Advisor just got nailed for financial fruad?!

Today's Winner seems to be: Paul Manafort!

[Fugus]

Well, just had a discussion with a Trump supporting friend of mine and the extents he went to to not understand something basic just to cling to him was just aweinsping.

Him: Me and my family have better paying jobs now than we did 4 years ago, coincidence, I think not.

Me: It's not a coincidence, Trump swore into office we were already 7 years into the longest stretch of economic and job growth in US history.

Him: That's your opinion.

Me: No, it's a fact, here is Trumps own administration on the white house website admitting and even celebrating it.

Them: That's your opinion of it.

Me: No, it's not an opinion, it a verifiable fact with numbers and all to back it up and in black and white.

Them: We each have our own views.

Me: No, it's not my view or your view or anyone elses, it isn't an opinion, it isn't up for debate, it is a flat out fact.

Them: Sure, your "Fact".

Me: It's not up for debate by either of us or anyone else, its an actual fact.

Them: You just can't except that other people have different views than you.....

Like how dense can one person get when they can't tell the difference between the two......

If it is in black and white, mathematically verifiable with concrete evidence from the official figures and from your own sources even verifying it while trying to steal credit, it isn't an opinion.....

The extents people go to to protect their feelings and then have the nerve to think others are snowflakes.

[Thepersona]

Well, just had a discussion with a Trump supporting friend of mine and the extents he went to to not understand something basic just to cling to him was just aweinsping.

Him: Me and my family have better paying jobs now than we did 4 years ago, coincidence, I think not.

Me: It's not a coincidence, Trump swore into office we were already 7 years into the longest stretch of economic and job growth in US history.

Him: That's your opinion.

Me: No, it's a fact, here is Trumps own administration on the white house website admitting and even celebrating it.

Them: That's your opinion of it.

Me: No, it's not an opinion, it a verifiable fact with numbers and all to back it up and in black and white.

Them: We each have our own views.

Me: No, it's not my view or your view or anyone elses, it isn't an opinion, it isn't up for debate, it is a flat out fact.

Them: Sure, your "Fact".

Me: It's not up for debate by either of us or anyone else, its an actual fact.

Them: You just can't except that other people have different views than you.....

Like how dense can one person get when they can't tell the difference between the two......

If it is in black and white, mathematically verifiable with concrete evidence from the official figures and from your own sources even verifying it while trying to steal credit, it isn't an opinion.....

The extents people go to to protect their feelings and then have the nerve to think others are snowflakes.

These idiots are a burden to society. For fucks sake, why there are so many stupid humans on a first world country?

[cubby]

Well, just had a discussion with a Trump supporting friend of mine and the extents he went to to not understand something basic just to cling to him was just aweinsping.

Him: Me and my family have better paying jobs now than we did 4 years ago, coincidence, I think not.

Me: It's not a coincidence, Trump swore into office we were already 7 years into the longest stretch of economic and job growth in US history.

Him: That's your opinion.

Me: No, it's a fact, here is Trumps own administration on the white house website admitting and even celebrating it.

Them: That's your opinion of it.

Me: No, it's not an opinion, it a verifiable fact with numbers and all to back it up and in black and white.

Them: We each have our own views.

Me: No, it's not my view or your view or anyone elses, it isn't an opinion, it isn't up for debate, it is a flat out fact.

Them: Sure, your "Fact".

Me: It's not up for debate by either of us or anyone else, its an actual fact.

Them: You just can't except that other people have different views than you.....

Like how dense can one person get when they can't tell the difference between the two......

If it is in black and white, mathematically verifiable with concrete evidence from the official figures and from your own sources even verifying it while trying to steal credit, it isn't an opinion.....

The extents people go to to protect their feelings and then have the nerve to think others are snowflakes.

I truly fear this is what we've become as a nation...Asimov nailed it decades ago.

[Paranoid Android]

If Hillary Clinton had won the 2016 election, the Scalia seat might not have been filled yet

This is the truth isn't? How long would they have blocked in January of 2016 til maybe now.

[cubby]

If Hillary Clinton had won the 2016 election, the Scalia seat might not have been filled yet

This is the truth isn't? How long would they have blocked in January of 2016 til maybe now.

McConnell has changed the rules of political "decency" and I don't think he understands how back the Democrats could make it for him in the future. 13 SCOTUS seats is just the start.

[s_bushido]

This is the truth isn't? How long would they have blocked in January of 2016 til maybe now.

Maybe. It might have been motivation for Dem voters to turn out to eject GOP senators from their seats. But probably not.

[cubby]

Maybe. It might have been motivation for Dem voters to turn out to eject GOP senators from their seats. But probably not.

Democrats did pretty well in 2018 - and there weren't many seats to gain either. I hear what you're saying, and there certainly would have been major outrage (and I don't think Kennedy would have retired either), but gaining Senate seats just wasn't on the agenda for them.

[s_bushido]

gaining Senate seats just wasn't on the agenda for them.

That's what I meant. It could have been put on the agenda if the GOP were willing to delay an appointment like that for half a decade...because they're pure garbage.

[Monster Hunter]

I truly fear this is what we've become as a nation...Asimov nailed it decades ago.

I'm gonna say this pretty blunt but I mean no offense by it but, I remember people over here making jokes about americas bad education system back in the 90s and let's face it the key to a good democracy is a well educated people's, america considering its the richest nation on the planet is ranked only 20th in the world for education and thats as an average, in its most poor areas I imagine its on par with some 3rd world schools, in iq average rankings its one of the lowest in developed 1st World nations and that's not good considering the money America has that it can invest.

What that means is basically the chickens keep coming home to roost for you guys democratically, trump is not the first president you guys have had thats been an international embresment, of the presidents ive seen in my life time, 2 have been impeached, 1 was a rampant set pest, another destabilised the whole middle east to finish what his dad started and had the us intelligence agency out right lie to my country to get us involved and then ofc there's "try bleach injections" trump who needs no introduction, the only president in my life time that people here didn't laugh at and make fun of was Obama.

Now personally I'm non plus, I'm not an American, and my feeling about Americans I've made very clear, but as a half hearted point I know you guys over there won't take on board I think it would do you guys a lot of good to start talking about education reform more seriously, because until you do that everything else is basically pointless because anything you gain if the demo got power you would just loose when the next trump typed politician managed to worm there way onto office, which will continue to be a risk as long as so much of your population is poorly educated.

Take that as you will.

[cubby]

That's what I meant. I could have been put on the agenda if the GOP were willing to delay an appointment like that for half a decade...because they're pure garbage.

Ah, gotcha - I think I misunderstood what you meant.

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I'm gonna say this pretty blunt but I mean no offense by it but, I remember people over here making jokes about americas bad education system back in the 90s and let's face it the key to a good democracy is a well educated people's, america considering its the richest nation on the planet is ranked only 20th in the world for education and thats as an average, in its most poor areas I imagine its on par with some 3rd world schools, in iq average rankings its one of the lowest in developed 1st World nations and that's not good considering the money America has that it can invest.

What that means is basically the chickens keep coming home to roost for you guys democratically, trump is not the first president you guys have had thats been an international embresment, of the presidents ive seen in my life time, 2 have been impeached, 1 was a rampant set pest, another destabilised the whole middle east to finish what his dad started and had the us intelligence agency out right lie to my country to get us involved and then ofc there's "try bleach injections" trump who needs no introduction, the only president in my life time that people here didn't laugh at and make fun of was Obama.

Now personally I'm non plus, I'm not an American, and my feeling about Americans I've made very clear, but as a half hearted point I know you guys over there won't take on board I think it would do you guys a lot of good to start talking about education reform more seriously, because until you do that everything else is basically pointless because anything you gain if the demo got power you would just loose when the next trump typed politician managed to worm there way onto office, which will continue to be a risk as long as so much of your population is poorly educated.

Take that as you will.

You'll get no argument from me. Personally, I think education is the only real key to digging out of our racist and ignorant society - people in the conversation that was linked are like that and worse here in the United States - it's horrific.

And the problem you outlined gets worse.

Even if the United States turned some proverbial corner and funded education to the Nth degree, making schools palaces and teachers six figure earners, we'd still be screwed. Because education in America is community based, so regardless of what was sent down the funnel for funding, we'd still have the willfully ignorant teaching the next generation. Plus - we have all the people who are taught ignorance and hate at home, and how the holy fuck do we combat that?

The only real fix, centered on the premise that education is the Silver Bullet, is to reorganize all of education so it flows from a centralized, federalized source. But then we'd get a Devos in there before any of that good stuff took hold, and it would be monumentally fucked again.

I've been chatting with friends/family/forums looking for a solution to what Trump is a symptom of, and we're still looking.

[Bodakane]

I'm gonna say this pretty blunt but I mean no offense by it but, I remember people over here making jokes about americas bad education system back in the 90s and let's face it the key to a good democracy is a well educated people's, america considering its the richest nation on the planet is ranked only 20th in the world for education and thats as an average, in its most poor areas I imagine its on par with some 3rd world schools, in iq average rankings its one of the lowest in developed 1st World nations and that's not good considering the money America has that it can invest.

What that means is basically the chickens keep coming home to roost for you guys democratically, trump is not the first president you guys have had thats been an international embresment, of the presidents ive seen in my life time, 2 have been impeached, 1 was a rampant set pest, another destabilised the whole middle east to finish what his dad started and had the us intelligence agency out right lie to my country to get us involved and then ofc there's "try bleach injections" trump who needs no introduction, the only president in my life time that people here didn't laugh at and make fun of was Obama.

Now personally I'm non plus, I'm not an American, and my feeling about Americans I've made very clear, but as a half hearted point I know you guys over there won't take on board I think it would do you guys a lot of good to start talking about education reform more seriously, because until you do that everything else is basically pointless because anything you gain if the demo got power you would just loose when the next trump typed politician managed to worm there way onto office, which will continue to be a risk as long as so much of your population is poorly educated.

Take that as you will.

Its another reason why I thought Warren would be the perfect candidate. She was a former educator and because of that she has an excellent ability to break down complex things in ways even the stupid could understand, plus I figured education reform would be sort of pet project at worst for her.

But the cowardly part of the Democrats decided Biden was the safer choice even though their last safe choice lost to Trump.

[Fugus]

These idiots are a burden to society. For fucks sake, why there are so many stupid humans on a first world country?

@cubby

The funny part was his friends tried to jump in and back him claiming I didn't give any facts even after the link.

Just to see how far he would go, I posted a thread on my main page with a meme I posted in it from Rick and Morty where Rick ripped back some wallpaper and it had some text saying "You can't argue facts with opinions". I intentionally did that to get his attention but didn't tag him to see if he would call himself out for it. And I posted roughly our conversation and what I did here.

He responded that if I was going to talk about our conversation that I should be man enough to tag him in it. I told him I wanted to give him the chance to see if he wanted to out himself as the one who couldn't tell the difference between a fact and an opinion. And if he can tell what I was talking about when I spelled it out like that.

No response so far. Pissed him and his wife off some with how I kept repeating that facts aren't opinions but he could never refute it. Not sure what else he honestly could think I was talking about when I was talking about facts as the only other things I said was that Trump has damaged us as a nation and I can prove that mathematically and with evidence and that as bad as Biden is, Trump is a worse option.

Unless he was seriously overlooking the one fact I actually posted to verify to cling to the other stuff.

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Sad thing is, I would love to get me a passport and move but I am stuck reliant on the VA for a paycheck and I can't leave my family behind and I know they wouldn't come and couldn't afford to.

So I am stuck watching the inmates run the asylum and deny reality and can't get the hell away from it.

[Deus Mortis]

In throwing your life away news. AP sources: Woman accused of sending ricin letter arrested

https://news.yahoo.com/ap-sources-wo...234947312.html

A woman suspected of sending an envelope containing the poison ricin, which was addressed to White House, has been arrested at the New York-Canada border, three law enforcement officials told The Associated Press on Sunday.

The letter had been intercepted earlier this week before it reached the White House. The woman was taken into custody by U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers at the Peace Bridge border crossing near Buffalo and is expected to face federal charges, the officials said. Her name was not immediately released.

The letter addressed to the White House appeared to have originated in Canada, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police have said. It was intercepted at a government facility that screens mail addressed to the White House and President Donald Trump and a preliminary investigation indicated it tested positive for ricin, according to the officials.

The officials were not authorized to discuss the ongoing investigation publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.