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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    In the ongoing effort to prove what hypocrites they are, several Party of Trump Senators are claiming Hunter Biden's work with Ukraine was unethical.

    "Of course, we're ignoring Kushner, Ivanka, and especially Trump himself when we say this," they basically admit. "I mean, Trump said directly that Russia wasn't in Ukraine, then was corrected to his face, and clarified that Russia wouldn't be in Ukraine if Trump had been in charge. Then, Trump did fuck-all about it, and invited Russia to G8 personally. Basically, we have no choice but to be hypocrites, because it is not possible to back Trump in any other way."
    Which is funny, cuz the investigators in Ukraine said that Hunter Biden wasn't even being investigated. Meanwhile, Ron Johnson, signed the letter that Biden sent to Ukraine, to get the corrupt prosecutor fired. And now he is sucking Trump's cock to win re-election with Trump's psycho fanatics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Templar 331 View Post
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...PJa?li=BBnb7Kz



    Trump saying the quiet part out loud again. As well as not knowing how the SCOTUS works.
    Also, isn't saying that you need a tie breaker to make it in your favor MAKING it political/biased?

    Like if he never mentions the election, the idea of having a tie breaker is definitely a good idea. But the moment that you mention that you want it for a specific reason, that just flushes reason down the gold-plated toilet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    I mean I no doubt believe he would try. But if electors went against the popular vote within their state, they would become enemy combatants as well as anyone still supporting Trump at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zEmini View Post
    I mean I no doubt believe he would try. But if electors went against the popular vote within their state, they would become enemy combatants and targeted by a mob of angry voters.
    Believe they can't anymore. The "faithless" electors aren't a thing anymore, I believe. https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/88516...constitutional

  5. #54265
    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    apparently if trump loses he will have republican legislators dictate the electoral votes go to him instead of the popular vote winner in that state
    if you thought the electoral college was bad because of 2016, just wait til it turns out you can win the popular vote in the swing states and still lose,
    and he gets a republican majority on the court, so theres literally nothing we can do. permanent gop rule
    This might get very scary. With SCOTUS in the bag I am seeing a real possibility of Trump doing everything to rig this election. These are frightening times.

    Maybe more in General Election thread but remember as much as we can be comfortable in polls it is till up to this shitty Electoral College so Trump effin a few states is all he needs.
    "Buh dah DEMS"

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Believe they can't anymore. The "faithless" electors aren't a thing anymore, I believe. https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/88516...constitutional
    That is a big sigh of relief. This is just decided recently and doesn't apply to every state.

    Just another argument for the Popular Vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Believe they can't anymore. The "faithless" electors aren't a thing anymore, I believe. https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/88516...constitutional
    "Thirty-two states have some sort sort of faithless elector law, but only 15 of those remove, penalize or simply cancel the votes of the errant electors. The 15 are Michigan, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Indiana, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, Washington, California, New Mexico, South Carolina, Oklahoma and North Carolina."

    Unfortunately only AZ, SC, and MI are kinda relevant. The main states we're looking at needing don't have adequate protections. The ruling only affirms that the states that do have the laws can enforce them. States that don't have the laws in place would need another court ruling I believe, to determine if the SC ruling applies.
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  8. #54268
    Quote Originally Posted by Nurasu View Post
    "Thirty-two states have some sort sort of faithless elector law, but only 15 of those remove, penalize or simply cancel the votes of the errant electors. The 15 are Michigan, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Indiana, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, Washington, California, New Mexico, South Carolina, Oklahoma and North Carolina."

    Unfortunately only AZ, SC, and MI are kinda relevant. The main states we're looking at needing don't have adequate protections. The ruling only affirms that the states that do have the laws can enforce them.
    Well, that is disheartening, but maybe if some Republicans against Trump get to be those "electors", and vote against their states decisions. Either that will spur them to adopt the same laws, or maybe force people into pushing for getting rid of the shitty EC altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zEmini View Post
    I mean I no doubt believe he would try. But if electors went against the popular vote within their state, they would become enemy combatants as well as anyone still supporting Trump at that point.
    Well, 2016 had 7 faithles electors. OF which, suprisingly most (5) were from states won by Hillary Clinton. Which was a record for over 100 years. Also we are obviously not counting 1872 election, where the Electors were unable to vote Greely, because he died, before the vote was cast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josykay View Post
    Well, 2016 had 7 faithles electors. OF which, suprisingly most (5) were from states won by Hillary Clinton. Which was a record for over 100 years. Also we are obviously not counting 1872 election, where the Electors were unable to vote Greely, because he died, before the vote was cast.
    It wasn't okay to try then and it won't be okay in November.

  11. #54271
    Quote Originally Posted by zEmini View Post
    It wasn't okay to try then and it won't be okay in November.
    True, having a faithless elector decide the election would be outrageous, or some scumback dumbfuckery like the election 1876, between Hayes and Tilden, where the Republicans kind of bought the favor of 20 Electorates, in exchange for easier treatment towards rebel states. Not going to lie, Tilden as president would be terrible, but the way that Hayes became president... well, let's just say wasn't the most cleanest action. After all, Tilden won the Popular Vote by 3%, which is an even higher margin than Clinton vs Trump, and got snatched by a single electoral vote.
    The Republicans conceeded an awful lot to the rebels, and particulary the 5th point "The right to deal with blacks without northern interference."... Just how about NO?!

  12. #54272
    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    apparently if trump loses he will have republican legislators dictate the electoral votes go to him instead of the popular vote winner in that state
    if you thought the electoral college was bad because of 2016, just wait til it turns out you can win the popular vote in the swing states and still lose,
    and he gets a republican majority on the court, so theres literally nothing we can do. permanent gop rule
    I'm glad the Belarus election happened already so we got a preview of our election and the aftermath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    I swear every time I see clips of a Trump rally or some event where he's spewing his usual garbage I always think of that scene, "So this is how democracy dies, with thunderous applause".
    No one predicted it would be this stupid... US is not a struggling nation with intolerable strife... especially people like Trump. We have a populist movement, pushed by a NYC billionaire oligarch. Something so backwards, was never predicted...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    No one predicted it would be this stupid... US is not a struggling nation with intolerable strife... especially people like Trump. We have a populist movement, pushed by a NYC billionaire oligarch. Something so backwards, was never predicted...
    See, the seeds of this have been around since the Clinton Admin, and began germinating during Obama's tenure when the Reactionary Tea Party movement popped up in response to the possibility of a black guy being president. Then that animosity continued to fester, as the voice of the Republican electorate shifted into just being about not being 'Liberals' and dictated electable policy amongst the GOP and finally culminated in someone 'brave' - IE: Tactless - enough to simply say the quiet parts out loud and pandered directly to the ignorant masses.

    Trump could've been some hick from Kansas or a tech mogul from California and I think he would've still won with the way he had acted during the 2016 election cycle.

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    Trump on his message to Blacks upset with handling of Breonna Taylor case: "I love the Black community, and I've done more for the Black community with the possible exception of Abraham Lincoln."

    Such a simple minded piece of garbage. Moron with his lack of intelligence can only brand himself as he had been the greatest since Lincoln. So insulting for any person to make a claim that they helped out a certain group than another person.

    Won't get too deep but if also believe that setting African American slaves was the pinnacle then again just plain insulting.
    "Buh dah DEMS"

  16. #54276
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Believe they can't anymore. The "faithless" electors aren't a thing anymore, I believe. https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/88516...constitutional
    In some states the state legislature have the option to take back their right to pick the electors. Most of the battleground states have republican state legislatures due to 2010 jerrymandering. I think if that happens though the union will become irreperably broken and I am not sure what the way forward after that is.

  17. #54277
    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    In some states the state legislature have the option to take back their right to pick the electors. Most of the battleground states have republican state legislatures due to 2010 jerrymandering. I think if that happens though the union will become irreperably broken and I am not sure what the way forward after that is.
    All legal mechanisms would have failed at that point. So the only way forward would be bloody or submitting to dictatorship, not exactly great options.

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    shots fired in louisville

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    shots fired in louisville
    With the white nationalist militia there, this was inevitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    With the white nationalist militia there, this was inevitable.
    someone blasting cops

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