Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[silveth]

Oh look seems that huge conspiracy the lesser educated is trying to start over these 9 envelopes just turned out to be errors by a new employee.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...officials.html

A temporary contractor in the battleground state of Pennsylvania mistakenly threw mail-in ballots for President Donald Trump in the trash, county officials revealed.


Gee everyone is shocked.... /s

You know the funny part. With all of the things that have gone wrong this year with mail in voting attempts people still think it will work and be fine. After NY and NJ's debacles in their attempts people still think its a good idea at this point. I won't even get into the 100's of documented cases of mail in voting issues over the years (and that is without it being a thing in most states).

I will state the statistics.

1% of in person votes fail to be counted for whatever reason.
2% of absentee votes fail to be counted for whatever reason. This is already a couple of million.
In the 2 attempts at mail in voting in NY and NJ (both democrat run, in democrat districts) they had a failure rate of over 20%. This is from a city and a borrow, not even a whole state.

But don't actually research and read things like local news or papers, listen to the democrats and the big media that everything with it is perfect.

Funny that people are trying to accuse Trump of stealing the election before it happens when he is pushing for the same rules that apply every year and its the democrats trying to force a new way no matter how many times it proves unreliable. Even though the "Top Doctors" that the media likes say that in person can be safely just like anything else at this point with social distancing.

It is interesting that I heard that they said they expect 80+ million votes by mail and it to be a majority for Biden. It would be funny if that 20% failure continues and the 16 million votes that won't count cause Biden to lose.

I am all for mail in voting if it can be done securely and timely. But the facts seem to be that we don't have the time to make it work right this year.

This is the democrats blocking the second republican "relief bill" because it was only about providing funds. The Democrat bill had lovely pieces like making voter id laws in states illegal and removing signature verification for absentee ballots.... HUH What exactly did those have to do with extending the funds for people and business in this crisis? I have no idea, but like its been said, never let a good crisis go to waste.

[Elegiac]

I will state the statistics.

That's nice, can you source them? Because chances are you can't given aforementioned nonsense about "all the things that have gone wrong this year" with no citations, kek. Like hun, I live in Washington; we've been using mail in voting by default for 15 years now - we saw all this bullshit scaremongering before and it did not materialise.

As it turns out, the only people who were protesting it were the same Republicans who make it a point of policy to make it harder to vote. Funny that.

[Zan15]

You know the funny part. With all of the things that have gone wrong this year with mail in voting attempts people still think it will work and be fine. After NY and NJ's debacles in their attempts people still think its a good idea at this point. I won't even get into the 100's of documented cases of mail in voting issues over the years (and that is without it being a thing in most states).

I will state the statistics.

1% of in person votes fail to be counted for whatever reason.
2% of absentee votes fail to be counted for whatever reason. This is already a couple of million.
In the 2 attempts at mail in voting in NY and NJ (both democrat run, in democrat districts) they had a failure rate of over 20%. This is from a city and a borrow, not even a whole state.

But don't actually research and read things like local news or papers, listen to the democrats and the big media that everything with it is perfect.

Funny that people are trying to accuse Trump of stealing the election before it happens when he is pushing for the same rules that apply every year and its the democrats trying to force a new way no matter how many times it proves unreliable. Even though the "Top Doctors" that the media likes say that in person can be safely just like anything else at this point with social distancing.

It is interesting that I heard that they said they expect 80+ million votes by mail and it to be a majority for Biden. It would be funny if that 20% failure continues and the 16 million votes that won't count cause Biden to lose.

I am all for mail in voting if it can be done securely and timely. But the facts seem to be that we don't have the time to make it work right this year.

This is the democrats blocking the second republican "relief bill" because it was only about providing funds. The Democrat bill had lovely pieces like making voter id laws in states illegal and removing signature verification for absentee ballots.... HUH What exactly did those have to do with extending the funds for people and business in this crisis? I have no idea, but like its been said, never let a good crisis go to waste.

You got links to those numbers and data and studies...and actual facts?
Because everything else people have linked state they are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY lower than that, i mean waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay lower

[Elegiac]

You got links to those numbers and data and studies...and actual facts?
Because everything else people have linked state they are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY lower than that, i mean waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay lower

Notice how they're deliberately distorting the timeline of events too, too.

The bit about "Funny that people are trying to accuse Trump of stealing the election before it happens when he is pushing for the same rules that apply every year and its the democrats trying to force a new way no matter how many times it proves unreliable. Even though the "Top Doctors" that the media likes say that in person can be safely just like anything else at this point with social distancing" - ignoring the fact that this conflates things that happened months apart.

[Bodakane]

You know the funny part. With all of the things that have gone wrong this year with mail in voting attempts people still think it will work and be fine. After NY and NJ's debacles in their attempts people still think its a good idea at this point. I won't even get into the 100's of documented cases of mail in voting issues over the years (and that is without it being a thing in most states).

I will state the statistics.

1% of in person votes fail to be counted for whatever reason.
2% of absentee votes fail to be counted for whatever reason. This is already a couple of million.
In the 2 attempts at mail in voting in NY and NJ (both democrat run, in democrat districts) they had a failure rate of over 20%. This is from a city and a borrow, not even a whole state.

But don't actually research and read things like local news or papers, listen to the democrats and the big media that everything with it is perfect.

Funny that people are trying to accuse Trump of stealing the election before it happens when he is pushing for the same rules that apply every year and its the democrats trying to force a new way no matter how many times it proves unreliable. Even though the "Top Doctors" that the media likes say that in person can be safely just like anything else at this point with social distancing.

It is interesting that I heard that they said they expect 80+ million votes by mail and it to be a majority for Biden. It would be funny if that 20% failure continues and the 16 million votes that won't count cause Biden to lose.

I am all for mail in voting if it can be done securely and timely. But the facts seem to be that we don't have the time to make it work right this year.

This is the democrats blocking the second republican "relief bill" because it was only about providing funds. The Democrat bill had lovely pieces like making voter id laws in states illegal and removing signature verification for absentee ballots.... HUH What exactly did those have to do with extending the funds for people and business in this crisis? I have no idea, but like its been said, never let a good crisis go to waste.

I too will state the statistics.

100% of your post is utter and complete bullshit.

[Zan15]

In the 2 attempts at mail in voting in NY and NJ (both democrat run, in democrat districts) they had a failure rate of over 20%. This is from a city and a borrow, not even a whole state.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/n...ing-fraud.html


LOL maybe you should read how the 20% quickly became NOT CLOSE to 20%


As the investigation unfolded, some conservative groups seized on the more than 3,000 ballots that were thrown out to make the case that mail-in voting makes it too easy to manipulate elections by allowing ineligible voters, including the dead, to vote.

About 1,200 votes were disqualified because voters’ signatures did not match those on file, according to the Passaic County Board of Elections.

In New Jersey, voters can designate someone to submit ballots on their behalf, but no one is allowed to drop off more than three during an election. As a result, an additional 1,000 votes were disqualified because a section on the ballot to list the name of the person sending them in had been left blank.

Only three ballots were thrown out because they had been cast in the names of people who were dead, and another was rejected because of suspicions that someone might have attempted to vote twice (lol trump is pushing for his people to do this)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...le/5493078002/

The Passaic County Board of Elections tossed out 3,190 mail-in ballots, or about 19% of those submitted, according to Northjersey.com. Of those, 800 ballots were improperly bundled. Election workers rejected the remaining 2,300 for other concerns, including signatures on the ballots not matching the ones on file.

[Skulltaker]

You know the funny part. With all of the things that have gone wrong this year with mail in voting attempts people still think it will work and be fine. After NY and NJ's debacles in their attempts people still think its a good idea at this point. I won't even get into the 100's of documented cases of mail in voting issues over the years (and that is without it being a thing in most states).

I will state the statistics.

1% of in person votes fail to be counted for whatever reason.
2% of absentee votes fail to be counted for whatever reason. This is already a couple of million.
In the 2 attempts at mail in voting in NY and NJ (both democrat run, in democrat districts) they had a failure rate of over 20%. This is from a city and a borrow, not even a whole state.

But don't actually research and read things like local news or papers, listen to the democrats and the big media that everything with it is perfect.

Funny that people are trying to accuse Trump of stealing the election before it happens when he is pushing for the same rules that apply every year and its the democrats trying to force a new way no matter how many times it proves unreliable. Even though the "Top Doctors" that the media likes say that in person can be safely just like anything else at this point with social distancing.

It is interesting that I heard that they said they expect 80+ million votes by mail and it to be a majority for Biden. It would be funny if that 20% failure continues and the 16 million votes that won't count cause Biden to lose.

I am all for mail in voting if it can be done securely and timely. But the facts seem to be that we don't have the time to make it work right this year.

This is the democrats blocking the second republican "relief bill" because it was only about providing funds. The Democrat bill had lovely pieces like making voter id laws in states illegal and removing signature verification for absentee ballots.... HUH What exactly did those have to do with extending the funds for people and business in this crisis? I have no idea, but like its been said, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Do you happen to have a source for that?

[Blur4stuff]

People verifying signatures aren't all handwriting experts and it's a great way to toss ballots from people that you suspect are voting for democrats.

Even putting all of that corruption aside, people don't write exactly the same for their entire lives. They change naturally, people get injuries or other disabilities that alter their writing style, etc...

It doesn't make any sense.

[Gorsameth]

People verifying signatures aren't all handwriting experts and it's a great way to toss ballots from people that you suspect are voting for democrats.

Even putting all of that corruption aside, people don't write exactly the same for their entire lives. They change naturally, people get injuries or other disabilities that alter their writing style, etc...

It doesn't make any sense.

I am going to take a wild wild stab and say they were not thrown out for a slightly more pronounced slant on their L's.

[D Luniz]

People verifying signatures aren't all handwriting experts and it's a great way to toss ballots from people that you suspect are voting for democrats.

Even putting all of that corruption aside, people don't write exactly the same for their entire lives. They change naturally, people get injuries or other disabilities that alter their writing style, etc...

It doesn't make any sense.

my signature looks the ekg of a coma patient, so I doubt it would pass

[Benggaul]

People verifying signatures aren't all handwriting experts and it's a great way to toss ballots from people that you suspect are voting for democrats.

Even putting all of that corruption aside, people don't write exactly the same for their entire lives. They change naturally, people get injuries or other disabilities that alter their writing style, etc...

It doesn't make any sense.

They are disqualified by a bipartisan team of judges, usually. And they ARE specifically trained in some form of signature/handwriting recognition for the job.

https://co.grand.co.us/DocumentCente...ication?bidId=

[Elegiac]

They are disqualified by a bipartisan team of judges, usually. And they ARE specifically trained in some form of signature/handwriting recognition for the job.

https://co.grand.co.us/DocumentCente...ication?bidId=

I think it's more a criticism of signatures as an authentication factor because they're objectively pretty shit for that purpose, if every permission slip for field trips and sick days in my school years was any evidence.

[Benggaul]

my signature looks the ekg of a coma patient, so I doubt it would pass

Depends entirely on consistency and how you've signed it in your most recent ballots/requests.

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I think it's more a criticism of signatures as an authentication factor because they're objectively pretty shit for that purpose, if every permission slip for field trips and sick days in my school years was any evidence.

Maybe, but I was mostly responding to the "it's probably used as an excuse to throw out votes for *insert party here*" and "they aren't experts" notes, because both of those are wrong.

[PhaelixWW]

1% of in person votes fail to be counted for whatever reason.
2% of absentee votes fail to be counted for whatever reason. This is already a couple of million.

You're already wrong, here.

From the Comprehensive Report on the 2016 Election, only 318,728 out of the 33,378,450 submitted absentee ballots were rejected. That's 0.95%.

From the Comprehensive Report on the 2012 Election, only 258,380 out of the 27,624,254 submitted absentee ballots were rejected. That's 0.94%.

So I guess, then, that you should agree that absentee ballot voting is better than in-person voting, right?

[postman1782]

You're already wrong, here.

From the Comprehensive Report on the 2016 Election, only 318,728 out of the 33,378,450 submitted absentee ballots were rejected. That's 0.95%.

From the Comprehensive Report on the 2012 Election, only 258,380 out of the 27,624,254 submitted absentee ballots were rejected. That's 0.94%.

So I guess, then, that you should agree that absentee ballot voting is better than in-person voting, right?

There is a reason he won't cite his sources.

[Benggaul]

43,206, about the same as last Saturday.

California: 3,404 new cases; 51 deaths
Wisconsin: 2,817 new cases (new record); 7 deaths
Fuck Florida.
Illinois: 2,441 new cases; 25 deaths
Texas: 2,227 new cases; 100 deaths
North Carolina: 1,759 new cases; 31 deaths
Missouri: 1,476 new cases; 39 deaths
Minnesota: 1,470 new cases (new record); 10 deaths
Tennessee: 1,437 new cases; 22 deaths
South Carolina: 1,371 new cases; 26 deaths
Georgia: 1,359 new cases; 40 deaths
Indiana: 1,142 new cases; 11 deaths
Ohio: 1,101 new cases; 6 deaths
Utah: 1,017 new cases; no deaths reported
New York: 1,007 new cases; 4 deaths

Pretty self-explanatory for the most part. The Midwest continues being a shitshow. South Dakota broke their new cases total record for the third time in four days--no word yet on whether Governor Kristi Noem (R) regrets saying "Less COVID; more hunting" while mocking social distancing 4 days ago. The numbers suggest Kentucky will be on my list again at some point next week (970 today and trending upward for the past couple weeks). About half of the states are currently experiencing increasing daily totals of various degrees. Alabama went back down below 1k today suggesting their huge total yesterday was just a correction but I haven't been able to confirm that anywhere. Feel free to chime in if you know something.

737 deaths is up a bit from last Saturday, putting the total at 209,177. We might still have a 1k+ day next week on Tuesday or Wednesday but I'm expecting the numbers to continue dropping a bit more overall. For now, at least.

Related news:

Wildfires and Labor Day celebrations are causing spikes in cases in Oregon.
The US could see an explosion of Covid-19 cases as fall and winter set in--(The IMHE model suggests deaths per day might jump to 3k in the winter)
Ex-care home bosses charged over dozens of Covid deaths in Massachusetts--good thing that GOP bill removing liability hasn't gone through yet.

Stay safe, folks.

[DingDongKing]

43,206, about the same as last Saturday.

California: 3,404 new cases; 51 deaths
Wisconsin: 2,817 new cases (new record); 7 deaths
Fuck Florida.
Illinois: 2,441 new cases; 25 deaths
Texas: 2,227 new cases; 100 deaths
North Carolina: 1,759 new cases; 31 deaths
Missouri: 1,476 new cases; 39 deaths
Minnesota: 1,470 new cases (new record); 10 deaths
Tennessee: 1,437 new cases; 22 deaths
South Carolina: 1,371 new cases; 26 deaths
Georgia: 1,359 new cases; 40 deaths
Indiana: 1,142 new cases; 11 deaths
Ohio: 1,101 new cases; 6 deaths
Utah: 1,017 new cases; no deaths reported
New York: 1,007 new cases; 4 deaths

Pretty self-explanatory for the most part. The Midwest continues being a shitshow. South Dakota broke their new cases total record for the third time in four days--no word yet on whether Governor Kristi Noem (R) regrets saying "Less COVID; more hunting" while mocking social distancing 4 days ago. The numbers suggest Kentucky will be on my list again at some point next week (970 today and trending upward for the past couple weeks). About half of the states are currently experiencing increasing daily totals of various degrees. Alabama went back down below 1k today suggesting their huge total yesterday was just a correction but I haven't been able to confirm that anywhere. Feel free to chime in if you know something.

737 deaths is up a bit from last Saturday, putting the total at 209,177. We might still have a 1k+ day next week on Tuesday or Wednesday but I'm expecting the numbers to continue dropping a bit more overall. For now, at least.

Related news:

Wildfires and Labor Day celebrations are causing spikes in cases in Oregon.
The US could see an explosion of Covid-19 cases as fall and winter set in--(The IMHE model suggests deaths per day might jump to 3k in the winter)
Ex-care home bosses charged over dozens of Covid deaths in Massachusetts--good thing that GOP bill removing liability hasn't gone through yet.

Stay safe, folks.

Kristi Noem is a fucking dipshit.

[Zan15]

You know the funny part. With all of the things that have gone wrong this year with mail in voting attempts people still think it will work and be fine. After NY and NJ's debacles in their attempts people still think its a good idea at this point. I won't even get into the 100's of documented cases of mail in voting issues over the years (and that is without it being a thing in most states).

I will state the statistics.

1% of in person votes fail to be counted for whatever reason.
2% of absentee votes fail to be counted for whatever reason. This is already a couple of million.
In the 2 attempts at mail in voting in NY and NJ (both democrat run, in democrat districts) they had a failure rate of over 20%. This is from a city and a borrow, not even a whole state.

But don't actually research and read things like local news or papers, listen to the democrats and the big media that everything with it is perfect.

Funny that people are trying to accuse Trump of stealing the election before it happens when he is pushing for the same rules that apply every year and its the democrats trying to force a new way no matter how many times it proves unreliable. Even though the "Top Doctors" that the media likes say that in person can be safely just like anything else at this point with social distancing.

It is interesting that I heard that they said they expect 80+ million votes by mail and it to be a majority for Biden. It would be funny if that 20% failure continues and the 16 million votes that won't count cause Biden to lose.

I am all for mail in voting if it can be done securely and timely. But the facts seem to be that we don't have the time to make it work right this year.

This is the democrats blocking the second republican "relief bill" because it was only about providing funds. The Democrat bill had lovely pieces like making voter id laws in states illegal and removing signature verification for absentee ballots.... HUH What exactly did those have to do with extending the funds for people and business in this crisis? I have no idea, but like its been said, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Where'd you go??? Hello?

[eschatological]

People verifying signatures aren't all handwriting experts and it's a great way to toss ballots from people that you suspect are voting for democrats.

Even putting all of that corruption aside, people don't write exactly the same for their entire lives. They change naturally, people get injuries or other disabilities that alter their writing style, etc...

It doesn't make any sense.

This is true if you show up in person at the polls too. All you have to do is sign your name and they compare the signatures. Hell, it might even be easier to be fraudulent there, because you can at least see the signature they have on file for you to try and copy.

[postman1782]

Where'd you go??? Hello?

He won't come back, at least not to actually back up his claims.