1. #56921
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferly View Post


    The most stupid man ever to stumble across this planet.
    Perfectly sums up Trump: a constant parade of intelectual and moral misery , a check with a date for a decade later (and ironically still no funds) , a perpetual deferred payment of his words.

    The virus? It will magically blow away. Just wait and see.
    The job market? It will recover like a lightning. Just wait and see.
    The wall? It will get built ( and paid by Mexico). Just wait and see.
    Iran-North Korea nuclear issues? We will stop them. Just wait and see.

    Trump is a talented futurist whose solutions always comes tomorrow but the fucked up thing about tomorrow is that once we are there it's not tomorrow anymore....it's today so the solution is still....tomorrow.

    So don't worry about climate change...it will get cooler. Trust me. Just wait and see. Of course don't ask me for responsibility when the shit hits the fan because I won't be there but for now don't worry about it.

    It will get better........tomorrow.

    This is an orphan annie president.

  2. #56922
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-wh...terectomies-11

    if this turns out to be true ( which almost every whistleblower does)
    im just going to call trump a nazi
    because thats literally some nazi eugenics shit
    but you know
    this is 100% what the "economically anxious" factory worker in ohio wanted, so it wont even cost him support

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skulltaker View Post
    I'm not going to defend incompetence, but unless a warship is flying colours, most civilians would be hard-pressed to tell a US ship from a Russian, German, Chinese, British or any other modern Navy one. It's not like the nation is written on the seabord in giant letters. You need to have an active interest in these kinds of things to know that the US doesn't have Battlecruisers, that Battleships are no longer a thing, or that this is a Russian ship. The guy probably just typed in 'menacing US ship' and got a picture of a Kirov class.
    I literally found out like a few weeks ago the US doesn't really have battleships anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    I literally found out like a few weeks ago the US doesn't really have battleships anymore.
    Think the last time a Battleship was used was during the first Gulf War, and those were refitted WW2 Iowa-class BBs

  5. #56925
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    I really don't want to have the "What qualifies as a mass grave?" conversation twice this year.
    forgot about this... https://www.democracynow.org/2015/7/...rants_found_in

    all the reporters i follow who do border work have warned for years of very bad shit going down there (and being harrassed and targeted by law enforcement). I cant remember that geezer who died trying to burn ICE vehicles but what a champion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    I literally found out like a few weeks ago the US doesn't really have battleships anymore.
    Well technically I think we still have one or two in mothballs but highly unlikely to ever be reactivated and refurbished there just isn't any use for them any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-wh...terectomies-11

    if this turns out to be true ( which almost every whistleblower does)
    im just going to call trump a nazi
    because thats literally some nazi eugenics shit
    but you know
    this is 100% what the "economically anxious" factory worker in ohio wanted, so it wont even cost him support
    Found myself in a facebook thread and then hovering in a toilet about to puke, because a lot of people were clamboring about how Trump deserves a third term because the "demonic rats" ruined his first term. Anyways, with all the unconstitutional batshittery, one guy wanted Trump to win again entirely because the last four years were "the best four years his shop ever had."

    Never mind the 200,000 dead Americans, the kids in cages, the forced hysterectomies, the extortion of world leaders for dirt on Joe Biden, the sabotage of the post office, the rise of white nationalism and hate crimes . . . his fucking shop had a great four years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    Well technically I think we still have one or two in mothballs but highly unlikely to ever be reactivated and refurbished there just isn't any use for them any more.
    Kinda makes sense, with the aircraft carrier the dominant naval force, a battleship just seems redundant.

  8. #56928
    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    Found myself in a facebook thread and then hovering in a toilet about to puke, because a lot of people were clamboring about how Trump deserves a third term because the "demonic rats" ruined his first term. Anyways, with all the unconstitutional batshittery, one guy wanted Trump to win again entirely because the last four years were "the best four years his shop ever had."

    Never mind the 200,000 dead Americans, the kids in cages, the forced hysterectomies, the extortion of world leaders for dirt on Joe Biden, the sabotage of the post office, the rise of white nationalism and hate crimes . . . his fucking shop had a great four years.

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    Kinda makes sense, with the aircraft carrier the dominant naval force, a battleship just seems redundant.
    Honestly in actual wartime situation of near peers I am not sure how survivable any naval ship is any more. I kind of suspect in a major conflict we find that carriers are basically sitting ducks and its just to easy to swamp them from stand off range with missile strikes to the point they can't survive near enough a hostile target to deploy their fighters effectively. We mostly use them against non peers as mobile airbases which has been useful for the conflicts we have been doing.

  9. #56929
    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    Honestly in actual wartime situation of near peers I am not sure how survivable any naval ship is any more. I kind of suspect in a major conflict we find that carriers are basically sitting ducks and its just to easy to swamp them from stand off range with missile strikes to the point they can't survive near enough a hostile target to deploy their fighters effectively. We mostly use them against non peers as mobile airbases which has been useful for the conflicts we have been doing.
    No need to suspect, the US tested it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
    A retired general destroyed a carrier group in a mock middle-east war game.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    Well technically I think we still have one or two in mothballs but highly unlikely to ever be reactivated and refurbished there just isn't any use for them any more.
    Not anymore, the Iowa was stricken in 2012. They should have been stricken in the 1980s, if not earlier, but they were part of Reagan's naval initiatives, so they stuck around a lot longer then they should have. Some members of congress were really hung up on using their guns for shore bombardment (Which they actually did as recently as Desert Storm), which is why they crammed that requirement into the Zumwalt destroyers to "Replace" a battleships capability. This went about as horribly as actually keeping battleships around.

    The most effective platforms in the Navy from a conventional warfare perspective are undoubtedly the SSNs (And SSGNs), which are tremendously powerful, and really hard to counter by anything. We have a lot of them, and they can pretty much lock down any ocean they want by themselves, while launching interdiction strikes on land targets with cruise missiles, and launching Special Forces raids with impunity. Battleships haven't had a primary conventional roles since WWI. Force Projection is the domain of the CVNs, the Nimitz/Gerald Ford class supercarriers. We send those somewhere when we want people to take notice. They are floating threats, while being more vulnerable and (Possibly) less capable then the SSNs. Battleships held this role into the late 1950s, when Supercarriers replaced them at it. Finally, there is the Amphibious support roles. Battleships excelled at this role through WWII, but there hasn't been much need for it since. The LHA type ships are the current kings of this space, which is why China is rushing to build as many as they can. While LHAs don't provide the same level of fire support, they are incredibly flexible, and are probably the most cost effective ships in any navy for their uses in peacetime and low intensity conflicts.

    In short, Battleships got replaced in all their roles, and they are stupidly expensive dinosaurs that cost nearly as much as supercarrier to operate, despite being much smaller and infinitely less useful.
    "We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine." DJT- Jan 22, 2020
    "And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done." DJT- Feb 26, 2020
    “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” DJT- Feb 27, 2020

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    Honestly in actual wartime situation of near peers I am not sure how survivable any naval ship is any more. I kind of suspect in a major conflict we find that carriers are basically sitting ducks and its just to easy to swamp them from stand off range with missile strikes to the point they can't survive near enough a hostile target to deploy their fighters effectively. We mostly use them against non peers as mobile airbases which has been useful for the conflicts we have been doing.
    Tom Clancy explored this in Red Storm Rising. An American air carrier group was decimated by long range Russian bombers because of missile strikes being able to overwhelm their defenses. Fiction, I know, but based on reality and real world weapons as of the time the book was written.

  12. #56932
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    No need to suspect, the US tested it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
    A retired general destroyed a carrier group in a mock middle-east war game.
    "After the war game was restarted, its participants were forced to follow a script drafted to ensure a Blue Force victory. Among other rules imposed by this script, Red Force was ordered to turn on their anti-aircraft radar in order for them to be destroyed, and was not allowed to shoot down any of the aircraft bringing Blue Force troops ashore.[3] Van Riper also claimed that exercise officials denied him the opportunity to use his own tactics and ideas against Blue Force, and that they also ordered Red Force not to use certain weapons systems against Blue Force and even ordered the location of Red Force units to be revealed.[4]"
    What the hell is the point of that war game if you script it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    No need to suspect, the US tested it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
    A retired general destroyed a carrier group in a mock middle-east war game.
    Having played in a lot of war games, I can assure you that is not a definitive answer. Major US maneuver units get crushed in those all the time, because a large part of the training value is snapping people out of a notion of invulnerability, and forcing them to deal with catastrophe. You don't really test a fleet command staff under pressure if everything goes well, but if you tell them they just lost a carrier and half their ships, you get to see them deal with some real stress. When I was playing, it was in Fort Irwin and Fort Polk, where major army formations routinely get wrecked by simulated "Third world" opponents. Of course the actual players against them are highly experienced US soldiers that are throwing all sorts of clever shit at you, and cheating as well. Nobody walks through those wargames unscathed, because that would be a waste of time and money. They aren't built to pad egos, they are designed to stress the systems and shake everyone up.

    Typically they reset after that and let you properly dominate the last day or two under more reasonable circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wikko View Post
    What the hell is the point of that war game if you script it?
    See above. The article is just raising false equivalences, all wargames are scripted, and red team cheats a lot more then blue team ever does. This is by design. Red team typically doesn't have to deal with any sort of casualty replacement, logistics, or material concerns, because they aren't being tested. So without restrictions, they just throw unlimited crap at you.
    "We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine." DJT- Jan 22, 2020
    "And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done." DJT- Feb 26, 2020
    “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” DJT- Feb 27, 2020

  14. #56934
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    No need to suspect, the US tested it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
    A retired general destroyed a carrier group in a mock middle-east war game.
    Well that area the carriers were in pretty tight sea area that attack boats and commercial drones could get to. In actual blue water most of the tactics of that exercise won't work. That said there is a reason china and russia have been concentrating on intermediate missile weapons. Counter the US superiority in naval and air forces with mass amounts of missiles to just swamp defenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Someone on Trump's twitter account
    According to press reports, Iran may be planning an assassination, or other attack, against the United States in retaliation for the killing of terrorist leader Soleimani, which was carried out for his planning a future attack, murdering U.S. Troops, and the death & suffering...
    ...caused over so many years. Any attack by Iran, in any form, against the United States will be met with an attack on Iran that will be 1,000 times greater in magnitude!
    Again, Trump (or Savino, more likely) is using nebulous threats about Iran to look tough. And I am sure our resident Trumpsters all got boners for it, and posted a dozen bald eagle memes on reddit in response. And yes, if Iran does attack us, of course I support a strong response, but lets look at the clusterfuck this post actually is.

    1) "According to press reports". Wait a minute... why the fuck is the President getting intel reports on potential Iranian attacks from the media? I could have sworn the government pays people to do pretty much exactly this. How many months has it been since this guy actually had an intel briefing?
    2) Lets look at the last time Iran retailiated for the same thing. They shot 22 ballistic missiles (Giant things the size of telephone poles, not those little rockets) at US bases. 110 US Service members were injured enough to get medical treatment. Donald Trump did absolutely nothing. He dismissed the attack as "Headaches", and didn't even really acknowledge that a nation launched an overt military attack on US Troops. This isn't Russian bounties, this is the Iranian military shooting actual Iranian made weapons at actual uniformed US Troops. And he did nothing.

    Any resident Trump supports want to weigh in on how tough Trump is again? Any of you confused about the difference between being tough on Twitter, and tough in reality?
    "We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine." DJT- Jan 22, 2020
    "And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done." DJT- Feb 26, 2020
    “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” DJT- Feb 27, 2020

  16. #56936
    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1305844978543988736

    omg, this is so dumb, I don't know what to say...
    "forest cities" in Europe, wtf... I live in a forest? I never knew
    Also "exploding trees" ...

  17. #56937
    https://www.axios.com/trump-mattis-b...79e4a0bab.html

    Uh...did Trump just call into Fox and Friends and say the only thing stopping him from having the leader of a country assassinated was Mattis? I mean, fuck Assad, if he eats a bullet I wouldn't be remotely sad but like...

    I feel like it's generally not common for presidents to brag about how they almost assassinated another head of state...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuyaki View Post
    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1305844978543988736

    omg, this is so dumb, I don't know what to say...
    "forest cities" in Europe, wtf... I live in a forest? I never knew
    Also "exploding trees" ...
    Exploding trees are a thing.

    But it has more to do with the sudden expansion of water in their system freezing when temperatures rapidly drop below freezing and less to do with forest fires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuyaki View Post
    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1305844978543988736

    omg, this is so dumb, I don't know what to say...
    "forest cities" in Europe, wtf... I live in a forest? I never knew
    Also "exploding trees" ...
    TIL Europe is Endor/Kashyyyk...despite at least the Endor scenes being shot in California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-wh...terectomies-11

    if this turns out to be true ( which almost every whistleblower does)
    im just going to call trump a nazi
    because thats literally some nazi eugenics shit
    but you know
    this is 100% what the "economically anxious" factory worker in ohio wanted, so it wont even cost him support
    That's pure evil, holy shit.
    I had become too accustomed to the pseudo-Left new style, whereby if your opponent thought he had identified your lowest possible motive, he was quite certain that he had isolated the only real one. This vulgar method, which is now the norm and the standard in much non-Left journalism as well, is designed to have the effect of making any noisy moron into a master analyst.
    - Christopher Hitchens

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