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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    My problem with people predicting civil war is that there is no basis and the people who are supposed to lead the civil war, are billionaire elite manipulating them for personal gain. The only civil war that’s coming, involves an Xbox X and a PS5... to put it in historic context... there has never been a civil war, while people fought over caviar or fabrige eggs.
    The modern American is way too fat, comfortable, on drugs or depressed to want to get into a civil war, you can barely motivate them to vote or exercise let alone pick up a weapon and play Rambo. Most people will just want any upheaval to be squashed so they can go back to their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    My problem with people predicting civil war is that there is no basis and the people who are supposed to lead the civil war, are billionaire elite manipulating them for personal gain. The only civil war that’s coming, involves an Xbox X and a PS5... to put it in historic context... there has never been a civil war, while people fought over caviar or fabrige eggs.
    ps5 already lost th3 holiday 2020-mid 2021 part of that, they apprently wont be able to make enough (plus the expected, and now confirmed lack of ps1-3 backwards compat)

    Edit:changed to "now" from "not"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    The modern American is way too fat, comfortable, on drugs or depressed to want to get into a civil war, you can barely motivate them to vote or exercise let alone pick up a weapon and play Rambo. Most people will just want any upheaval to be squashed so they can go back to their lives.
    wasnt there a report about 10 years ago about how the high rate of obesity was a threat to recruiting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    My problem with people predicting civil war is that there is no basis and the people who are supposed to lead the civil war, are billionaire elite manipulating them for personal gain. The only civil war that’s coming, involves an Xbox X and a PS5... to put it in historic context... there has never been a civil war, while people fought over caviar or fabrige eggs.
    You know.... you should consider the other civil war.

    That civil war was kicked off and supported by the wealthiest new aristocracy, who made their money from slavery. But the people who fought? Most of them were indeed poor white workers who frankly were already taken advantage of. Like the indentured workers who could never pay off their debts or kept losing their lands to slavers. The "yeoman" had nothing to gain from the civil war other than the pleasure of being a white person above a slave. That was it.

    Consider also how things got set up this way. The rebellion of 1676 had both blacks and whites working together. Whties who came over here as indentured servants and never got their 50 acres.At this point in history black and white relations were not entirely impossible as they were in a closer (though still not similar) place.

    Blacks at this time were not chattle and their children were free not unlike the indentured white workers flowing over from Europe.

    The thing is... the wealthiest changed things. Making blacks chattel, forever making blacks a class unquestionably below whites, even the poorest lowly white. The poorest lowly white used to be in a similar position.

    A poorly lowly white would come over here as an indentured worker, work to get their 50 acres, and then summarily be left hung out to dry. With their children being not indentured but now being forced into indentured work so they could keep surviving.

    A black slave at that time would have been kidnapped and brought over, and any child they had would have been free. However their children would have been forced into indentured servitude as they would have really had no other recourse.

    The 1676 rebellion and change from higher classes segmented the two groups further. Allowing the system of slavery to survive as now whites were further apart from the slaves. So then you got whites who were indentured workers, still not given what they were promised, still in a class far lower than their overlords. Fighting with their oppressors against the slaves because well at least i'm not a slave. Black people are slaves because that's what nature intended

    All this to say, in present day America, a civil war would be fought as it typically has been. With the wealthy using their idiot masses to quell others. Who would lead a civil war? Well... we have a lot of racist militas some who have orchestrated attacks thrwated by the FBI. We also have a shit ton of military personnel who are also in hate groups. We also have a shit ton of not just individual officers but entire departments that are part of hate groups or have connections to militias.

    These groups also are "authority types" and it seems to me that often enough the masses of white people in this country are fine with following/believing/giving the benefit of the doubt to those types of people. As they have been... in the past.

    Most every group don't have an overhwleming majority of their race voting Republicans. Only white voters do and continue to, even in this space, even now... the majority of white people will vote for Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    The modern American is way too fat, comfortable, on drugs or depressed to want to get into a civil war, you can barely motivate them to vote or exercise let alone pick up a weapon and play Rambo. Most people will just want any upheaval to be squashed so they can go back to their lives.
    You can’t have a civil war, at a time when 2 600$ toys, got sold out in minutes and anticipate scalper prices in 4 figures. Shit guys... you know what’s worse for the economy, than acting on a virus killing 200000? A civil war that destabilizes the whole country... Trump and his admin goal is to make money, were the civil war implications is really cool to embolden your support, but that’s as far as he has intentions of going. Trump’s ideological views are bound to his wallet... and a civil war is only good, to those who sell the munition.

    The ones involving Russia and China are simply the most outrageous. If US falls to a civil war, there is no more US... there is no more dominant economy chocking Russia and inhibiting China. The civil war would have have Russia and China point at US as a sign of democracy failing, while replacing us in every trade and global initiative. A civil war in US is the best thing that can happen for... well... everyone who can’t compete with our economic and military dominance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    You know.... you should consider the other civil war.
    I’m being generic, so including them all.

    That civil war was kicked off and supported by the wealthiest new aristocracy, who made their money from slavery. But the people who fought? Most of them were indeed poor white workers who frankly were already taken advantage of. Like the indentured workers who could never pay off their debts or kept losing their lands to slavers. The "yeoman" had nothing to gain from the civil war other than the pleasure of being a white person above a slave. That was it.
    I’m not talking about gaining, I’m talking about keeping. Were the yeoman spending obscene amount of money on toys?

    Consider also how things got set up this way. The rebellion of 1676 had both blacks and whites working together. Whties who came over here as indentured servants and never got their 50 acres.At this point in history black and white relations were not entirely impossible as they were in a closer (though still not similar) place.
    I’m sure people spending shit tons on unnecessary shit, includes all races. Do you think the new Zalda sequel will ship on time, during a civil war, or will I have to import?

    The thing is... the wealthiest changed things. Making blacks chattel, forever making blacks a class unquestionably below whites, even the poorest lowly white. The poorest lowly white used to be in a similar position.
    I’ll quote John Lennon’s Working Class Hero for this one...

    Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
    And you think you're so clever and classless and free
    But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see


    A poorly lowly white would come over here as an indentured worker, work to get their 50 acres, and then summarily be left hung out to dry. With their children being not indentured but now being forced into indentured work so they could keep surviving.
    It’s a cause, when you have relatively nothing.

    Edit: Just figured out the conflict... by talking about gaining, you are pointing at progressive nature, while by pointing at keeping, I’m pointing at conservative nature. US is not at a point where people will fight to gain, instead of defend to keep. The 3% bullshit, is... well... bullshit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    ps5 already lost th3 holiday 2020-mid 2021 part of that, they apprently wont be able to make enough (plus the expected, and not confirmed lack of ps1-3 backwards compat)
    You think I don’t know this! You think I’m one of the assholes that checked a day before the Sony announcement and acting as the happy Felya with his preorder ready to go? No! lol!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zython View Post
    Someone’s been on a Mel Brooks kick.
    "Donald, you have surrounded your given name with a foul stench! From this day forth, all the toilets in the kingdom shall be known as... trumps!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayvio View Post
    and I hope they don't bother waiting until they die to do it
    Could make it a three for one if Barr kicks the bucket at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Is anyone shocked? I'm shocked. Super shocked. 100% Pikachu level of shock.

    /s
    This has 3 takes. Either he thinks he can contest the elections and eke out a 2nd term via ratfuckery, he's being pressed by the GOP to ram it through because they're convinced they're fucked in 2020, or he's too stupid to think ahead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    This has 3 takes. Either he thinks he can contest the elections and eke out a 2nd term via ratfuckery, he's being pressed by the GOP to ram it through because they're convinced they're fucked in 2020, or he's too stupid to think ahead.
    Somehow I think he will manage all three at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    wasnt there a report about 10 years ago about how the high rate of obesity was a threat to recruiting
    Yes it's also one of the reasons for the down ward trend of our lifespan in the US and that was before a pandemic running wild and people celebrating gaining 15lbs on average because of quarantine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    You can’t have a civil war, at a time when 2 600$ toys, got sold out in minutes and anticipate scalper prices in 4 figures. Shit guys... you know what’s worse for the economy, than acting on a virus killing 200000? A civil war that destabilizes the whole country... Trump and his admin goal is to make money, were the civil war implications is really cool to embolden your support, but that’s as far as he has intentions of going. Trump’s ideological views are bound to his wallet... and a civil war is only good, to those who sell the munition.

    The ones involving Russia and China are simply the most outrageous. If US falls to a civil war, there is no more US... there is no more dominant economy chocking Russia and inhibiting China. The civil war would have have Russia and China point at US as a sign of democracy failing, while replacing us in every trade and global initiative. A civil war in US is the best thing that can happen for... well... everyone who can’t compete with our economic and military dominance.
    Trump can only think one second at a time barely if he was the type of plan ahead he wouldn't have declared bankruptcy so many times and faking being a billionaire. The man can blindly walk us into anything but the American public is far too comfortable for a civil war. At the moment Trump's only concern is winning the elections by any means necessary the side effects he doesn't care about so more than ever a lot is ridding on this election.

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    Eating lunch with some co-workers the other day. One of my co-workers made a comment about how the NFL players are supporting a rapist and it's a shame. Without missing a beat, I quipped, the NFL players don't support Trump. She stared daggers through me. One of my other co-workers who is liberal-leaning almost spit his soup over the table. To hell with ya, ya bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    You can’t have a civil war, at a time when 2 600$ toys, got sold out in minutes and anticipate scalper prices in 4 figures. Shit guys... you know what’s worse for the economy, than acting on a virus killing 200000? A civil war that destabilizes the whole country... Trump and his admin goal is to make money, were the civil war implications is really cool to embolden your support, but that’s as far as he has intentions of going. Trump’s ideological views are bound to his wallet... and a civil war is only good, to those who sell the munition.

    The ones involving Russia and China are simply the most outrageous. If US falls to a civil war, there is no more US... there is no more dominant economy chocking Russia and inhibiting China. The civil war would have have Russia and China point at US as a sign of democracy failing, while replacing us in every trade and global initiative. A civil war in US is the best thing that can happen for... well... everyone who can’t compete with our economic and military dominance.

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    I’m being generic, so including them all.



    I’m not talking about gaining, I’m talking about keeping. Were the yeoman spending obscene amount of money on toys?



    I’m sure people spending shit tons on unnecessary shit, includes all races. Do you think the new Zalda sequel will ship on time, during a civil war, or will I have to import?



    I’ll quote John Lennon’s Working Class Hero for this one...

    Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
    And you think you're so clever and classless and free
    But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see




    It’s a cause, when you have relatively nothing.

    Edit: Just figured out the conflict... by talking about gaining, you are pointing at progressive nature, while by pointing at keeping, I’m pointing at conservative nature. US is not at a point where people will fight to gain, instead of defend to keep. The 3% bullshit, is... well... bullshit...

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    You think I don’t know this! You think I’m one of the assholes that checked a day before the Sony announcement and acting as the happy Felya with his preorder ready to go? No! lol!!!!
    The idea of a modern civil war isn't about gaining though. It is about maintaining the current system. While the white rebels joined with slaves to get their comeuppance it was about attaing what was fair for them. But we've moved on from that.

    The next slew of issues came from not wanting to gain, but wealthy whites wanting to maintain their status by misleading and duping the poor whites against the blacks and native Americans. Which is exactly the situation we're in today.

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    I'm going to be taking a step away from the Politics forum for a while because the news yesterday ended up being the final straw for me. It's not good for my mental health and that is directly affecting my physical health making my physical therapy more difficult than it should be.

    We cannot rely on any of the GOP who said they would not vote in a new Justice--Lady G just said he'll be backing Trump's play and he's the head of the SJC. We can't rely on the likes of Roberts to help keep things "fair" in the SCOTUS once the new heavily biased Justice is sworn in. All we can do is help ensure that Biden wins in November and the Democrats flip the Senate (a long shot, but possible) in order to minimize the damage. I keep seeing people say that "it doesn't matter" if Trump or Biden wins now and that's complete nonsense. If Trump wins he'll be able to push ANYTHING through and the new SCOTUS will strike down any attempt to mitigate it. If Biden wins the worst that will happen is his policies are consistently challenged--which is bad, but it won't make things WORSE.

    Fight your way through the MAGA mobs on your way to the polls if you must. Vote early where you can, hand-deliver absentee ballots when you can. This is surely the single most important election in our time and we can't let them fuck us over or bully us out of our vote. It won't be "civil war" if they steal the election this year as Kookoo keeps trying to say, but rest assured the people who have been screwed by this admin have been tolerant for longer than anyone could reasonably ask and if Trump is given another four years it WILL start pushing people over the edge. We see that today with some asshole sending ricin to the White House. It's INSTANTLY ammunition for the right to demonize the entire left (nevermind that they didn't have one negative word to say about the MAGAbomber) and it will get worse the longer this goes on.

    I'll still pop in to do my daily COVID-19 wrap-ups and answer PMs and replies, but for a few weeks at least I need to focus on getting my body back in working condition. It may become more of a necessity than I realized in November.

    Keep fighting, folks.

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    Well, I have the misfortune of Trump landing off a plane just a few minutes from my house today for a rally. So the airport will be crowded with a bunch of idiots, racists, and religious zealots.

    One of my Trump supporting friends who literally told that "Science goes against god" when it came to trying to support Donald Trump is going. He is also one of the ones who kept talking about supporting children to turn the subject away from Floyd but didn't want to talk about the 13 year old Epstein victim who accused him of being one of her rapists.

    And hit the Walmart just at the end of the road from the Airport off the highway, had one of the cashiers tell me one of them already came in calling people the N-Word. Sorry, not sure if I could actually spell it out without being infracted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Well, I have the misfortune of Trump landing off a plane just a few minutes from my house today for a rally. So the airport will be crowded with a bunch of idiots, racists, and religious zealots.

    One of my Trump supporting friends who literally told that "Science goes against god" when it came to trying to support Donald Trump is going. He is also one of the ones who kept talking about supporting children to turn the subject away from Floyd but didn't want to talk about the 13 year old Epstein victim who accused him of being one of her rapists.

    And hit the Walmart just at the end of the road from the Airport off the highway, had one of the cashiers tell me one of them already came in calling people the N-Word. Sorry, not sure if I could actually spell it out without being infracted.
    I really do not know how anyone can say 'science goes against god' and then support someone that flies on an airplane. I mean... that's science in action, right there.
    And just as all the other examples you listed it's somehow... severe cognitive dissonance with just about everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Well, I have the misfortune of Trump landing off a plane just a few minutes from my house today for a rally. So the airport will be crowded with a bunch of idiots, racists, and religious zealots.

    One of my Trump supporting friends who literally told that "Science goes against god" when it came to trying to support Donald Trump is going. He is also one of the ones who kept talking about supporting children to turn the subject away from Floyd but didn't want to talk about the 13 year old Epstein victim who accused him of being one of her rapists.

    And hit the Walmart just at the end of the road from the Airport off the highway, had one of the cashiers tell me one of them already came in calling people the N-Word. Sorry, not sure if I could actually spell it out without being infracted.
    Sorry, but cut those imbeciles from your life.

    PS: If science is against god, question the existence of your so called god, not science
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    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    Eating lunch with some co-workers the other day. One of my co-workers made a comment about how the NFL players are supporting a rapist and it's a shame. Without missing a beat, I quipped, the NFL players don't support Trump. She stared daggers through me. One of my other co-workers who is liberal-leaning almost spit his soup over the table. To hell with ya, ya bitch.
    Now that is funny.

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    so best case scenario is amy coney barret
    while she is right wing, she seems to be classic right wing, scalia was atleasst principled in his anti government originalism and voted in favor of things like muslim rights and free speech alongside helping corporations do whatever they want,

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    42,533 new cases, about the same as two weeks ago.

    California: 3,712 new cases; 75 deaths
    Fuck Florida.
    Texas: 3,178 new cases; 94 deaths
    Illinois: 2,529 new cases; 25 deaths
    Georgia: 2,284 new cases; 62 deaths
    Wisconsin: 2,283 new cases; 3 deaths
    Alabama: 1,301 new cases; 9 deaths
    Oklahoma: 1,237 new cases; 4 deaths
    North Carolina: 1,229 new cases; 28 deaths
    Arkansas: 1,078 new cases; 8 deaths
    Utah: 1,077 new cases; 3 deaths
    Indiana: 1,076 new cases; 8 deaths
    New York: 1,033 new cases; 2 deaths

    This was Wisconsin's and Utah's second-highest total and their Active Cases charts have taken a damned-near vertical leap the past couple days. The Midwest spike continues. Oklahoma's cases have increased to the levels they were at the beginning of August. New York went above 1k again but they've been hovering in the area for weeks. So far they seem to be holding relatively steady--but then, they have ample experience in dealing with this.

    657 deaths, a little down from two weeks ago, putting the total at 203,824. Deaths SHOULD be coming down since we haven't been at the 60k levels of new cases in several weeks, but daily new cases averaged over the past few weeks has been relatively stable so they likely won't be declining too much further, probably averaging out at around 700-800 per day unless newer methods of treatment are effective.

    I know we all got a huge helping of our least favorite vegetable on our plates yesterday, but there's not enough mashed potatoes to hide it all and there are other courses being served simultaneously so we're going to have to suck it up and eat it for now until we can cook for ourselves.



    I'm sorry, I haven't eaten much today. I should go remedy that.

    Stay safe, folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    Sorry, but cut those imbeciles from your life.

    PS: If science is against god, question the existence of your so called god, not science
    Some of them are family or people I have to deal with regularly.

    He kinda tried to pivot a little bit when I pointed out that modern medicine was based on science and there are a lot of religious diabetics who would have an issue with that. Unless he wanted to say them being alive was against gods will.

    Also pointed out that if god does exist, then one of his greatest gifts to mankind would have to be our intelligence and without that even our free will is all but useless and that he is forsaking that gift to back everything his own god preached him to stand against and by doing so putting god to the test hoping he will bail his kids out from the consequences of his actions all so he can protect his own ego and committing the sin of pride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Some of them are family or people I have to deal with regularly.

    He kinda tried to pivot a little bit when I pointed out that modern medicine was based on science and there are a lot of religious diabetics who would have an issue with that. Unless he wanted to say them being alive was against gods will.

    Also pointed out that if god does exist, then one of his greatest gifts to mankind would have to be our intelligence and without that even our free will is all but useless and that he is forsaking that gift to back everything his own god preached him to stand against and by doing so putting god to the test hoping he will bail his kids out from the consequences of his actions all so he can protect his own ego and committing the sin of pride.
    Which, by the way, is the evilest sin.
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