1. #57621
    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    I mean, he did pass the biggest chunk of civil rights legislation since the reconstruction era. I dont think he did it for the goodness of his heart, but his actions were effing solid.
    Wanting credit for a policy that his party prevented from achieving isn't really a selling argument on why you should get any credit.

  2. #57622
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    The only thing to be gained by having other nations "condemn" Trump would be to directly feed into his "America first, the UN is evil, I alone know what's best for the world and I'm strong enough to stand up to all of them and if you don't elect me the UN death panels will steal your guns and make refugees live in your house" narrative Trump is desperately trying to create.


    The solution to these Trump problems very much begin with removing Trump. I have no doubts Biden is perfectly capable of competently interfacing with the geopolitical world.
    Oh, I don't doubt Biden will be better than Trump. The syphilitic scrotum of a goat as president would be better than Trump and would be less of a national embarrassment.

    I don't mean them condemning Trump directly, that would feed into their victim complex. I mean for them to turn on us and actually state concrete reasons for it that track straight back to his policies.

    If they named Trump as the reason directly, then yeah. If they mentioned how we don't keep our end of international agreements anymore or we aren't trustworthy when we abandon our own allies to die or we are a health risk to their nations because we don't follow the advice of experts and other such things, they have no way to really dismiss that. They just have to be vocal as hell out it to the point every news outlet can pick it up and so on. THAT would have an impact.
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  3. #57623
    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    LBJ, racist LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON, did more for the black community than Donald Trump.
    Yes. I wanted to keep it short but freeing African Americans was the tip. Giving them rights as US citizens was much more of a larger step. Trying not to go too deep again, but you can free them and if they are 2nd or likely 3rd class citizens it is a miserable place to live. Yes, people not trying to make a comparison that it's worse than slavery.
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  4. #57624
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    sip.
    The political leanings of the individual soldier/officer don't account for much within the overall culture of an institution like the military itself.

    The military has no mechanism/process to deal with something like a stolen election legitimized by a partisan SCOTUS.

    In the ensuing civil unrest they can still be used to suppress protests (as we have seen recently in Lafayette Square, or more historically the Kent State Shootings). And as soon as protesters use force to resist then the whole thing becomes an automatic response.

    We know that the soldiers at Lafayette Square wildly disagreed with the orders they were receiving. Yet.... Here we are.

    And we know from Kent State how easily things can escalate once you use armed soldiers to suppress protests.

    There are plenty of other international examples for similar things, but I stuck the US ones, but there's something worth mentioning.

    You know where else were people confident in the moral backbone of the military as an institution and its ability to resist extremists?

    Weimar Germany circa 1930.
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    It doesnt destroy the land to bury styrofoam 25 feet below the ground
    Today Obama once again kneeled at the altar of environmental naziism and hurt this once great country. He has now banned all drilling in the Atlantic Ocean

  5. #57625
    Trump when asked if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses: "We're gonna have to see what happens."

    Trump when pressed again to answer: "Get rid of the ballots, we'll have a very peaceful transfer."

    A disqualifying statement.


    Holy Shit!

    He is speaking as President of literally getting rid of ballots. Now this dude is such a simple moron that you could take it as every ballot that doesn't vote for him. I believe he is talking about all mail-in ballots, which HOLY SHIT this is going to be many votes since the COVID pandemic.

    This is real people!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Pretty much. I hate to say it, but the best option at this point would be for them to collectively turn on us and isolate us and actually be vocal enough to make it known but it is because of Trump and the Republican party and make sure it hurts us. That's about the only way his voters would actually even remotely get a clue and sad thing is, even then it is really too late for that, they would have needed to do it 6 months ago and made sure we collectively felt the sting as a nation to the point that not even the GoP could pretend a blind eye to it.
    Cut federal funding... Coastal cities need to stop contributing to federal government, until we get a president that doesn’t treat his own country as the enemy. If we are going to be shit on, so GOP can cling to swing states votes, it’s time to lock it down... maybe get a ‘thank you’ before we turn the money back on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    You are assuming both sides are as committed to and as capable of long term sustained violence.

    They are not. Right wingers in America are much more willing and prepared to act violently.

    Furthermore, there's a major distinction between civilians and the state security apparatus.

    In the US the state security apparatus is wildly right leaning. This from local police departments to federal law enforcement, to intelligence services all the way to the military.

    Additionally in the US the military is culturally very Southern, much of the US military infrastructure is concentrated in Southern/Midwest states. The economic weight of blue states/cities is meaningless when the state security apparatus meant to defend it is solidly red.

    Everyone who ever fantasized about the US military or the FBI dragging Trump out of The White House has been deluding themselves with fantasies about a military/law enforcement that only exists in Hollywood fiction.

    In a fascists state the entire American state security apparatus will go "We're just obeying orders" so fast that it will give everyone whiplash.
    This is a bad take in the current political environment.

    The U.S. military hates Trump and has no interest in joining in on his power grab.
    The FBI and CIA have been fucked over so many times by him, they'd be reluctant to join in.

    I think that all 3 of these parties would simply say "not our problem" and stay neutral. They have nothing to gain from the U.S. being a fascist state.

    You're left with the police, a few agencies like ICE and wingnuts.

    That's not a whole lot of people. They shipped in groups of agents from all over the country to Portland, and still couldn't put the protests down. What hope, exactly, would they have against every other major city?

    You're vastly overestimating the support this shit has here. Just because they're loud and annoying doesn't mean there's a lot.

    Look at the Women's March after the 2016 election vs the Charlottesville rally. A spontaneous protest drew in hundreds of thousands from the immediate surrounding area, while a planned Nazi rally drew in a couple hundred from all over the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Sad thing is I know my brother in law is one of them that would try. He is basically the living example of how a good soldier doesn't mean you are a good leader.

    He is willing to fight anyone and everyone doesn't matter if it is armed or unarmed. But he would rather eat a bullet himself than dare question his beliefs or educate himself on anything that would force him to question them. I would be willing to fight and die on the hill but too scared to question why he is on that hill to begin with or whether he is fighting on a hill that endangers what he is supposed to care about. And yes, he is in Florida so he fits in rather well down there.

    Even his own kids know that his stances are crazy. Had my niece who lives up here just today ask me about politics because he had told her that if Biden got elected Americans would have to get in line at food drives to eat. She knows he isn't educated and can't admit when he is wrong. Had to tell her that isn't going to happen and is more likely under Trump at this point and that political advise from him is about as good as advice on smoking weed is from me (A non-smoker).
    Oh no, yeah, I'm not saying there won't be any right-wing terrorism. That's been an ongoing issue already. Thankfully for us, they're not the brightest bulbs in the box and have an equal chance of shooting themselves in the dick than us.

    I'm saying that anything on the scale of the American Civil War is absolute lunacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    In some states the state legislature have the option to take back their right to pick the electors. Most of the battleground states have republican state legislatures due to 2010 jerrymandering. I think if that happens though the union will become irreperably broken and I am not sure what the way forward after that is.
    What we need is for each state to have its own electoral college for the same reason we have a national one. To keep the one large city in each state from dictating policy for the other 97% of the state. Look at New York. You have far left liberal New York City, and then you have the rest of New York which is rural farmlands. Whats good for the city isnt good for the countryside. Same with my state of Pa. We got Liberal far left Philadelphia, and then the rest of the state with a small pocket of liberals in state college (where Penn State University is located). We need to take away the power of the big city and give it to the rest of the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    What we need is for each state to have its own electoral college for the same reason we have a national one. To keep the one large city in each state from dictating policy for the other 97% of the state. Look at New York. You have far left liberal New York City, and then you have the rest of New York which is rural farmlands. Whats good for the city isnt good for the countryside. Same with my state of Pa. We got Liberal far left Philadelphia, and then the rest of the state with a small pocket of liberals in state college (where Penn State University is located). We need to take away the power of the big city and give it to the rest of the state.
    You mean "We need to take what little democracy the US has left out back and beat it to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    What we need is for each state to have its own electoral college for the same reason we have a national one. To keep the one large city in each state from dictating policy for the other 97% of the state. Look at New York. You have far left liberal New York City, and then you have the rest of New York which is rural farmlands. Whats good for the city isnt good for the countryside. Same with my state of Pa. We got Liberal far left Philadelphia, and then the rest of the state with a small pocket of liberals in state college (where Penn State University is located). We need to take away the power of the big city and give it to the rest of the state.
    Nawh, I'd rather have cities be in charge. Unlike countryside small towns and farmers, at least cities have the smarts and productivity to not need to be constantly bailed out.

    I'm not sure we should be taking political advice from the person who dries with a welding mask either.

  11. #57631
    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    What we need is for each state to have its own electoral college for the same reason we have a national one. To keep the one large city in each state from dictating policy for the other 97% of the state. Look at New York. You have far left liberal New York City, and then you have the rest of New York which is rural farmlands. Whats good for the city isnt good for the countryside. Same with my state of Pa. We got Liberal far left Philadelphia, and then the rest of the state with a small pocket of liberals in state college (where Penn State University is located). We need to take away the power of the big city and give it to the rest of the state.
    Countrysides and cities aren't voting entities.

    People are.

    You are trying to give more power to certain people for literally no reason. What you anti American Trump supporters are arguing is that democracy is shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Countrysides and cities aren't voting entities.

    People are.

    You are trying to give more power to certain people for literally no reason. What you anti American Trump supporters are arguing is that democracy is shit.
    It's the pretty typical "make land vote" where population density isn't a thing.


    It's the same tired argument they trod out when should an electoral map that's 70% red, not counting that 70% of that red has more sasquatch and loch ness monsters than people living there, and you have to drive 3 hours between houses.

  13. #57633
    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    To keep the one large city in each state from dictating policy for the other 97% of the state.
    4 years later, and you're still here doubling down on this horseshit?

    Maybe one day you'll figure out that the reason those places have more votes is because they have more voters. One day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    What we need is for each state to have its own electoral college for the same reason we have a national one. To keep the one large city in each state from dictating policy for the other 97% of the state. Look at New York. You have far left liberal New York City, and then you have the rest of New York which is rural farmlands. Whats good for the city isnt good for the countryside. Same with my state of Pa. We got Liberal far left Philadelphia, and then the rest of the state with a small pocket of liberals in state college (where Penn State University is located). We need to take away the power of the big city and give it to the rest of the state.
    Wait....if 97% of the state live outside of a city how exactly is that one city dictating the rest of the state?

    You literally just said the minority are dictating the rest and then go on to state that you actually want the minority to do that. Do have that right? You hate it and then call for it? Are....are you doing whippets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    4 years later, and you're still here doubling down on this horseshit?

    Maybe one day you'll figure out that the reason those places have more votes is because they have more voters. One day.
    Except those voters vote for people who are concerned with bullshit like public transportation, bicycle lanes, public housing, beautifying and maintaining unnecessary city parks (like central park, which should be paved over and made into the worlds largest parking lot so people who do go to and live in the city have somewhere to park. It could make money instead of cost money to maintain), etc... and people who dont live in the one big city doesnt give a shit about that kind of crap and doesnt have any need for it, and will never use it, yet things they do need never get any of the tax money that they pay in, and they are stuck driving on pothole ridden roads, or dirt roads, last roads to get plowed if they get plowed at all when it snows. There are never any police presence so everyone drives like maniacs knowing they will never get a ticket and so on
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    Except those voters vote for people who are concerned with bullshit like public transportation, bicycle lanes, public housing, beautifying and maintaining unnecessary city parks (like central park, which should be paved over and made into the worlds largest parking lot so people who do go to and live in the city have somewhere to park. It could make money instead of cost money to maintain), etc... and people who dont live in the one big city doesnt give a shit about that kind of crap and doesnt have any need for it, and will never use it, yet things they do need never get any of the tax money that they pay in, and they are stuck driving on pothole ridden roads, or dirt roads, last roads to get plowed if they get plowed at all when it snows. There are never any police presence so everyone drives like maniacs knowing they will never get a ticket and so on
    Don't live in the fucking boondocks then?

    Like, why whine if you can't get high speed cabling laid out to your farm in the middle of nowhere when they can lay the same amount of cable and it can be used to provide high speed internet to 1000 households.

    This is the free market model that conservatives are supposed to love so much.

    They can hire 10 police for a district with 20000 people or they can hire 10 police for a district with 100 people who live 3 miles apart. Why? It doesn't make good business sense to waste tax dollars in that manner.

    What you're arguing for is to be your own special snowflake and get all the services / perks of living in an actual population center but none of the downsides of living in an actual population center.

    You choose to live out there. You don't like it, move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    ...bullshit like public transportation .... (like central park, which should be paved over and made into the worlds largest parking lot so people who do go to and live in the city have somewhere to park. ...
    Wouldn't the first alleviate the second?

    Also, imagine thinking that medicare/medicaid dependent, USPS reliant, government subsidized farm owning rural taxpayers are paying out more than they receive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    Except those voters vote for people who are concerned with bullshit like public transportation, bicycle lanes, public housing, beautifying and maintaining unnecessary city parks (like central park, which should be paved over and made into the worlds largest parking lot so people who do go to and live in the city have somewhere to park. It could make money instead of cost money to maintain), etc... and people who dont live in the one big city doesnt give a shit about that kind of crap and doesnt have any need for it, and will never use it, yet things they do need never get any of the tax money that they pay in, and they are stuck driving on pothole ridden roads, or dirt roads, last roads to get plowed if they get plowed at all when it snows. There are never any police presence so everyone drives like maniacs knowing they will never get a ticket and so on
    Uhm... NY pays a lot more into federal coffers than it gets back. If NY used that money on them selfs, instead of it being used to prop up failing swing states, NY would be paradise. It would have infinite parking lots and an even bigger Central Park.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Trump when asked if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses: "We're gonna have to see what happens."

    Trump when pressed again to answer: "Get rid of the ballots, we'll have a very peaceful transfer."

    A disqualifying statement.


    Holy Shit!

    He is speaking as President of literally getting rid of ballots. Now this dude is such a simple moron that you could take it as every ballot that doesn't vote for him. I believe he is talking about all mail-in ballots, which HOLY SHIT this is going to be many votes since the COVID pandemic.

    This is real people!
    Of course. Getting rid of as many mail-in votes as possible is his safest way to "win" the election. To quote 538:

    In the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll overall, Biden led Trump by 9 percentage points among registered voters. But Biden led Trump by 63 points (!) among voters who planned to vote by mail, and Trump led Biden by 33 points among voters who planned to vote in person on Election Day. If this kind of partisan split occurred in every state, Biden would win the mail vote in all 50 states — from Alabama to Wyoming — and Trump would win the Election Day vote in all 50.
    To put it another way, getting rid of ~15-20% of mail-in ballots would easily be enough for Trump, even with current polling numbers (7-8% behind Biden). A lot less would be needed, if the uncounted mail-in ballots are concentrated in swing states. How confident are you in the ability of the USPS (in its current state) to deliver 90+% of all mail-in ballots in time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Wouldn't the first alleviate the second?

    Also, imagine thinking that medicare/medicaid dependent, USPS reliant, government subsidized farm owning rural taxpayers are paying out more than they receive.
    It’s why the military and elderly are the largest group shift to Biden from Trump. While he bitches about schools in NY, Trump pulling money from military to build a wall, shut down schools at Joint Base Lewis–McChord. How elderly, don’t like being sacrificed for Trump’s economy... just like military doesn’t like having their kid education sacrificed, for a Trump wall.
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