Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Kaleredar]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1314556233408565249?s=19

Cmon Nancy! Stop doing this stupid shit. Yes it would get blocked but this could possibly backfire in a disastrous way. The both sides of a partisan Congress doing this against any President and that party getting backlash for really trying to take out a President.

I think she’s attempting to “seed” the notion of Trump being too sick to serve. But I agree it’s a bit of a dramatic step. Biden (and the Democratic Party) doesn’t need to be pitching flare or governmental upset at this point. He just needs to maintain the image of a level-headed, competent diplomat in stark contrast to the trump shitshow

[solinari6]

I think she’s attempting to “seed” the notion of Trump being too sick to serve.

She's just poking the bear to try to get him to act even crazier. Seems to be working.

[Antiganon]

She isn't creating anything new. It's all outlined in the 25th amendment:

I read that as "Congress may establish a commission to determine whether the 25th should be invoked" not "Congress itself may choose to invoke the 25th".

The power of the Presidency is meant to be contained within the Executive Branch, not the Legislative. The 25th is meant to provide a means for the Executive Branch to check itself against failures of the President (the individual), so that the office of the Presidency can still be carried out effectively.

I view the 25th (well this provision, not the "President is in a coma" provision) as the Executive Branch version of the House calling a no-contest vote and electing a new speaker.

This is one of those things where I expect the Democrats would enact it, use it solely for removing people who are incapacitated for health reasons and actually unable to do the job of President, and the next time congress swings to the GOP with a Democrat in the white house, the GOP will call the President a Socialist, claim that Socialism is fundamentally incompatible with the ability to perform the duties of the President, and they would use it on the President, VP, and we would have their hand-picked Speaker of the House as the new President, electoral will of the people be damned.

[Felya]

I think she’s attempting to “seed” the notion of Trump being too sick to serve.

“Brainworms” or “earworms”, are called conditioning, outside of music context.

[solinari6]

I read that as "Congress may establish a commission to determine whether the 25th should be invoked" not "Congress itself may choose to invoke the 25th".

They talked about this on CNN last night, and it didn't sound like that. But either way, it requires the Vice President to be on board, so it's a non-starter. But it does bring up the issue that needs to be talked about: Are these steroids and COVID side effects incapacitating Trump enough that he shouldn't be making decisions? He certainly sounds nutty in his interviews.

[Belize]

He certainly sounds nutty in his interviews.

Are you saying thw Virginia governor isn't personally executing babies after they're born?

[Benggaul]

Newman has a few words for Trump...



Pretty sure it's too late to have any real impact before the election but I found it pretty funny anyway.

[Adam Jensen]

I really hope that by November 4th we can go back to ignoring everything Trump says.

[DingDongKing]

I really hope that by November 4th we can go back to ignoring everything Trump says.

You know he's going to be even worse and more obnoxious if he loses. And in fact the media will happily cover him even more then, because the country won't necessarily be at risk if he isn't in charge. That pandora's box has been opened now and can't be shut so easily.

[akris15]

She's just poking the bear to try to get him to act even crazier. Seems to be working.

Don't need to poke the bear when its already rabid.

Still I personally think the 25th should be relooked at when the crazies are removed. There is extremely rare, but possible considering we had people actually planning to kidnap a leader of the state and overthrown the government, that the executive branch can be "coup" if the legislative branch is "friendly" to the aggressors. If you don't like the current President/Vice-President and you feel like the party in power in Congress would be better for your personal agenda and kill the president/VP it would change the political party in charge before it goes to the President's cabinet.

Extremely unlikely I know someone who told me of this "dream" about Obama a few years ago

[DingDongKing]

Sounds like bad news for.... President Biden?

He's being funny. It's alright. It's like the time he told Sarah Huckabee to take one for the team. That cracked me up.

[Jotaux]

Sounds like bad news for.... President Biden?

Maybe in his drug induced delirium, he's accepted Biden as the next president.

[TigTone]

I really hope that by November 4th we can go back to ignoring everything Trump says.

I bet he’s going to do what he really wanted to do before he won.

Start a shit news network and sell tons of merch to his cult.

[AntiFascistVoter]

I really hope that by November 4th we can go back to ignoring everything Trump says.

It's going to be about 90 days of hell between then and Jan. 20.

[DingDongKing]

Good point. I forgot Trump was all jokes.

Hehe. You have to give him credit where credit is due. Pity he didn't just stick to being funny.

[Breccia]

I really hope that by November 4th we can go back to ignoring everything Trump says.

Nope.

"Not guilty".

[Breccia]

Sounds like bad news

Um, wasn't "Sleepy Joe" the one who kicked Trump's ass so hard, he went to the hospital for a week?

[Edge-]

This Rush Limbaugh thing with Trump is juuuust a bit much....

I forgot how sycophantic people could be.

Trump is saying they have a cure, ffs.

Fucking hell this is dangerous and irresponsible.

I hope when the steroid high wears off he crashes hard. Like, craters in spectacularly fashion. And is deeply, truly, soul-crushingly miserable as a result. He's giving false hope and putting the people who listen to him at risk. This is dangerous bullshit, and I can't believe it's happening.

Fuck, him being on a ventilator and unable to speak or tweet would be the best thing for the country right now. Pass the authority to Pence.

[Breccia]

Cruz eyes the exits.

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) on Friday warned Republicans the party could face a “bloodbath” in November if voters aren’t feeling optimistic about the economy and the direction of the pandemic.

Speaking on CNBC’s “Squawk Box,” Cruz said the presidential election is extremely "volatile" and that President Trump could still get reelected by a “big margin” if voters feel like the U.S. is recovering from the pandemic-induced economic shutdown.

But he warned the party could also face landslide losses similar to what happened in 1976, when Jimmy Carter won the White House in the first election following the Watergate scandal and Richard Nixon’s resignation.

“I am worried. It’s volatile, it’s highly volatile ... if people are going back to work, if they’re optimistic, if they’re positive about the future, we could see a fantastic election — the president getting reelected with a big margin, Republicans winning both Houses of Congress and I think that’s a real possibility,” Cruz said.

“But I also think if on Election Day people are angry and they’ve given up hope and they’re depressed, which is what [Speaker Nancy] Pelosi and [Senate Minority Leader Charles] Schumer want them to be, I think it could be a terrible election. I think we could lose the White House and both houses of Congress, that it could be a bloodbath of Watergate proportions.”

So what realistic news could happen in a month, on the economy and COVID-19? Leaving out things Trump just makes up, of course.

We won't see another job report. Unemployment is 8% until people finish voting.

Deaths are projected to increase. @Benggaul keeps posting numbers flirting with 1,000.

People have responded in poll after poll they don't trust a vaccine that's rushed for political gain, so even if one mysteriously appears from thin air, most people won't take it.

EU is having its second wave, too, so it's not just US.

The GDP forecast for Q3 has improved to "almost as much as Q2 dropped". Did it go up? Yes. Is it growth? No. It's a partial recovery.

The continuing resolution puts the budget battle past the election.

McConnell is back in the cross hairs, voluntarily saying there would be no deal, and saying "Because the Democrats want to help unemployed people" doesn't play well in Oct/Nov.

And of course, that phone interview where Trump kept muting to hide his coughing is extra ironic when he complains about virtual debate moderators being able to mute him. Did anyone else pick up on that?

What, realistically, good news could come from COVID or the economy in four weeks?

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Oh, almost forgot this part.

This OP ED which talks about Trump's "brilliant" move on the relief bill negotiations -- no really, the headline uses that exact term -- hinges on

It was a brilliant move, and should the two sides come together to help the American people – which is the point, right? – Trump will emerge the consummate dealmaker.

Under 24 hours later, McConnell just says "No to Everything".

Yet another case of Trump supporters trying to defend Trump, without waiting 24 hours to see what happens. At least this time, it was McConnell and not Trump. Doesn't change how colossal of a failure it was.

[Hadriker]

Oh, almost forgot this part.

This OP ED which talks about Trump's "brilliant" move on the relief bill negotiations -- no really, the headline uses that exact term -- hinges on



Under 24 hours later, McConnell just says "No to Everything".

Yet another case of Trump supporters trying to defend Trump, without waiting 24 hours to see what happens. At least this time, it was McConnell and not Trump. Doesn't change how colossal of a failure it was.

Well it looks like Trump just raised his stimulus offer to 1.8 trillion