Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[DarkTZeratul]

The important thing is that if he's going to die, he needs to do it after the election. If he does it before, we'll be in an entirely new kind of chaos.

I'd go further and say "after the Electoral Collage votes."

[D Luniz]

I want to tell people again, don;t link Trump tweets. Take a screen shot or something or copy and paste the text.

Every time he gets hit on his twitter he's happy. Don't make Trump happy.

the tweets are being linked from Aaron Rupar@atrupar, a VoX journalist, so rest assured, not padding Trump's bot inflated numbers

[Kaleredar]

This man, President of the United States of America, is absolutely off his fucking rocker.



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Aaaah, so that's what those blue shirts were about.

They sure are leaning hard into "Biden is a secret tool of the RADICAL LEFT!" nonsense, an accusation that... really seems to roll right off of Biden every. Single. Time. I remember early on, before the democratic nominee was settled, that some political commenters opined that "Trump will win if he can successfully paint his opponent as a socialist." Seems Trump believes that as well.

The specific focus on Castro is kind of weird... Trump might be trying to shore up a win in Florida by attempting to enrage cuban-american immigrants living there who had fled from the castro regime against the democrats, but... it's more likely that he's just spouting off castro as a "spooky name" people are vaguely familiar with, because honestly the former plan seems a bit too tactful for him.

I do find it overall funny how much Trump attempts to draw attention to Castro, Bernie, and AOC... Castro, who is dead, and Bernie and AOC, who are not running for president. Because he can't actually attack Biden on anything.

[Redwyrm]

Because he can't actually attack Biden on anything.

well they sure do love that truncated clip of Biden saying he is going to raise your taxes. Because i have seen that in about five different ads

[kaid]

They sure are leaning hard into "Biden is a secret tool of the RADICAL LEFT!" nonsense, an accusation that... really seems to roll right off of Biden every. Single. Time. I remember early on, before the democratic nominee was settled, that some political commenters opined that "Trump will win if he can successfully paint his opponent as a socialist." Seems Trump believes that as well.

The specific focus on Castro is kind of weird... Trump might be trying to shore up a win in Florida by attempting to enrage cuban-american immigrants living there who had fled from the castro regime against the democrats, but... it's more likely that he's just spouting off castro as a "spooky name" people are vaguely familiar with, because honestly the former plan seems a bit too tactful for him.

I do find it overall funny how much Trump attempts to draw attention to Castro, Bernie, and AOC... Castro, who is dead, and Bernie and AOC, who are not running for president. Because he can't actually attack Biden on anything.

This is really the one thing about the biden run that I had not really thought about during the primaries. After all this time trump still can't really find any mud or handle that sticks to biden because he is such a known centrist nobody believes any of it.

[Kiri]

I'd go further and say "after the Electoral Collage votes."

Let's be real, unless Trump wins by a large margin, it's going to be after the Supreme Court 'votes'.

[Kaleredar]

This is really the one thing about the biden run that I had not really thought about during the primaries. After all this time trump still can't really find any mud or handle that sticks to biden because he is such a known centrist nobody believes any of it.

I think Biden was, legitimately, the most likely democrat candidate to be elected among the pool of nominees.

Like I said, you see Trump going hard on trying to paint Biden as some secret socialist. And he can't even point at any real direct policy or actions that Biden is supporting beyond, as Redwyrm noted, the generic anti-democrat republican attack of "omg they wanna raise ur taxes," and so have to construct this conspiracy where Biden, an established politician with a fairly straightforward track record, and his former district district attorney vice president are somehow the "tools of the secret far left," a political cult led by Bernie Sanders, an independent, and AOC, a fresh congresswomen, who have nonetheless wormed their way into influencing Biden to secretly do... whatever insidious things the "radical left" ostensibly wants to do. But Trump is still attempting to do just that. If Bernie or hell, even someone like Warren had won the nomination? ALL of that work would already be done for Trump. It would be yet another uphill battle they'd have to fight, whilst also trying to tamp down Trump's rantings and ravings.

Why? Because "socialist" for many in America is still a big scary word that they shy away from, regardless of how well you try to explain it or add subtlety or context. They'll prefer to "err on the side of caution" and say no when it comes to potentially "socialist" candidates or policies, and Trump will... hell, IS, feeding right into that notion that socialism is some grand boogeyman to be avoided at all costs and dismissed without second thought. So, in essence, you need to dress these policies up as something far more palatable, both in legal presentation and the person presenting them, and pass them that way... like medicare, farm subsidies, and all the other absolutely socialist things that the American government engages in and has engaged in for decades. But they're never presented as socialism, and that's why such programs are favored.

At this point it should be pretty clear that this race isn't about "firing up the democratic base." It's not about getting all the hipsters in Seattle to get off their unicycles and show up at the polls; it's about getting the far more moderate, and far more numerous, people in the swing states to get to the polls and reject Trump. And, if the polls are anything to go by, Biden leads by considerable margins, running not on radical change or "sticking it to the billionaires" but by running on being a solid candidate that will competently lead the country in stark contrast to Trump's shitshow.

And if Trump's plans with the USPS and such are clear, it's that he isn't counting on winning this election legitimately. I don't feel any other democratic candidate would have been "better suited" in dealing with Trump's attempted mail-in ballot malfeasance, which appears to be the only avenue Trump has left for victory at this point.

[Corvus]

During his balcony talk, Trump can be seen with bandages on his hand. They seem to be in the right spot for where a drip would be inserted.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Trump was gonna wear a superman t shirt under his dress shirt and open it up like clark kent

[Breccia]

During his balcony talk, Trump can be seen with bandages on his hand. They seem to be in the right spot for where a drip would be inserted.

Old people heal slowly. He could have gotten those ages ago.

[Kaleredar]

Speaking of which, Trump says Biden is "weak on socialism." Which, the way Trump usually uses this, is to signal that the person is not supporting it strongly enough, as he does with the 2A and so on. So he's actually complaining that Biden isn't enough of a socialist here.

Which is probably an actual complaint because he needs him to be more socialist to successfully attack him lol

I think Trump’s bigly vocabulary might mean that he’s implying Biden isn’t “tough enough” on socialism, as in “he’s not hard enough on stopping the evil socialists from trying to take over the Democratic Party”

[Breccia]

Federal judge rejects Trump suit to block ballot drop boxes in Pennsylvania

Sounds like Texas.

[Hinastorm]

Is the president.....ok?.....Can someone check on him....?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...98881126625280

"Joe Biden is a PUPPET of CASTRO-CHAVISTAS like Crazy Bernie, AOC and Castro-lover Karen Bass. Biden is supported by socialist Gustavo Petro, a major LOSER and former M-19 guerrilla leader. Biden is weak on socialism and will betray Colombia. I stand with you!"

Just, what the fuck.

[szechuan]

The Taliban endorses Trump!

[Fugus]

I think Biden was, legitimately, the most likely democrat candidate to be elected among the pool of nominees.

Like I said, you see Trump going hard on trying to paint Biden as some secret socialist. And he can't even point at any real direct policy or actions that Biden is supporting beyond, as Redwyrm noted, the generic anti-democrat republican attack of "omg they wanna raise ur taxes," and so have to construct this conspiracy where Biden, an established politician with a fairly straightforward track record, and his former district district attorney vice president are somehow the "tools of the secret far left," a political cult led by Bernie Sanders, an independent, and AOC, a fresh congresswomen, who have nonetheless wormed their way into influencing Biden to secretly do... whatever insidious things the "radical left" ostensibly wants to do. But Trump is still attempting to do just that. If Bernie or hell, even someone like Warren had won the nomination? ALL of that work would already be done for Trump. It would be yet another uphill battle they'd have to fight, whilst also trying to tamp down Trump's rantings and ravings.

Why? Because "socialist" for many in America is still a big scary word that they shy away from, regardless of how well you try to explain it or add subtlety or context. They'll prefer to "err on the side of caution" and say no when it comes to potentially "socialist" candidates or policies, and Trump will... hell, IS, feeding right into that notion that socialism is some grand boogeyman to be avoided at all costs and dismissed without second thought. So, in essence, you need to dress these policies up as something far more palatable, both in legal presentation and the person presenting them, and pass them that way... like medicare, farm subsidies, and all the other absolutely socialist things that the American government engages in and has engaged in for decades. But they're never presented as socialism, and that's why such programs are favored.

At this point it should be pretty clear that this race isn't about "firing up the democratic base." It's not about getting all the hipsters in Seattle to get off their unicycles and show up at the polls; it's about getting the far more moderate, and far more numerous, people in the swing states to get to the polls and reject Trump. And, if the polls are anything to go by, Biden leads by considerable margins, running not on radical change or "sticking it to the billionaires" but by running on being a solid candidate that will competently lead the country in stark contrast to Trump's shitshow.

And if Trump's plans with the USPS and such are clear, it's that he isn't counting on winning this election legitimately. I don't feel any other democratic candidate would have been "better suited" in dealing with Trump's attempted mail-in ballot malfeasance, which appears to be the only avenue Trump has left for victory at this point.

As a person who supported Bernie Sanders and still do, I hate to say it, but I am thinking you are right. While Sanders would logically be the better person to get that spot, too many seem to fear the term socialism even without knowing what it means or even relying on it themselves. Taking a facebook break just because I was enjoying messing with them too much with facts that they disliked to watch them react.

If Sanders had won, they were be fearful for their lives because of all the BS they have conned themselves into believing, it isn't about facts or reality to them, it is all about feelings and fantasies. And while Biden is a crap option overall, none of those labels can stick to him really. By the US metrics, he is about as right leaning a Democrat as you can find and the primaries have shown the the older voters are still the main ones to show up.

My nieces and nephews won't be able to grow up in the America they deserve because of it, but hopefully they can clean up our generations and our parents generations mess so that their children can.

[xmirrors]

Bernie was what I wanted, but isn't what we needed. The country needs to heal after Trump to try and mend the division, not take a full swing into progressivism. Baby steps.

[Kaleredar]

As a person who supported Bernie Sanders and still do, I hate to say it, but I am thinking you are right. While Sanders would logically be the better person to get that spot, too many seem to fear the term socialism even without knowing what it means or even relying on it themselves. Taking a facebook break just because I was enjoying messing with them too much with facts that they disliked to watch them react.

If Sanders had won, they were be fearful for their lives because of all the BS they have conned themselves into believing, it isn't about facts or reality to them, it is all about feelings and fantasies. And while Biden is a crap option overall, none of those labels can stick to him really. By the US metrics, he is about as right leaning a Democrat as you can find and the primaries have shown the the older voters are still the main ones to show up.

My nieces and nephews won't be able to grow up in the America they deserve because of it, but hopefully they can clean up our generations and our parents generations mess so that their children can.

Simply imagine Bernie Sanders standing on a stage opposite Trump during a debate.

Bernie is doing his damndest to explain his policies in a subtle, nuanced and palatable way to get his point across.

And Trump, the entire time, will be standing opposite him saying (and I encourage you to read this in your most Trumpian inner voice) "no, wrong, the socialism... it doesn't work, it's never worked... look at Venezuela, you want to make America like Venezuela... They don't have the moochers that we have in the scandanavian countries, too many people would be exploiting the system, folks he wants to raise your taxes, he wants to tax the job creators so that you don't have the jobs, he's going to pay the lazy people not to work and take your money... the... it... the healthcare wont work, it'll have the death panels... you'll see that... you see, they have these systems in socialist countries where they decide who lives and dies because the hospitals are so crowded, you can't get in there to get treatment when you're sick because all of the welfare queens are in there, and your grandma... she needs a new liver, but no, the unemployed woman with the eight kids Bernie wants you to pay for is in the operating room instead because one of her little brats stubbed his toe... the medicare... the medicaid... it isn't socialism because the people WORKED for their money, you just want to give money to the moochers for free..." And he's basically just shouting that into the air waves for an hour and a half.

Basically, Trump would be vomiting up a word soup of buzz-word talking points faster than Bernie would be able to redress any of them. And even if Bernie does, trump will have seeded the idea that all of these evil socialist things will happen under Bernie. That would be the takeaway. He'll paint the image of a scary, unknown socialist America under Bernie that's worse than the shitshow of a presidency Trump's been leading, because, in effect, at least "people will know what to expect under Trump."

Biden is running on not being Trump. I think people misunderstand how powerful of a platform that is. By that merit he has Trump on the defense, somewhere that Trump hates to be. Trump and co. are trying desperately to paint Biden as a socialist because it gives Trump leverage to attack, the only place he can hope to make any ground. And Biden and Harris so far have been shirking such accusations like water off a duck's back, keeping the focus on things like Trump's taxes, his failed coronavirus response, and so forth, because they can stand back and say, demonstrably and with zero place for debate, that Trump is really fucking that stuff up. And the stuff they say Trump is fucking up is in the news constantly. There's no vague ephemera to be argued for, like with Bernie's policies.

[Draco-Onis]

Simply imagine Bernie Sanders standing on a stage opposite Trump during a debate.

Bernie is doing his damndest to explain his policies in a subtle, nuanced and palatable way to get his point across.

And Trump, the entire time, will be standing opposite him saying (and I encourage you to read this in your most Trumpian inner voice) "no, wrong, the socialism... it doesn't work, it's never worked... look at Venezuela, you want to make America like Venezuela... They don't have the moochers that we have in the scandanavian countries, too many people would be exploiting the system, folks he wants to raise your taxes, he wants to tax the job creators so that you don't have the jobs, he's going to pay the lazy people not to work and take your money... the... it... the healthcare wont work, it'll have the death panels... you'll see that... you see, they have these systems in socialist countries where they decide who lives and dies because the hospitals are so crowded, you can't get in there to get treatment when you're sick because all of the welfare queens are in there, and your grandma... she needs a new liver, but no, the unemployed woman with the eight kids Bernie wants you to pay for is in the operating room instead because one of her little brats stubbed his toe... the medicare... the medicaid... it isn't socialism because the people WORKED for their money, you just want to give money to the moochers for free..." And he's basically just shouting that into the air waves for an hour and a half.

Basically, Trump would be vomiting up a word soup of buzz-word talking points faster than Bernie would be able to redress any of them. And even if Bernie does, trump will have seeded the idea that all of these evil socialist things will happen under Bernie. That would be the takeaway. He'll paint the image of a scary, unknown socialist America under Bernie that's worse than the shitshow of a presidency Trump's been leading, because, in effect, at least "people will know what to expect under Trump."

Biden is running on not being Trump. I think people misunderstand how powerful of a platform that is. By that merit he has Trump on the defense, somewhere that Trump hates to be. Trump and co. are trying desperately to paint Biden as a socialist because it gives Trump leverage to attack, the only place he can hope to make any ground. And Biden and Harris so far have been shirking such accusations like water off a duck's back, keeping the focus on things like Trump's taxes, his failed coronavirus response, and so forth, because they can stand back and say, demonstrably and with zero place for debate, that Trump is really fucking that stuff up. And the stuff they say Trump is fucking up is in the news constantly. There's no vague ephemera to be argued for, like with Bernie's policies.

I disagree not because Trump wouldn't do what you said he would but because I think Trump has proven policies really don't matter anymore. If you were right Biden would be winning this by double digits easy win no sweat off our back but this race is coming down to the margin of error in the deciding states. Also if you have not noticed the reason Trump is doing badly it is because of Trump even with all the bad things he did if he acted presidential for 6 months he would be cruising to victory.

Trump isn't the problem and I am worried after he is gone people will think things are solved when the rot that put him in office will still be around.

[Fugus]

I disagree not because Trump wouldn't do what you said he would but because I think Trump has proven policies really don't matter anymore. If you were right Biden would be winning this by double digits easy win no sweat off our back but this race is coming down to the margin of error in the deciding states. Also if you have not noticed the reason Trump is doing badly it is because of Trump even with all the bad things he did if he acted presidential for 6 months he would be cruising to victory.

Trump isn't the problem and I am worried after he is gone people will think things are solved when the rot that put him in office will still be around.

It's not about policy to Trumps most devout followers, the guy could rape a child in full public view and just call it fake news and they would still support him and the Republican politicians would as well because of that.

To the uninformed who aren't that devout though, while they know Trump is shit, they have been conditioned to fear the dreaded socialism even more so. Kinda like how Japan told its citizens that the Americans would rape and torture them and their families if they came while we were at war with them. While it was largely false (Warcrimes aside), the fear was there and they feared that more than death itself and would rather commit suicide or shoot their own kids to spare them that fate. That is the level of fear we have with that word and many who dislike Trump. That is why it would be worse.

I know Sanders has better policies and all but that fear keeps him back.

[Draco-Onis]

It's not about policy to Trumps most devout followers, the guy could rape a child in full public view and just call it fake news and they would still support him and the Republican politicians would as well because of that.

To the uninformed who aren't that devout though, while they know Trump is shit, they have been conditioned to fear the dreaded socialism even more so. Kinda like how Japan told its citizens that the Americans would rape and torture them and their families if they came while we were at war with them. While it was largely false (Warcrimes aside), the fear was there and they feared that more than death itself and would rather commit suicide or shoot their own kids to spare them that fate. That is the level of fear we have with that word and many who dislike Trump. That is why it would be worse.

I know Sanders has better policies and all but that fear keeps him back.

That is false his base is 33-35 percent far lower than his approval rating and the amount he is losing by. Biden isn't beating Trump, Trump is currently making himself lose. We got lucky with Trump imagine if he was a wise anything he would be crowned king of the USA already.

Here is my fear Biden takes office fails to shore up democracy in the name of bipartisanship and we are in a worse situation down the road. If Trump proved anything it is that our system is broken and a large chunk of the population are idiots.