Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Elegiac]

Why should I care about a single rando on a forum?
The people warning about a possible civil war are media, celebrities and other famous and or professional people, and none of them are "apologists" for that or spouting ridiculous bs like that "or else" drivel.
That's pure fantasy.

The right wing has been acting violently towards the entire country since the Reagan presidency so any people pushing the "the left wing are instigating the current chaos" line are just telegraphing they don't know very much about American history.

Or they do, and they're lying about it to buttress the status quo. Shocker.

[Soliloque]

As far as violence, right wing violence has been and continues to be a far greater problem in the United States than left wing violence.

That doesn't make left-wing violence justified.

Simple numbers bear this out as being true. For every trash can tipped over by BLM or Antifa or whoever, there's a right-wing plot to kidnap a governor or a right-wing loon plowing his car into a group of protestors or shooting up a jewish temple. And I'm sorry, but property damage is not even remotely equatable to violence and murder propagated against actual people.

Now, this is apologism. Looks like the mask's off, and quickly so.

[Elegiac]

That doesn't make left-wing violence justified.

If you remotely believe any of the crap contained in the Declaration of Independence, it does.

[Soliloque]

If you remotely believe any of the crap contained in the Declaration of Independence, it does.

Okay dude. Glad we cleared that you are pro-violence.

[draynay]

Looks like the mask's off, and quickly so.

Yeah, we care more about lives than about property damage, you have unmasked us, bravo.

[Gelannerai]

Why should I care about a single rando on a forum?
The people warning about a possible civil war are media, celebrities and other famous and or professional people, and none of them are "apologists" for that or spouting ridiculous bs like that "or else" drivel.
That's pure fantasy.

More than just “a single rando,” but ok. Hard to tell who you’re referring to when you make a blanket statement the way you did. Also, which celebrities/media personalities?

[Elegiac]

Okay dude. Glad we cleared that you are pro-violence.

Property damage isn't violence, hun.

[Soliloque]

Yeah, we care more about lives than about property damage, you have unmasked us, bravo.

Indeed I have. You guys never seem to realize that property damage damages lives and people too.
Or you don't care.

Property damage isn't violence, hun.

So that makes it fine?
I swear the masks are just raining on the ground here.

[Breccia]

I can't imagine why. Can you?

Fauci found his voice.

Fauci says clip in Trump ad is out of context

Before I continue, it looks like this is Team Trump's approach: intentionally using poor context to, well, lie. Biden does not want to ban fracking, and he does not support defunding the police.

"In my nearly five decades of public service, I have never publicly endorsed any political candidate. The comments attributed to me without my permission in the GOP campaign ad were taken out of context from a broad statement I made months ago about the efforts of federal public health officials," Fauci said in a statement.

The ad, released last week shortly after the president was discharged from Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, touts the president’s response to the virus, and includes a clip of Fauci saying “I can’t imagine that anybody could be doing more.”

In context, Fauci is referring to himself and other members of the White House coronavirus task force.

"We've never had a threat like this. The coordinated response has been...There are a number of adjectives to describe it -- impressive, I think is one of them. We're talking about all hands on deck. I, as one of many people on a team, I'm not the only person," Fauci said in the March interview that was the source of the clip.

“Since the beginning, that we even recognized what this was, I have been devoting almost full time on this. I'm down at the White House virtually every day with the task force. It's every single day. So, I can't imagine that under any circumstances that anybody could be doing more,” he added.

Congratulations, everyone: it is now fair to say "Trump called the coronavirus a hoax".

"But he didn't say that! Not exactly!"

Well, then let's put it to a challenge. Trump supporters, you have 24 hours to decide between these two choices.

1) It is fair, as Trump's campaign has said, to intentionally take the context out of what Fauci said, and make it look like he was praising Trump instead of who he was actually praising. In return, everyone gets to say "Trump called the coronavirus a hoax" and you must accept that.

2) Or, it is not fair for Trump to misquote Fauci, and by your condemnnation of such, everyone else agrees to correctly say "Trump called the response to his handling COVID a hoax" but not to say "Trump called COVID a hoax".

You know the deal, 24 hours. Oh, and for added incentive: if nobody answers this at all, then not only do I get to decide, and not only do you all admit you are cowards, but I get to start misquoting you out of context as well -- and when you report me for doing so, you admit you're hypocrites.

"You won't know which of them reported you."

No.

But they will.

[Kaleredar]

Indeed I have. You guys never seem to realize that property damage damages lives and people too.
Or you don't care.

You know what damages people's lives more than damage to property? Damage to people.

[Elegiac]

You know what damages people's lives more than damage to property? Damage to people.

Watching Republicans try to pull the "property damage is violence" line while backing legislation to axe liability protection for workers that get exposed to COVID due to their employers' negligence is a trip.

In the sense that it's perfectly reconcilable if one has a fundamentally toxic worldview where the value of a soul is the dollars therein.

[Machismo]

Why should I care about a single rando on a forum?
The people warning about a possible civil war are media, celebrities and other famous and or professional people, and none of them are "apologists" for that or spouting ridiculous bs like that "or else" drivel.
That's pure fantasy.

So, it's not fantasy, because those people exist, and there's plenty of them on this very forum.

[Elegiac]

So that makes it fine?

Please stop moving the goalposts since you couldn't substantiate your ridiculous "pro-violence" claim.

All I'm gonna say is the property damage could be avoided if y'all gave a shit about the murders, and the poverty, and the oppression. But hey; run a stupid society, win stupid outcomes.

[Soliloque]

You know what damages people's lives more than damage to property? Damage to people.

I get you don't care about the life of people, no need to hammer it in.
Guess smashing down stores and burning buildings is fine so long the people inside aren't damaged, huh?

Man.

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All I'm gonna say is the property damage could be avoided if y'all gave a shit about the murders, and the poverty, and the oppression. But hey; run a stupid society, win stupid outcomes.

"Agree with our ideology OR ELSE the property damage, burning and looting will continue"

I swear this couldn't be any more amazing.
You're quite literally saying exactly what that other guy was accusing the right to be saying.

And all it took was a little prodding, not even a page worth of thread.

[Elegiac]

"Agree with our ideology AND THEN the property damage will stop"

The ideology that people should be treated equally under the law and should not be oppressed? That ideology?

I swear this couldn't be any more amazing.
You're quite literally doing exactly what that other guy was accusing the right to be doing.

Not really, because as usual y'all continue to operate by South Park logic to the effect of "all strong forms of political belief are indistinguishable".

There is nothing wrong with not tolerating the intolerant.

[Soliloque]

One is property damage, the other is murder. Buildings can be rebuilt. So, yes?

Glad to see you admit to be fine with the destruction of innocent people's property.

Though I can bet everything that your tune would quickly change if it was your house burned by Antifa crazies.

[Elegiac]

Glad to see you admit to be fine with the destruction of innocent people's property.

Why are you more concerned with the property damage resulting from protests rather than the causes of the protest itself. /yawn

Insert some crap about how "property damage and violence never changed anything" while living in a country that was literally founded by political violence, doubtless.

[Soliloque]

The ideology that people should be treated equally under the law and should not be oppressed? That ideology?

Nah, that's already happening today.
Mainly the ideology that the USA have nazi's under every rock and that the police goes out hunting at night Purge style.
You know, that nonsense ideology.

Also I noticed how you no longer even bother to hide your "OR ELSE THERE WILL BE VIOLENCE" mentality.

Again, mask's off.

[postman1782]

I’m curious what is the purpose of a “Conservative party”.

To hold everyone back from progress. That is the definition of Conservative.

[Gelannerai]

I get you don't care about the life of people, no need to hammer it in.
Guess smashing down stores and burning buildings is fine so long the people inside aren't damaged, huh?

Man.

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"Agree with our ideology OR ELSE the property damage, burning and looting will continue"

I swear this couldn't be any more amazing.
You're quite literally saying exactly what that other guy was accusing the right to be saying.

And all it took was a little prodding, not even a page worth of thread.

So you’re ok with one side murdering and oppressing people because of their skin color or political beliefs?