Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[rayvio]

I don't trust politicians. I don't trust anybody who wants to be in charge of other people. I certainly wouldn't trust Biden to keep every promise, resist every opportunity to be corrupt or to make the right choices... but if I was American I would vote for him over trump without any hesitation. all candidates are suspect, but trump is provably corrupt, inept, petty, prejudiced and an altogether abhorrent person... and I apologise to all the 7.8 billion people for referring to that orange excrement as a person

[TigTone]

I don't trust politicians. I don't trust anybody who wants to be in charge of other people. I certainly wouldn't trust Biden to keep every promise, resist every opportunity to be corrupt or to make the right choices... but if I was American I would vote for him over trump without any hesitation. all candidates are suspect, but trump is provably corrupt, inept, petty, prejudiced and an altogether abhorrent person... and I apologise to all the 7.8 billion people for referring to that orange excrement as a person

Politicians wouldn’t be such a problem but the profession is a magnet for sociopaths/psychopaths and unfortunately nothing is done to prevent them from taking a position of power.

To be honest I don’t think power corrupts I think it just exposes those who are already corrupt to begin with.

[YUPPIE]

Politicians wouldn’t be such a problem but the profession is a magnet for sociopaths/psychopaths and unfortunately nothing is done to prevent them from taking a position of power.

To be honest I don’t think power corrupts I think it just exposes those who are already corrupt to begin with.

Donald Trump is neither a psychopath or a sociopath.

Besides that, how do people think Trump will go down in history if he doesn't get re-elected? That's an important topic to American students studying politics. People make it out like he's going to be Nixon or worse as an example of a failed leader than anyone people can look up to.

[Breccia]

The White House is pushing for the debate to go on as planned.

"Oh, so Trump tested negative?"

No.

"So he's ready to do the virtual debates?"

No.

"Didn't Trump bail on the debates? Because they changed the format? Because he tested positive?"

Yes.

"And he made other plans?"

Yes. So did Biden, but only after Trump made other plans himself.

"So, this is all for show. So he can say 'but I said I would go!' and shrug to waa-waa-waa-waaaaaaah music?"

Looks like it.

The debates, their formats, and their location were chosen well in advance. Trump caused strict enforcement of the rules, because he didn't follow the honor system and also tested positive. Then he badmouthed the Committee repeatedly. Any claim Trump makes about wanting to debate, even if it is genuine (it isn't, he got crushed like a bug last time), will not be heeded. And even if he tests negative tomorrow, that gives, what, two days for everyone to drop what they're doing and show up?

"But Trump declared himself cured."

And when Trump has both a medical degree, and a negative test result, that might mean something. Until then, Trump lies all the time about everything. Quite frankly his doctors are suspect now, too, since he can order them to declare him safe.

Trump has enough on his plate already, and only 90% of it is overcooked fast food. He's asked for a daily rally or related activity until the election itself, with--

"Every ship except your four fastest, you mean."

What?

"I mean, every day except the debate days, you mean."

Uh...unclear. But his advisors have said some interesting things on the topic.

He really fucked up with seniors when he said not to worry about the virus and not to let it control your life. There are so many grandparents who’ve gone almost a year without being able to see grandchildren

"Okay well one advisor clearly had something to say, but that doesn't seem to be about Trump's new schedule. Did any--"

He’s going to kill himself.

"...ah. Well he's low on options, I guess. How much ground does he need to make up?"

If Trump takes every state not currently leaning 3 or more towards any one canddiate, he would have 247 EC votes and lose. That's Florida, Ohio, Georgia, NC, and Iowa. This means he needs to take at least one two other states leaning Biden.
1) Pennsylvania and anything
2) Michigan and Arizona
3) Any three states.

This means Trump has to have his eye on a total of eleven states purely on offense. He'll also need to keep an eye on Texas, that's too close for him to ignore, that's 12. By an amazing coincidence, the election is 24 days away.

That's two days of rallies or related events each.

"That doesn't sound that bad."

With no stopping to rest. A 70-plus overweight man who recently got hospitalized and hasn't tested negative. Oh, and it also assumes he's not, you know, taking any days to do his job.

Now, Trump can try to minmax this by holding rallies on state borders. A fair number of Biden-leaning states are adjacent to each other. That might shave off a few "mandatory" days and give him time to, again, do his job, take a break, or play defense in a state other than Texas if things continue to go badly.

And on top of all of that..he has to find venues willing to host him. I know they can put things together quickly, but not instantly. And there are some unfriendly state governors out there who have zero reason to bend the rules involving large crowds of maskless people during flu season.

Calling this a long shot would be generous. It's not impossible, but it's "thousand yards out in high wind" level of long shot. And Trump's getting too old for this shit.

[postman1782]

Donald Trump is neither a psychopath or a sociopath.

Besides that, how do people think Trump will go down in history if he doesn't get re-elected? That's an important topic to American students studying politics. People make it out like he's going to be Nixon or worse as an example of a failed leader than anyone people can look up to.

How is he not? He is already worse than Nixon. Nixon as far as we know it, didn't let 200k people die that he could have prevented if he would have done ANYTHING besides nothing.

[szechuan]

Donald Trump is neither a psychopath or a sociopath.

Yet Mary Trump said he is a sociopath.

[Breccia]

Nixon as far as we know it, didn't let 200k people die that he could have prevented

I mean...Nixon did oversee some of the more deadly years of the Vietnam War. And even that didn't come close to two hundred thousand.

[Kaleredar]

Donald Trump is neither a psychopath or a sociopath.

Besides that, how do people think Trump will go down in history if he doesn't get re-elected? That's an important topic to American students studying politics. People make it out like he's going to be Nixon or worse as an example of a failed leader than anyone people can look up to.

Pretty sure Trump is going in the history books next to Watergate and the internment of the Japanese during WW2. I.E, terrible mistakes in American history.

And for the tiny, tiny penis. I just don't know how you can call the man a success when he's got nothin' going on down there. What man would look up to that?

[Azadina]

Donald Trump is neither a psychopath or a sociopath.

Besides that, how do people think Trump will go down in history if he doesn't get re-elected? That's an important topic to American students studying politics. People make it out like he's going to be Nixon or worse as an example of a failed leader than anyone people can look up to.

Nixon was nothing but an amateur crook in comparison to what Trump is. Try again.

[unfilteredJW]

Pretty sure Trump is going in the history books next to Watergate and the internment of the Japanese during WW2. I.E, terrible mistakes in American history.

And for the tiny, tiny penis. I just don't know how you can call the man a success when he's got nothin' going on down there. What man would look up to that?

Ones who also have small ding dongs.

Or a really short guy.

[Benggaul]

41,935 new cases, again about 8k more than last Sunday.

Texas: 2,789 new cases; 28 deaths
Illinois: 2,727 new cases; 9 deaths
California: 2,723 new cases; 9 deaths
Wisconsin: 2,676 new cases; 7 deaths
Tennessee: 2,068 new cases; 9 deaths
Fuck Florida. (I was pretty accurate with my estimates yesterday, by the way.)
North Carolina: 1,719 new cases; 5 deaths
Indiana: 1,570 new cases; 7 deaths
Minnesota: 1,440 new cases; 10 deaths
Ohio: 1,290 new cases; 2 deaths
Utah: 1,200 new cases; 7 deaths
Louisiana: 1,181 new cases; 20 deaths
New York: 1,145 new cases; 2 deaths
Georgia: 1,140 new cases; 23 deaths
Iowa: 1,109 new cases; 5 deaths
Pennsylvania: 1,016 new cases; 5 deaths

It's Sunday, so these are always the lowest-reported numbers for the week and it's rare to see any new records. It is, however, the highest tally for a Sunday since mid-August. This is the 5th straight day with significant increases over last week's numbers. The same situation began the rise towards 60-70k+ territory in June/July--and back then we were starting from a 23k a day average. Tomorrow is also a low-report day but it's still likely to be disappointing.

325 deaths is about the same as last Sunday and the total now stands at 219,695. We'll almost certainly be hitting 220k tomorrow.

Only one related news item today because it's sobering enough and I have an early appointment with the surgeon tomorrow so I'm keeping it short:

Expect 20,000 more coronavirus deaths by the end of the month, former CDC director says.

Stay safe, folks.

[Kaleredar]

Ones who also have small ding dongs.

Yeah but like, if you were hungry and only had a pomegranite seed, you'd think most people would be wishing for at least a whole orange or something instead, rather than settling for like a... kumquat.

Or a really short guy.

Much to their dismay, I'm sure.

- - - Updated - - -

41,935 new cases, again about 8k more than last Sunday.

Texas: 2,789 new cases; 28 deaths
Illinois: 2,727 new cases; 9 deaths
California: 2,723 new cases; 9 deaths
Wisconsin: 2,676 new cases; 7 deaths
Tennessee: 2,068 new cases; 9 deaths
Fuck Florida. (I was pretty accurate with my estimates yesterday, by the way.)
North Carolina: 1,719 new cases; 5 deaths
Indiana: 1,570 new cases; 7 deaths
Minnesota: 1,440 new cases; 10 deaths
Ohio: 1,290 new cases; 2 deaths
Utah: 1,200 new cases; 7 deaths
Louisiana: 1,181 new cases; 20 deaths
New York: 1,145 new cases; 2 deaths
Georgia: 1,140 new cases; 23 deaths
Iowa: 1,109 new cases; 5 deaths
Pennsylvania: 1,016 new cases; 5 deaths

It's Sunday, so these are always the lowest-reported numbers for the week and it's rare to see any new records. It is, however, the highest tally for a Sunday since mid-August. This is the 5th straight day with significant increases over last week's numbers. The same situation began the rise towards 60-70k+ territory in June/July--and back then we were starting from a 23k a day average. Tomorrow is also a low-report day but it's still likely to be disappointing.

325 deaths is about the same as last Sunday and the total now stands at 219,695. We'll almost certainly be hitting 220k tomorrow.

Only one related news item today because it's sobering enough and I have an early appointment with the surgeon tomorrow so I'm keeping it short:

Expect 20,000 more coronavirus deaths by the end of the month, former CDC director says.

Stay safe, folks.

I suppose the silver lining in this is that the big population centers of California and New York have really cut down the death counts.

It's pretty telling when a state like Wisconsin, which has literally a sixth of California's population, has nearly as many cases and deaths, let alone having practically double the amount of New York's cases and more than twice its deaths, all while New York has a population almost four times greater than that of Wisconsin.

[YUPPIE]

Nixon was nothing but an amateur crook in comparison to what Trump is. Try again.

if he's this Lex Luthor-like villain, how hasn't he been thrown out of office and arrested yet?

[Fugus]

in Trump's own words, you don't get to where he is in life without sacrifices and being (overly) nice or charitable. That could be said for all world leaders though.

I admire that aspect of the current president. He's 70 so even if he dies now, he has led the most fulfilling life possible for a human being.

I think Gengis Khan has him beat. The guy waged war across a continent and was an actual warrior instead of the fake one Trump claims to be while being a coward. He also legitimately screwed so many women legitimately without lying about it or paying them to abort of hide it that his bloodline goes through about 5% of the entire world population today. And unlike Trump, he actually did some good and brought a uniform system of laws and literacy where he went.

Trump basically lived the life of a fuck up, liar and coward his entire life and still got rewarded for it because he was born "Too Rich to Fail". And that protection from consequences is the only reason he has any ambition at all. Because he say his father do it and figured he could to without ever facing consequences for his actions at any step in the process.

[Kaleredar]

if he's this Lex Luthor-like villain, how hasn't he been thrown out of office and arrested yet?

...Because he has the department of justice and the republicans blocking for him.

...were you not aware of this?

Trump was never declared "not guilty" of any of the criminal investigations into his past. They merely opined that, because he was the president, they could not further look into the matter while he was in office. That's not a declaration of innocence, and he can (and hopefully will) still be tried for all of the charges that were attempted to be brought against him upon leaving office.

[YUPPIE]

...Because he has the department of justice and the republicans blocking for him.

if he's a loser and a crook on the verge of losing everything, why would people back him? Surely there's something to be gained because no one would put their faith in a sinking ship.

Just trying to be positive here.

[Kaleredar]

if he's a loser and a crook on the verge of losing everything, why would people back him?

Because they've either been conned into supporting a snake oil salesman or benefit from the snake oil salesman.

Surely there's something to be gained because no one would put their faith in a sinking ship.

the history of... really, the world... says otherwise. They simply don't realize it's sinking, or know it's sinking and are trying to make off with as much of the ship's safe as possible.

Just trying to be positive here.

The only thing "positive" about Trump are his coronavirus test results.

[zealo]

if he's this Lex Luthor-like villain, how hasn't he been thrown out of office and arrested yet?

Because the GOP with individuals such as Mitch McConnel among others are complicit in this mess.

Trump is by far not the only crook at hand here.

[TEHPALLYTANK]

if he's a loser and a crook on the verge of losing everything, why would people back him? Surely there's something to be gained because no one would put their faith in a sinking ship.

Just trying to be positive here.

If you're talking about his supporters (not elected officials), it is because they're either woefully misinformed or inducted into his cult of personality. If we're talking elected officials, it is because it is too late for them to change course.

The brakes are shot, the train is moving too damn fast, and you're totally screwed if you try to make that turn without slowing down. The GOP helped elect a candidate that has severely weakened their party unity, showing a lack of unity would just decrease public confidence in them and further reduce their chances of holding onto other elected positions (namely the Senate and House seats).

Or put slightly differently, this is the train upon which the GOP is currently riding.

[unfilteredJW]

if he's this Lex Luthor-like villain, how hasn't he been thrown out of office and arrested yet?

Don't compare Trump to Luthor.

Luthor was a successful and brilliant mastermind of a villain.

Trump is a failure at literally everything he's done: business, being a human being, President. Everything.