Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Tinfoy Lat]

Ah yes, not being tone deaf while murdering over a million Iraqi, that is what a true president is.

Who said fuck all about Bush being what a true president is? My post simply says he would have had the political intelligence to use the crap that has happened this year. Quit trying to create things to take offense to.

[Edge-]

If you exclude the other wars the US was involved in and the disasters that Bush fucked u on.

..Oh right we are still far away from even the 1 million Iraqi. Whitewashing Bush sure sounds fun.

If we update this to include both wars Trump is about halfway there - https://www.businessinsider.com/how-...nd-afghanistan

500K combined estimated deaths, which include civilians, combatants, and international forces over more than a decade.

Trump has 200K domestic deaths alone in less than a year, which is far, far higher than the combined deaths of American servicemembers in both wars combined.

I wonder what he'll do if we give him another 4 years? And that's not counting deaths from military actions taken under Trump, or the continued death toll from both wars under his watch. That's just the coronavirus deaths.

[Machismo]

Wait, are you not an American?

Nope, he's just a "concerned" European Trump supporter.

[nonameelf]

Trump endorses Rapists.

That far left radical Francisco de Bobadilla even arrested Columbus! THE RADICAL LEFT HAS TIME TRAVELERS NOW!

But for real, what Columbus was doing was seen as abhorrent even in his own time.

Also Lief was the first European to discover America.

[Nurasu]

We're really arguing which is worse? A puppeteered mass murderer or an incompetent mass murderer? Republicans sure know how to pick them; "independents" sure know how to let them.

[beanman12345]

Nope, he's just a "concerned" European Trump supporter.

I don't think he's a trump supporter, but he sure is as ignorant as one.

[Zaydin]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but apparently the terrorists who were planning to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer were also considering kidnapping Virginia Governor Ralph Northam.

[Machismo]

I don't think he's a trump supporter, but he sure is as ignorant as one.

Merely a trump supporter, in that he is carrying water for him... almost as much as Rochana.

[beanman12345]

Merely a trump supporter, in that he is carrying water for him... almost as much as Rochana.

Ah yes, fair enough can't argue that.

[Smitzelplix]

McConnell is going to try to pass another slimmed down stimulus package soon and of course there's not a lot of information on what he's going to include in it. I imagine though it's going to have poison pills in it such as allowing businesses to be immune from lawsuits if their workers get sick from Covid.

https://www.businessinsider.com/mcco...te-big-2020-10

[kaid]

McConnell is going to try to pass another slimmed down stimulus package soon and of course there's not a lot of information on what he's going to include in it. I imagine though it's going to have poison pills in it such as allowing businesses to be immune from lawsuits if their workers get sick from Covid.

https://www.businessinsider.com/mcco...te-big-2020-10

I can't see him getting close to trumps last thing he floated so I am not sure the point. All the house has to do is point to the trump offer and go the senate is not serious because they didn't pass something even matching Trumps so its basically DOA without the house having to do anything.

[Smitzelplix]

I can't see him getting close to trumps last thing he floated so I am not sure the point. All the house has to do is point to the trump offer and go the senate is not serious because they didn't pass something even matching Trumps so its basically DOA without the house having to do anything.

I think that's the point, he's not negotiating in good faith, he's just trying to make the Democrats look bad.

[Inuyaki]

Also Lief was the first European to discover America.

Leif

/10char

[kaid]

I think that's the point, he's not negotiating in good faith, he's just trying to make the Democrats look bad.

I am not sure it accomplishes that when trump is still negotiating with himself and the senate bill is going to be tiny probably half or less what trump is asking for let alone the democrats.

[GreenJesus]

This was on my Youtube feed today:



I don't miss Bush, and I don't forgive him his crimes. The guy should be in jail for warcrimes. But with that said, 4 years under Trump has made me miss even the most basic of professionalism and civility. Bush was gracious and welcoming of his political opponent taking office. He knew the occasion was grander than his own political party and gave Americans a message of hope to try to get us all behind President (then -Elect) Obama.

I highly doubt Trump will give such a speech when (and if) Biden wins.

Not once did Bush brag about himself. Not once did he make disparaging comments on the Democrats. Not once did he make wild or inaccurate claims on what the Democrat president was going to do to us.

I'm pissed off that Trump manages to make Dubya look good.

"The war is over guys! Mission Accomplished!" - George Bush June 5, 2003

But Bush gave a nice speech before he left office = Good "professional" president. lol

Who gives a shit about how nice they say stuff on TV if they bankrupt our country by bombing goatfuckers in the middle of a dessert on the other side of the planet?
[Infraction]

[Xyonai]

"The war is over guys! Mission Accomplished!" - George Bush June 5, 2003

But Bush gave a nice speech before he left office = Good "professional" president. lol

Who gives a shit about how nice they say stuff on TV if they bankrupt our country by bombing goatfuckers in the middle of a dessert on the other side of the planet?

Honestly I'll put myself onto this boat as well. We shouldn't yearn for ye olden days of useful idiot war-mongers just because the current guy is a psychopathic shit-flinging chimpanzee currently high on either Adderall or steroids just because the war-monger could string two sentences together without verbally shitting himself.

[Thekri]

So, lets talk about how badly Trump has fucked the US on foreign policy again. Because contrary to ghostkitties assertions of Trump being "Strong on the military", he isn't, and we are in a much worse position in pretty much every area of the world. For now, lets focus on North Korea.

So lets start with this.

That is a big ass rocket. Or in technical terms, an ICBM. Specifically, it is a lengthened version of the Hwasong-15 ICBM they already tested. These new missiles were on parade over the weekend, and they are brand new. Based on the dramatic lengthening of the missile body, most experts agree that these can hit the entire continental United States if they actually work (Based on previous missiles from Best Korea, the estimate is that 25% of the time, they work every time).

To be clear, when Obama left office, the Hwasong-15 did not exist, let alone the lengthened version. North Korea also had perhaps 1-2 nuclear devices, and no deployable nuclear weapons. Under Trump, North Korea now has deployable nuclear weapons, with MRV capable ICBMs that can hit the entire US. Because his bromance with Kim Jung Un is the biggest failure in US-North Korean policy, perhaps ever. Everyone is saying it.

This spray-tanned egotist has pissed away 4 crucial years as North Korea finalized and deployed an actual nuclear deterrent. Even if Biden wins, he can't go back to Obama policy, because North Korea has actual nukes now. Trump never got a single goddamn thing from Kim. He got played like a fiddle, and we are all endangered for it. Irresponsible amateurism has consequences.

[Gorsameth]

For all that i dislike what Bush did as president, he wasn't tone deaf to what was going on in the country. Going off of how he reacted to the things which happened during his terms, if he were president today his re-election would be all but assured right now. Even a small response to the pandemic and the racial issues in the country combined with some actual empathy for the people would have done it. Bush is so often given grief for not being very smart, even trump has done so, and yet he would have been smart enough to do what Trump cannot even give a pretense of doing.

Thinking of Bush does give me one bit of gratitude for the Trump administration. Thank god Pence is trump's vp and not cheney. I get shivers thinking of what someone like cheney would do as vp under Trump.

Ehm, didn't he completely fuck up the response the hurricane Katrina?
Kinda sounds like he was deaf to what was going on in the country or empathy.

[Breccia]

McConnell is going to try to pass another slimmed down stimulus package

Trump saus he wants more. This won't pass, and at best, will drive a further wedge between them.

[Edge-]

Trump saus he wants more. This won't pass, and at best, will drive a further wedge between them.

Trump wants a huge package he can run on. It will take a lot of time to negotiate.

McConnell wants something done now for the sake of Senate elections and downballot races.

If only those two Republicans could like, get together and talk this out. I know McConnell is avoiding the White House because it's a virus-infested hellhole, but like...they can call each other on the phone. Or Facetime. Or Skype. Or Zoom. Or I'm sure they have a fancy secure communications channel over video too.