Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

McConnell schedules votes for the "relief bill" with such a low price tag (as cases surge) that it could literally be the difference between Trump's and Pelosi's.

It's likely yet another attempt to say "well we tried" and shrug to waa-waa-waa-WAAAAAAAAA trumpets play. But it's both too little and too late. Pelosi can correctly say "we put up a much more effective bill months ago" and still shame McConnell.

[DarkTZeratul]

If Biden wins (and yes, I don't want to jinx it, but still), I have been thinking a lot about whether he should pardon Trump. I know he's pledged not to, and there's some part of me that wants to see that dickhead get a comeuppance, but here's my predominant thought: Trump is poison. His presence makes everything worse. He makes people angry, he promotes dumb arguments that stupid people listen to, he's a liar, etc. I don't want the next two years to be dominated by investigations of Trump. I want him to disappear. Yes he still has his business "empire" but I think that if left alone, it'll collapse of its own accord. Yes, he'll continue ripping off people stupid enough to believe in him (which has been his main source of income since he went broke in the 90s), but we just need him gone. Putting him on trial gives him a platform and keeps him in the news, and that's the last thing we need in 2021.

And in doing so, we further reinforce that if you're in a position of power, you can break whatever laws you want and suffer no consequences. That's the last message we need to send in 2021.

[Warning]

If Biden wins (and yes, I don't want to jinx it, but still), I have been thinking a lot about whether he should pardon Trump. I know he's pledged not to, and there's some part of me that wants to see that dickhead get a comeuppance, but here's my predominant thought: Trump is poison. His presence makes everything worse. He makes people angry, he promotes dumb arguments that stupid people listen to, he's a liar, etc. I don't want the next two years to be dominated by investigations of Trump. I want him to disappear. Yes he still has his business "empire" but I think that if left alone, it'll collapse of its own accord. Yes, he'll continue ripping off people stupid enough to believe in him (which has been his main source of income since he went broke in the 90s), but we just need him gone. Putting him on trial gives him a platform and keeps him in the news, and that's the last thing we need in 2021.

Yes, Fox News and conservative talk radio will still have him on the air, but conservative talk radio has been poisonous for a long time and rarely played a prominent role before 2016. New republican candidates will come to the forefront and they won't want unpredictable Trump upstaging them, so in my best case scenario, he'll fade away.

Meanwhile, if there's no pardon, he's going to keep popping up constantly, and he'll claim witch hunt and use his platform to sow more mayhem. It'll go on for years. Maybe they get in him jail in 3 years, but seriously, who wants 3 more years of Trump stories? I'd rather we just say, "Well, that was awful, let's never let that happen again" and move on.

No, the Nixon pardon was a mistake that should not be repeated. America needs a strong dose of accountability. If Trump is left out of prison he'll keep up his lying and amplifying of Russian propaganda, anti vax, anti science horseshit conspiracy theories by posting it to his 40M+ twitter followers. The media won't ignore it either, he's still an ex president after all. And even if they tried to, his narcissism would just drive him to crazier statements until they do. And bear in mind, it would be worse than anything you've seen this far. Not only will his mental decline continue, it'll be multiplied by the embarrassing loss he's suffered and the fact there will be no more people around to filter it slightly. Donald Trump is a walking, ticking national security timebomb and it should be contained.

But even beyond the danger he poses, I have to consider the implications of the act of pardoning. What does it tell future generations that read about his crimes and wrongdoing? It tells you these crimes were not that serious. It tells you the law isn't equal for everyone. It tells you "If you're a star they let you do it". That's not the moral lesson we're trying to teach here. The witch has to end up in the cauldron.

[DingDongKing]

Trump has already gotten away with it. He's freaking 75 years old and has spent 35 years living the life of a billionaire, including 4 as President where he literally got to choose 1/3 of the supreme court. Putting him in jail afterwards is a pretty empty gesture. He's won. Pretending that putting him in jail makes any difference is weak.

At minimum it'd take 2 years to get him in jail, and that will keep him in the news more than he would if his enemies made a concerted effort to ignore him. It will also encourage his allies who will continue to engage in whataboutism against every democrat in retaliation.

That said, it'd be fun if they could wring a confession out of him as part of the pardon process.

Let's not rule out the Russians poisoning him so he keeps his mouth shut about them. One can hope.

[Felya]

Trump has already gotten away with it. He's freaking 75 years old and has spent 35 years living the life of a billionaire, including 4 as President where he literally got to choose 1/3 of the supreme court. Putting him in jail afterwards is a pretty empty gesture. He's won. Pretending that putting him in jail makes any difference is weak.

If a murderer is convicted, do the people they kill return? Does that also mean they got away with it?

[SirBeef]

If Biden wins (and yes, I don't want to jinx it, but still), I have been thinking a lot about whether he should pardon Trump. I know he's pledged not to, and there's some part of me that wants to see that dickhead get a comeuppance, but here's my predominant thought: Trump is poison. His presence makes everything worse. He makes people angry, he promotes dumb arguments that stupid people listen to, he's a liar, etc. I don't want the next two years to be dominated by investigations of Trump. I want him to disappear. Yes he still has his business "empire" but I think that if left alone, it'll collapse of its own accord. Yes, he'll continue ripping off people stupid enough to believe in him (which has been his main source of income since he went broke in the 90s), but we just need him gone. Putting him on trial gives him a platform and keeps him in the news, and that's the last thing we need in 2021.

Yes, Fox News and conservative talk radio will still have him on the air, but conservative talk radio has been poisonous for a long time and rarely played a prominent role before 2016. New republican candidates will come to the forefront and they won't want unpredictable Trump upstaging them, so in my best case scenario, he'll fade away.

Meanwhile, if there's no pardon, he's going to keep popping up constantly, and he'll claim witch hunt and use his platform to sow more mayhem. It'll go on for years. Maybe they get in him jail in 3 years, but seriously, who wants 3 more years of Trump stories? I'd rather we just say, "Well, that was awful, let's never let that happen again" and move on.

Fuck his ass. No pardons for him. Could care less if his stays in the light. It will only make him look worse with all the criminal activity being shown to the people.

[Antiganon]

If Biden wins (and yes, I don't want to jinx it, but still), I have been thinking a lot about whether he should pardon Trump. I know he's pledged not to, and there's some part of me that wants to see that dickhead get a comeuppance, but here's my predominant thought: Trump is poison. His presence makes everything worse. He makes people angry, he promotes dumb arguments that stupid people listen to, he's a liar, etc. I don't want the next two years to be dominated by investigations of Trump. I want him to disappear. Yes he still has his business "empire" but I think that if left alone, it'll collapse of its own accord. Yes, he'll continue ripping off people stupid enough to believe in him (which has been his main source of income since he went broke in the 90s), but we just need him gone. Putting him on trial gives him a platform and keeps him in the news, and that's the last thing we need in 2021.

Yes, Fox News and conservative talk radio will still have him on the air, but conservative talk radio has been poisonous for a long time and rarely played a prominent role before 2016. New republican candidates will come to the forefront and they won't want unpredictable Trump upstaging them, so in my best case scenario, he'll fade away.

Meanwhile, if there's no pardon, he's going to keep popping up constantly, and he'll claim witch hunt and use his platform to sow more mayhem. It'll go on for years. Maybe they get in him jail in 3 years, but seriously, who wants 3 more years of Trump stories? I'd rather we just say, "Well, that was awful, let's never let that happen again" and move on.

He's a flight risk (and a national security risk) so it would be very easy to throw him in prison without bail while his trial proceeds. That significantly curtails his ability to lead the cult.

[Shadowferal]

No. But the point of criminal prosecution is deterrence.

Deterrence?
No.
Never has been the case.

[Antiganon]

Deterrence?
No.
Never has been the case.

Debateable.

Deter the criminal from reoffending.

Deter would-be criminals from committing the same offenses.

Provide recompense to the victims by seeing the criminal brought to justice.

Establishing that the laws of the land are not to be trifled with and breaking them results in real consequences, which is necessary to maintain order in a civil society.

[Breccia]

So let's talk about



Have you seen that wander across FB yet?

The salary of a U.S. Senator is $174,000 per year. This is Joe Biden’s house.... seems legit

-- Eric Trump

As usual, everything Trump says is a lie.

The pictured home was not currently owned by Joe Biden, it was not his current residence, and the property was — at one time — not outrageously outside Biden’s price range.

The pictured estate was a 5-bedroom, 10,000-square-foot former DuPont mansion at 6 Montchan Dr. in the Greenville area of Wilmington, Delaware, which was formerly owned by Biden. Way back in 1974, Biden (then a freshman U.S. Senator and a recent widower) was able to purchase the property for a mere $185,000 because the abandoned home was badly run-down and in need of major repairs.

After fixing up the home and living in it for two decades, Biden sold it in 1996 for $1.2 million — well over twenty years before Eric Trump’s accusatory tweet declaring it to still be “Joe Biden’s house.”

Oh, and I can't wait to see any of the rabid fanbase say "Well uh, uh, a politician shouldn't be making money in real estate!" because anyone who even thinks that while defending Trump, fuck you.

[fwc577]

If Biden wins (and yes, I don't want to jinx it, but still), I have been thinking a lot about whether he should pardon Trump. I know he's pledged not to, and there's some part of me that wants to see that dickhead get a comeuppance, but here's my predominant thought: Trump is poison. His presence makes everything worse. He makes people angry, he promotes dumb arguments that stupid people listen to, he's a liar, etc. I don't want the next two years to be dominated by investigations of Trump. I want him to disappear. Yes he still has his business "empire" but I think that if left alone, it'll collapse of its own accord. Yes, he'll continue ripping off people stupid enough to believe in him (which has been his main source of income since he went broke in the 90s), but we just need him gone. Putting him on trial gives him a platform and keeps him in the news, and that's the last thing we need in 2021.

Yes, Fox News and conservative talk radio will still have him on the air, but conservative talk radio has been poisonous for a long time and rarely played a prominent role before 2016. New republican candidates will come to the forefront and they won't want unpredictable Trump upstaging them, so in my best case scenario, he'll fade away.

Meanwhile, if there's no pardon, he's going to keep popping up constantly, and he'll claim witch hunt and use his platform to sow more mayhem. It'll go on for years. Maybe they get in him jail in 3 years, but seriously, who wants 3 more years of Trump stories? I'd rather we just say, "Well, that was awful, let's never let that happen again" and move on.

Nope. Throw the fucker in jail. If you think you're going to get away from Trump if you just ignore him, you're not going to be able to ignore him because he's going to spend the next 4 years campaigning for 2024.

[Fugus]

If Biden wins (and yes, I don't want to jinx it, but still), I have been thinking a lot about whether he should pardon Trump. I know he's pledged not to, and there's some part of me that wants to see that dickhead get a comeuppance, but here's my predominant thought: Trump is poison. His presence makes everything worse. He makes people angry, he promotes dumb arguments that stupid people listen to, he's a liar, etc. I don't want the next two years to be dominated by investigations of Trump. I want him to disappear. Yes he still has his business "empire" but I think that if left alone, it'll collapse of its own accord. Yes, he'll continue ripping off people stupid enough to believe in him (which has been his main source of income since he went broke in the 90s), but we just need him gone. Putting him on trial gives him a platform and keeps him in the news, and that's the last thing we need in 2021.

Yes, Fox News and conservative talk radio will still have him on the air, but conservative talk radio has been poisonous for a long time and rarely played a prominent role before 2016. New republican candidates will come to the forefront and they won't want unpredictable Trump upstaging them, so in my best case scenario, he'll fade away.

Meanwhile, if there's no pardon, he's going to keep popping up constantly, and he'll claim witch hunt and use his platform to sow more mayhem. It'll go on for years. Maybe they get in him jail in 3 years, but seriously, who wants 3 more years of Trump stories? I'd rather we just say, "Well, that was awful, let's never let that happen again" and move on.

If Trump is pardoned, then the Democrats have proven once again that they are completely spineless and further emboldened the Republicans to fuck around and do even worse the next time they get any iota of power because there is not consequences for them.

Sorry but watching Trump make the occasional headline from prison whether it being when he goes into rants or if he gets raped by people he called thugs and rapists or he gets beat up trying to pretend he is better than everyone and all that and dealing with his cult raging that accountability can actually apply to them as well is the far superior option.

Otherwise the cult can continue to believe even more they are in the right because otherwise they would have had consequences, we have the Republicans seeing just how far they can push things and those dickless Democrats still won't have ball one to do something about it and all the other stuff is by far the worse option.

[eschatological]

Nope. Throw the fucker in jail. If you think you're going to get away from Trump if you just ignore him, you're not going to be able to ignore him because he's going to spend the next 4 years campaigning for 2024.

The best part is Trump would have to be in protective custody and be virtually in isolation for security reasons, if he's put in jail. Can you imagine how mad that'd make him?

FWIW, I don't think he'll see jail time, even if convicted of tax fraud. White collar criminals generally have the lightest sentencing ever, he can probably escape with house arrest in Trump Tower, if NY still wants his dumb ass.

[Shadowferal]

Debateable.

Deter the criminal from reoffending.

Deter would-be criminals from committing the same offenses..

Thousands of years of civilization isn't up for debate.
If it were then every day before today should have proven you wrong.

[Lanrefni]

The best part is Trump would have to be in protective custody and be virtually in isolation for security reasons, if he's put in jail. Can you imagine how mad that'd make him?

FWIW, I don't think he'll see jail time, even if convicted of tax fraud. White collar criminals generally have the lightest sentencing ever, he can probably escape with house arrest in Trump Tower, if NY still wants his dumb ass.

Won't be Trump Tower if he can't come up with the money to repay the loan coming due in a couple years.

[Adam Jensen]

He's a flight risk (and a national security risk) so it would be very easy to throw him in prison without bail while his trial proceeds. That significantly curtails his ability to lead the cult.

I mean he did hint about leaving the country if he loses in November.

[DingDongKing]

A lot of this is conjecture. What I’m more annoyed about is flagrant the conspiracy theory peddling has gotten since the Post article. The Daily Mail has done another ‘scandal’ article today as well. But the entire article falls apart when it claims that the prosecutor who Biden got fired was investigating Burisma. He wasn’t. But it’s not like the Mail cares. It’s just another rag. Hunter Biden’s work has no connection to Joe, so all they’re doing is making a case for the Trumps to investigated further, since they’re genuinely profiting off public office.

[Breccia]

Pompeo warns the world that arms sales to Iran will result in sanctions.

"But Trump left the Iran Nuclear Deal."

Yes.

"Which they're still technically following."

Yes.

"So...Trump has no moral authority here."

Not really, no. Hey, I'm not a huge fan of selling arms to Iran either, don't get me wrong. But it's kind of like saying "don't sell pot" in Colorado at this point.

[Antiganon]

Thousands of years of civilization isn't up for debate.
If it were then every day before today should have proven you wrong.

Talking about the intent, not about whether it works as intended.

[Waniou]

So let's talk about



Have you seen that wander across FB yet?


-- Eric Trump

As usual, everything Trump says is a lie.



Oh, and I can't wait to see any of the rabid fanbase say "Well uh, uh, a politician shouldn't be making money in real estate!" because anyone who even thinks that while defending Trump, fuck you.

I saw a good reply to that tweet as well that pointed out that because Biden actually released his tax returns, we know exactly where his money comes from anyway, mostly book deals.