Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[D Luniz]

Coming back into the spotlight are the NDA's that Trump made WH employees sign. As a reminder, with the exception of classified info (and WH staffers who aren't Kushner or Ivanka pass background checks) they're not typically required to do this.

Problem is, if someone breaks the NDA and, say, the DOJ sues them, that's admission what they said is true. You can't sue someone for breaking an NDA when they make shit up, that's slander, libel, or fan fiction. So it seems kind of counterproductive.

and isn't there a rather high chance that as public employees, the NDA is worth less than the paper it was printed on?

[Machismo]

If Biden wins (and yes, I don't want to jinx it, but still), I have been thinking a lot about whether he should pardon Trump. I know he's pledged not to, and there's some part of me that wants to see that dickhead get a comeuppance, but here's my predominant thought: Trump is poison. His presence makes everything worse. He makes people angry, he promotes dumb arguments that stupid people listen to, he's a liar, etc. I don't want the next two years to be dominated by investigations of Trump. I want him to disappear. Yes he still has his business "empire" but I think that if left alone, it'll collapse of its own accord. Yes, he'll continue ripping off people stupid enough to believe in him (which has been his main source of income since he went broke in the 90s), but we just need him gone. Putting him on trial gives him a platform and keeps him in the news, and that's the last thing we need in 2021.

Yes, Fox News and conservative talk radio will still have him on the air, but conservative talk radio has been poisonous for a long time and rarely played a prominent role before 2016. New republican candidates will come to the forefront and they won't want unpredictable Trump upstaging them, so in my best case scenario, he'll fade away.

Meanwhile, if there's no pardon, he's going to keep popping up constantly, and he'll claim witch hunt and use his platform to sow more mayhem. It'll go on for years. Maybe they get in him jail in 3 years, but seriously, who wants 3 more years of Trump stories? I'd rather we just say, "Well, that was awful, let's never let that happen again" and move on.

Nope, all Biden has to do, is say he's a "law and order" President, and will let the evidence and courts make such decisions.

[Hinastorm]

The best part is Trump would have to be in protective custody and be virtually in isolation for security reasons, if he's put in jail. Can you imagine how mad that'd make him?

FWIW, I don't think he'll see jail time, even if convicted of tax fraud. White collar criminals generally have the lightest sentencing ever, he can probably escape with house arrest in Trump Tower, if NY still wants his dumb ass.

He needs to be another Lori Loughlin.

Ya, he's never going to go to jail for the appropriate amount of time he should. We all know this. But the very least we could do his throw him in there for at LEAST a few months as an example.

And he already changed his residency to Florida, if you weren't aware. He fully knows he's no longer welcome in NY. It's probably a legal avoidance tactic as well.

[Breccia]

and isn't there a rather high chance that as public employees, the NDA is worth less than the paper it was printed on?

Hard to say, there hasn't really been a case like this before. Most Presidents haven't felt the need to do this.

[cubby]

Nope. Throw the fucker in jail. If you think you're going to get away from Trump if you just ignore him, you're not going to be able to ignore him because he's going to spend the next 4 years campaigning for 2024.

I agree - Trump losing in November will just fuel his 2024 campaign. And while @Scrod's ideas are noble and perhaps pragmatic, Trump is pure poison for the country and the world. The only way to deal with him is by taking him down through the legal process.

[PhaelixWW]

What a SHITSHOW...

Trump's new favorite covid advisor, Dr. Scott Atlas, has been "censored" (/s ) by Twitter. Atlas, it should be pointed out, is not an immunologist, an epidemiologist, or even a public health expert. He's a radiologist. Oh, and he's a Trump yes-man, which is honestly the only reason anyone is even bothering to read his tweets on covid.

Forbes: Twitter Removes Tweet From Top Trump Covid Adviser Doubting Mask Effectiveness

I won't even bother posting the article itself. You know all you need to from this title.

[Gorsameth]

The best part is Trump would have to be in protective custody and be virtually in isolation for security reasons, if he's put in jail. Can you imagine how mad that'd make him?

FWIW, I don't think he'll see jail time, even if convicted of tax fraud. White collar criminals generally have the lightest sentencing ever, he can probably escape with house arrest in Trump Tower, if NY still wants his dumb ass.

I could see him getting house arrest instead of actual jail time because of the issues surrounding protecting a former President in jail.

[cubby]

The best part is Trump would have to be in protective custody and be virtually in isolation for security reasons, if he's put in jail. Can you imagine how mad that'd make him?

FWIW, I don't think he'll see jail time, even if convicted of tax fraud. White collar criminals generally have the lightest sentencing ever, he can probably escape with house arrest in Trump Tower, if NY still wants his dumb ass.

It would be fantastic - and I agree, he won't see actual jail time, but rather house arrest - and that would be about the same as jail for him. Never leaving. Never traveling.

[DingDongKing]

How about actually first making sure Biden wins? This will all be a gigantic waste if Trump doesn’t lose, which is still highly possible.

[Captain N]

It would be fantastic - and I agree, he won't see actual jail time, but rather house arrest - and that would be about the same as jail for him. Never leaving. Never traveling.

So he'll have to endure what his failure at leadership during COVID-19 has done and will again do to the population of the country? I see nothing wrong with this.

[Breccia]

Panicked and desperate, Trump calls Biden's family corrupt and criminal and leads a chant of "lock him up".

Forgeting, of course, that the family facing criminal charges is his.

[Zaydin]

How about actually first making sure Biden wins? This will all be a gigantic waste if Trump doesn’t lose, which is still highly possible.

Possible, sure, but I'm not so sure about the 'highly possible' part. Five Thirty Eight currently gives Trump a 12 in 100 chance of winning. Pollsters corrected their models for the errors in 2016 and the odds of them being wrong again two elections in a row seems slim.

That being said I am still terrified that he might win again somehow. I won't rest easy until Joe Biden is sworn in if he wins, god willing.

[DingDongKing]

That being said I am still terrified that he might win again somehow. I won't rest easy until Joe Biden is sworn in if he wins, god willing.

This is the bit really for me. I’m not going to rest easy until it’s completely done. And I’m not even American. I just know full well the damage a second Trump term will do on the world.

[Benggaul]

That being said I am still terrified that he might win again somehow. I won't rest easy until Joe Biden is sworn in if he wins, god willing.

Until the votes are counted I'm not celebrating. There are still plenty of ways for the GOP and their lackeys to fuck the process between now and November. I want to see MORE early voting happening and more mail-in votes being verified. It's going to take a record-breaking turnout in several battleground states to overcome the USPS fuckery, voter suppression and voter intimidation in the works.

[Zaydin]

This is the bit really for me. I’m not going to rest easy until it’s completely done. And I’m not even American. I just know full well the damage a second Trump term will do on the world.

For what it's worth, Trump has an extremely steep battle to have a chance at winning according to 270 to Wins Consensus Electoral Map.

Like I said, I'm not going to rest easy until Biden takes office. I already cast my vote here in Florida; dropped my mail in ballot off at my counties election supervisors office last Saturday and got confirmation on Tuesday that it got counted.

[Belize]

Like I said, I'm not going to rest easy until Trump takes office.

Um


Typo there.

[DingDongKing]

It’s this kinda stuff that worries me. Where these allegations and conspiracies against Biden will trick vulnerable voters, and I hate that it’s so easy to do that. Dems need to take down the Trump kids.

[Zaydin]

Um


Typo there.

Bleh, I'm too anxious/nervous for my own good. Fixed it.

[DingDongKing]

For what it's worth, Trump has an extremely steep battle to have a chance at winning according to 270 to Wins Consensus Electoral Map.

Like I said, I'm not going to rest easy until Biden takes office. I already cast my vote here in Florida; dropped my mail in ballot off at my counties election supervisors office last Saturday and got confirmation on Tuesday that it got counted.

Assuming it goes down to the proper wire, this is the least Biden needs to win.

[Breccia]

Dems need to take down the Trump kids.

I mean, there's a fine line between "attacking someone by going their family is ruthless" and "Trump's family are also criminals and freely attacking so it's fair game".