Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[pathora44]

@Benggaul I know we’ve seen things like this mentioned before, but re-infected after 1 month??? From that article you linked:

There is no evidence of immunity after being infected by Covid and in fact there is evidence that any antibodies the body develops to fight Covid are forgotten because the case is to mild for the body to remember the antibodies. Hence why the idea of fighting Covid with herd immunity is scaring the shit out of the legitimate health community and scientists.

[Benggaul]

@Benggaul I know we’ve seen things like this mentioned before, but re-infected after 1 month??? From that article you linked:

Yep, I've been looking for a confirmation on that. It seems to be more common than we think--OR it's a case of faulty tests or false-positives. I do know it's at least the second or third case I've read about in the past month.

[Paranoid Android]

And it turns out, to utterly no one's surprise, Trump has maintained Chinese bank accounts.

Can't wait to see this guy indicted. I believe @Breccia is heading up that effort along with NYState.

maga! Hey Trumpkins, do you have a Chinese bank account.

You were conned. I know it hurts to admit it. But admit it. Let go of this piece of crap.

[Breccia]

We all knew this was coming

A U.S. Postal Service inspector general report out Tuesday found changes implemented by Postmaster General Louis DeJoy led to "confusion and inconsistency in operations at postal facilities" that "compounded the significant negative service impacts across the country."

The IG report concluded that the changes led to on-time delivery performance of priority and first class mail worsened. "No analysis of the service impacts of these various changes was conducted and documentation and guidance to the field for these strategies was very limited and almost exclusively oral," the report notes.

The USPS initiated "significant cost reduction strategies on top of three initiatives the Postmaster General launched to achieve financial targets" between June and July, per the report.

"These initiatives undertaken individually may not have been significant," the report notes. "However, launching all of these efforts at once, in addition to the changes instituted by the Postmaster General, had a significant impact on the Postal Service."

Trump intentionally attacked the USPS, making things worse on purpose.

[pathora44]

We all knew this was coming



Trump intentionally attacked the USPS, making things worse on purpose.

Gee it is almost like Trump has said publicly that he wants the USPS to fail and to privatize it with UPS, FedEx, etc...

[PhaelixWW]

There is no evidence of immunity after being infected by Covid and in fact there is evidence that any antibodies the body develops to fight Covid are forgotten because the case is to mild for the body to remember the antibodies. Hence why the idea of fighting Covid with herd immunity is scaring the shit out of the legitimate health community and scientists.

Not entirely true. There's absolutely evidence of immunity after recovery, just not necessarily permanent immunity. There's also no evidence that permanent immunity isn't possible, either, though it's thought to be unlikely. Antibodies naturally fade over time, but B-cells and T-cells remain.

A supposed "reinfection" after only 1 month is far more likely to be a resurgence of the original infection, rather than a new one. True, proven reinfections are exceedingly rare; only a handful are confirmed to have happened. And with something as complex as the human immune system, true reinfections that happen so rarely cannot be considered to be hard proof of eventual loss of immunity...

...yet.

Of course, the general consensus among the scientific papers that I've read suggest that natural immunity won't last forever. The other coronaviruses that commonly affect humans provide immunity lasting around a year. SARS, on the other hand, seemed to provide immunity that lasts for at least several years.

The rate at which COVID antibodies fade would imply that the immunity will probably be closer to 1 year rather than 5 years, but there's just not enough evidence yet to tell.

[Breccia]

Mandatory filings say Biden has a massive cash advantage. $177 million to $61 million, to be precise.

[Elegiac]

Mandatory filings say Biden has a massive cash advantage. $177 million to $61 million, to be precise.

Iirc Trump just spent all but $10 million on his last round of TV ads.

Not one of the campaigns going broke before the election even happens, lol.

[Breccia]

Iirc Trump just spent all but $10 million on his last round of TV ads.

This doesn't count PACs or the like, but, Trump is definitely running low.

[Elegiac]

This doesn't count PACs or the like, but, Trump is definitely running low.

More troubling I think is the earlier reporting that they were having to spend something like 70 cents to get a dollar return in donations; that to me reads that small donors have been tapped out for Trump, or there aren't enough of them.

[Breccia]

that to me reads that small donors have been tapped out for Trump, or there aren't enough of them.

Or, funny story, maybe they need their money because the economy crashed.

[nonameelf]

Iirc Trump just spent all but $10 million on his last round of TV ads.

Not one of the campaigns going broke before the election even happens, lol.

Trump bankrupting something? That would never happen, he's a stable genius businessman.

[cubby]

More troubling I think is the earlier reporting that they were having to spend something like 70 cents to get a dollar return in donations; that to me reads that small donors have been tapped out for Trump, or there aren't enough of them.

That is nuts - and looking at it, it's almost a pyramid scheme.

[Breccia]

Trump bankrupting something? That would never happen, he's a stable genius businessman.

Actually let's expand that line of thinking.

We all remember, last time, Trump loaned his campaign money and yes charged interest. Of course, the idea was to reclaim it from donations. (He would later forgive the loans, but only after being shamed into it)

Has he done that this time? Has he given anything this time? I mean, he paid his own businesses $2.3 million at least, yes that's more than the Presidential salary for those of you keeping track, and that's not counting his own legal fees, but has he given anything? And we know he said he would donate but are there records of it happening?

"Well Biden hasn't--"

Biden doesn't claim to be worth ten billion dollars. Biden never claimed he was self funding. Trump did, he lied, but Biden never did.

To time for another 24 hour challenge. How much has Trump given to his 2020 campaign? The best I could find was that the top ten donors gave $1.3 million or more, and none of them were Trump. Meaning, yes, Trump has currently made at least a million from his campaign -- assuming he matched the #10 spot.

Anyone want to contribute? Trump supporters in particular, are you willing to find the exact dollar amount Trump has donated or loaned to his 2020 campaign? Because if you can't find it, I'll just say it's zero, therefore he's profited by taking money from his campaign donations, and you have to accept that. Also if you don't even look you admit you're a coward.

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Oh I forgot to mention: last month the NYTimes had an article explaining where Trump's mpney went.

For one, they say Trump paid himself a total of $4 million since 2019.

For two, they say Trump spent over $100,000 on magnetic pouches, which potential donors would put their phones in during fund raisers, so they could not record Trump and leak the audio.

[arandomuser]

the cognitive dissonence of trump supporters
"trumps america first!"
but he paid more taxes in china than america
"its because hes a smart business man"

but u gotta remember these guys will make up alot of fake populist reasons
the reason they are voting for trump is because of his stances on race, immigration, and lgbtq, they are just too cowardly to admit it

[Breccia]

CBS News has more on the COVID relief bil. Some is stuff we already knew.

But some is new to me, at least.

1) McConnell apparently had called Trump and begged him not to make any kind of deal before the election. As we're now seeing, because Pelosi and Mnuchin both admit in public they're getting closer, Trump ignored McConnell.

2) It would take 13 GOP Senators to vote "yes" for it to pass. Sen. Thune suggested earlier that doing such at Pelosi's $2.4 trillion or the new higher number Trump apparently wants would be tricky.

3) Then there's the time frame. McConnell wants that SCOTUS judge more than he wants to help sick, poor, or hungry Americans. I think he's waiting the election out, and will vote yes/no on a deal based on who's President next.

[Adam Jensen]

I think Trump had his first re-election rally within a month of being inaugurated, as for voting in Biden, I already voted, and I can only vote once despite ghostpanther's "concerns".

Nah it's okay, the President did say to vote twice.

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And it turns out, to utterly no one's surprise, Trump has maintained Chinese bank accounts.

Can't wait to see this guy indicted. I believe @Breccia is heading up that effort along with NYState.

Less than 13 days.
Less than 13 fucking days.

May Joe Biden win because I cannot stand how stupid this keeps getting.

[Gerron]

Actually let's expand that line of thinking.

We all remember, last time, Trump loaned his campaign money and yes charged interest. Of course, the idea was to reclaim it from donations. (He would later forgive the loans, but only after being shamed into it)

Has he done that this time? Has he given anything this time? I mean, he paid his own businesses $2.3 million at least, yes that's more than the Presidential salary for those of you keeping track, and that's not counting his own legal fees, but has he given anything? And we know he said he would donate but are there records of it happening?

"Well Biden hasn't--"

Biden doesn't claim to be worth ten billion dollars. Biden never claimed he was self funding. Trump did, he lied, but Biden never did.

To time for another 24 hour challenge. How much has Trump given to his 2020 campaign? The best I could find was that the top ten donors gave $1.3 million or more, and none of them were Trump. Meaning, yes, Trump has currently made at least a million from his campaign -- assuming he matched the #10 spot.

Anyone want to contribute? Trump supporters in particular, are you willing to find the exact dollar amount Trump has donated or loaned to his 2020 campaign? Because if you can't find it, I'll just say it's zero, therefore he's profited by taking money from his campaign donations, and you have to accept that. Also if you don't even look you admit you're a coward.

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Oh I forgot to mention: last month the NYTimes had an article explaining where Trump's mpney went.

For one, they say Trump paid himself a total of $4 million since 2019.

For two, they say Trump spent over $100,000 on magnetic pouches, which potential donors would put their phones in during fund raisers, so they could not record Trump and leak the audio.

I was just reading this and thinking how much of a scam WinRed has been. Wonder if the GOP will bother to investigate what happened to all that money if Trump loses....

[Dontrike]

https://www.axios.com/k-12-reopening...3914002c4.html

That's pretty interesting. Open up the schools and follow the science.

The school district I live in just shut down three schools nine days ago because the virus broke out.

[arandomuser]

CBS News has more on the COVID relief bil. Some is stuff we already knew.

But some is new to me, at least.

1) McConnell apparently had called Trump and begged him not to make any kind of deal before the election. As we're now seeing, because Pelosi and Mnuchin both admit in public they're getting closer, Trump ignored McConnell.

2) It would take 13 GOP Senators to vote "yes" for it to pass. Sen. Thune suggested earlier that doing such at Pelosi's $2.4 trillion or the new higher number Trump apparently wants would be tricky.

3) Then there's the time frame. McConnell wants that SCOTUS judge more than he wants to help sick, poor, or hungry Americans. I think he's waiting the election out, and will vote yes/no on a deal based on who's President next.

mcconell seems to think trump will lose, so passing a stimulus before to possibly help a biden presidency is a no go, also reublicans plan to go suddenly care about the deficit again if biden wins and derail his economy with spending cuts like they did obama,