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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeic View Post
    the mortality rate is a lot higher for older individuals with comorbidities, but unless he is already suffering from some form of pneumonia or clotting issues, he still has a better chance of living than dying.

    Also, to the people worried that this will make him sympathetic, it won't. Sympathy isn't a given because something bad has happened to a person, that person has to first be of the quality that people can find them sympathetic. A man who whines about people constantly being unfair to him, constantly belittling everyone, and consistently downplaying the severity of COVID-19 is not a sympathetic person. People are growing weary of Trump, even his supporters (I was eavesdropping in on a Trumper discussing how well Trump did in the debate, and he was not surprisingly singing the praises of how Trump owned Biden, but he did mention unprovoked that he could have done without all the interrupting and that it was very off-putting).
    Well If the mini stroke thing is actually a thing, that could cause potential problems with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeic View Post
    the mortality rate is a lot higher for older individuals with comorbidities, but unless he is already suffering from some form of pneumonia or clotting issues, he still has a better chance of living than dying.

    Also, to the people worried that this will make him sympathetic, it won't. Sympathy isn't a given because something bad has happened to a person, that person has to first be of the quality that people can find them sympathetic. A man who whines about people constantly being unfair to him, constantly belittling everyone, and consistently downplaying the severity of COVID-19 is not a sympathetic person. People are growing weary of Trump, even his supporters (I was eavesdropping in on a Trumper discussing how well Trump did in the debate, and he was not surprisingly singing the praises of how Trump owned Biden, but he did mention unprovoked that he could have done without all the interrupting and that it was very off-putting).
    I wish this was the case. Unfortunately, people will try and spin this for all it's worth, and it may, indeed, garner some sympathy for him. Moreover, if he beats it (which i assume is what will happen) he'll be seen as stronger for it. A veritable "who better to lead the fight against the coronavirus in 2021 than someone that beat it themself?" bullshit talking point.
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    I wish this was the case. Unfortunately, people will try and spin this for all it's worth, and it may, indeed, garner some sympathy for him. Moreover, if he beats it (which i assume is what will happen) he'll be seen as stronger for it. A veritable "who better to lead the fight against the coronavirus in 2021 than someone that beat it themself?" bullshit talking point.
    Or he survives but it leaves his mental abilities more fucked than they already are.

    A lot people survive but are left with some serious and noticeable after effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I wish this was the case. Unfortunately, people will try and spin this for all it's worth, and it may, indeed, garner some sympathy for him. Moreover, if he beats it (which i assume is what will happen) he'll be seen as stronger for it. A veritable "who better to lead the fight against the coronavirus in 2021 than someone that beat it themself?" bullshit talking point.
    The point is, he could beat it.. But people are voting right now, and he could be out of comission until after nov-3
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    Wait, did Trump just condemn white supremacists because he thought he might be dying and realized he's going to Hell if he doesn't change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    The man who ruined the debates by pretending to be strong could spend a few days bed-ridden with what he called the flu. There won't be another chance like this.
    A chance to throw the election you mean. By all means have Biden and the Democrats act like complete assholes right now and see how far that gets you. The best thing they could is keep quiet, offer their prayers and go win in November.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    The point is, he could beat it.. But people are voting right now, and he could be out of comission until after nov-3
    Sure enough, but unfortunately this isn't about convincing the public at large. The public at large, like in 2016, will not vote for Trump and weren't going to. This is about the electoral college, and this is about convincing the handful of undecided snowflakes in the tiny boroughs of swing states that could tip the vote one way or the other. And they're exactly the kind of generally ill-informed (hence being undecided at this point) louts who would be swayed by "Trump being so brave fighting the virus" or "Biden being a bully, criticizing Trump while he's sick."

    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    A chance to throw the election you mean. By all means have Biden and the Democrats act like complete assholes right now and see how far that gets you. The best thing they could is keep quiet, offer their prayers and go win in November.
    Biden and Harris should say next to nothing on the matter beyond "thoughts and prayers."

    But other democratic politicians? They should very much push a tasteful angle of "we told you it was a threat."
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    But Trump wouldn't see it that way. Trump would see it as weakness. And Beanman's point is spot on - Trump couldn't give up what he loves doing the most, he never has, and he never will.
    Maybe you're right. My first instinct is to doubt literally anything Trump utters. For instance, I never really believed Trump's behavior matched his constant downplaying of the seriousness of the virus. He knows it's serious and yet he lies to the public because he thinks it will benefit him to do so.

    For his supporters that actually buy his bullshit, sure, it's only a matter of time before they get it: they actually behave in unsafe ways and they also don't have an army of people around them testing anyone and everyone before they're allowed to interact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    By all means have Biden and the Democrats act like complete assholes right now
    Someone hasn't been reading very well. I specifically said that Biden should leave all the medical attacks to people who weren't him.

    Biden can and should continue to put his message out there, while attacking Trump's dismal failure of a record, in any subject except COVID. PAC basically hired goons can do that, plus, you know, reality. But the election is in about five weeks and Biden's not going to give up two out of charity to the man who has none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Thoughts and prayers.
    It is what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Biden and Harris should say next to nothing on the matter beyond "thoughts and prayers."

    But other democratic politicians? They should very much push a tasteful angle of "we told you it was a threat."
    So what they can feel good about themselves, when many of those people have their own elections to win.
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    I am going to take one for the team here and get a ban for everyone that wants to say it but cant bc they are afraid they will be banned

    I hope Trump dies. Like the dude is genuinely irredeemable. I'll throw a party if he dies even if it does violate state restrictions
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    Fox is having to explain to its viewers what coronavirus is.

    God really should fire whichever angel scripted 2020 for this writing it's too on the nose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    A chance to throw the election you mean. By all means have Biden and the Democrats act like complete assholes right now and see how far that gets you. The best thing they could is keep quiet, offer their prayers and go win in November.
    Agreed. Biden should only say "we wish the president a speedy recovery from this horrible disease, and pray he doesn't join the thousands of people that have already died from this very serious disease."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    "Biden being a bully, criticizing Trump while he's sick."
    Yeah, boo fuckity hoo. You don't get to murder 200,000 Americans than say "time out, I have the Kung Flu, you're not allowed to compaign against me".

    Biden needs to continue pointing out Trump's shitty record without specifically calling him out for being sick. Everything else is fair game. I don't think there's a clause in the Constitution for a time out.

    Besides, again, for all we know the real test will come back negative and he'll be back to swaggering and lying in a couple days.

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    I am going to take one for the team here and get a ban for everyone that wants to say it but cant bc they are afraid they will be banned

    I hope Trump dies. Like the dude is genuinely irredeemable. I'll throw a party if he dies even if it does violate state restrictions
    I buried my mother this week. I wouldn't wish what I have gone through this week, and the years of what she went through leading up to it (she died of cancer) on not a soul on this planet. You are hoping someone dies because you disagree with them politically. And you call Trump irredeemable.
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    We're all doomed. Let these retards shuffle the chairs on the titanic. They can die in a safe space if they want to... Whatever. What a miserable joke this life is. I can't wait until it's all finally over and I can return to the sweet oblivion of the void.

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    Didnt bolsonaro and johnson get a simpathy bump after their respective covid cases?
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    pence gotta quarantine, trump's whole staff gotta quarantine, pelosi soon to be sworn in? idk how anyone can run the country while you and your whole staff are quarantined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fincayra View Post
    I buried my mother this week. I wouldn't wish what I have gone through this week, and the years of what she went through leading up to it (she died of cancer) on not a soul on this planet. You are hoping someone dies because you disagree with them politically. And you call Trump irredeemable.
    Did your mother undertake courses of action that lead to the preventable deaths of hundreds of thousands of people? No?

    Then get out of here with that false equivalency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    So what they can feel good about themselves, when many of those people have their own elections to win.
    ...to drive home the point that yes, the virus was a threat, yes, Trump lied about it, and yes, the republican party at large were complicit with the lie the entire time.

    These other politicians aren't running against Trump. Making this whole botched coronavirus response "taboo" to talk about, when it is probably the single largest factor in obliterating Trump's shot at any legitimate reelection, is probably the best possible outcome for Trump right now. It still needs to be needled, but not in a way that makes it seem like Biden or Harris specifically are taunting Trump. The mismanagement needs to remain on people's minds.

    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Yeah, boo fuckity hoo. You don't get to murder 200,000 Americans than say "time out, I have the Kung Flu, you're not allowed to compaign against me".

    Biden needs to continue pointing out Trump's shitty record without specifically calling him out for being sick. Everything else is fair game. I don't think there's a clause in the Constitution for a time out.

    Besides, again, for all we know the real test will come back negative and he'll be back to swaggering and lying in a couple days.
    Again, I don't think for a second that Trump doesn't continue to deserve every single bit of condemnation coming to him about his thoroughly botched and mismanaged, from top to bottom, coronavirus response, sick or not.

    But you don't have to convince me. Like I said, you're shoring up the votes in those swing states. And these are, like I said, the ill-informed, news-soundbite following people who will absolutely be put off by the most recent thing they hear and see, especially if it's Biden "bullying a poor bed-ridden Trump. He's such a brave lil' trooper!"
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