Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[fwc577]

So, I took a look at polls 2016 vs 2020 now that the NY Times polls are out today for state level.

Comparing them to the last poll with a high LV sampling size in 2016, I'm seeing the following:

2016 State - <Percentage of voters supporting a major party> (Who won in 2016) (Final polling average)
2020 State - <Percentage of voters supporting a major party> (NY Times polling)

2016 Wisconsin - 90% (won by Trump 0.7%) (Clinton +7)
2020 Wisconsin - 93% (Biden +11)
2016 Pennsylvania - 91% (won by Trump 0.7%) (Clinton +4)
2020 Pennsylvania - 92% (Biden +6)
2016 Florida - 90% (won by Trump 1.2%) (Clinton +.5)
2020 Florida - 91% (Biden +3)
2016 Arizona - 89% (won by Trump 3.5%) (Trump +3)
2020 Arizona - 93% (Biden +6)


So, we have more people in this election who have thrown their support behind a major political party (less 3rd party interference / less undecided voters).

We have higher percentages for Biden than Clinton had / We have razor slim margins that Trump won by when he was behind in the polls by less than he is in 2020.

We have Arizona completely flipping to Biden from Trump.

All of this makes me feel good 49 hours before I cast my vote.

[Kaleredar]

His approval numbers are still unbelievably way too high. What are 44% seeing in this fraud. I can't believe all of them just want to "own the libs". Or is the bar for acceptable just so low that you would have to literately shit the bed on live tv to limbo under it.

I think it's predominantly a factor of people who just blindly support anyone with an R next to their name. Maybe they don't like what Trump does, but he says he supports guns, he says he supports low taxes, he says he's tough on illegal immigrants, and he says he supports God and Christianity.

Whether Trump does support any of those things beyond mere lip service is irrelevant; they like that he says he does, and they're willing to throw their lot in with a man who tells them what they want to hear regardless of whether they do it.

Couple that with them being told by their media sources that the liberals are going to come and take or defile those things, and you see the rampant support for Trump, a man who many of them don't actually like, because they believe he's the only thing saving America from some socialist hellhole.

[arandomuser]

https://www.newsweek.com/protesters-...-biden-1543842
lollol
no one has done as much as barr to protect trump from criminal liability and impeachment, but his supporters think hes part of the deep state because they wanted a comey weiner laptop moment and he actually ended up being less of a hack than comey, so they are dissapointed

[Powerogue]

Let's address that bolded statement.

How many times has Trump attacked Fauci? Was it before, or after, Friday? I think Trump attacked Fauci multiple times before Friday.

Has Fauci praised Trump throughout the pandemic?

Isn't the bolded statement just referring to the time Fauci was maliciously taken out of context and he wasn't even talking about Trump, but rather the group that Fauci himself was a part of, and how they were doing the best they can.

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His approval numbers are still unbelievably way too high. What are 44% seeing in this fraud. I can't believe all of them just want to "own the libs". Or is the bar for acceptable just so low that you would have to literately shit the bed on live tv to limbo under it.

After what we've seen, I am definitely confident if Donald Trump shat himself on live TV during one of his speeches he wouldn't lose more than 1% of his supporters. Or maybe he'd yell "...my underwear is like the liberals, I shit all over them!" to an overwhelming applause.

[Paranoid Android]

White House pandemic adviser Dr. Scott Atlas appears on Russian state media and dismisses predictions about Covid-19 deaths in US https://t.co/fAXOIM17t7 https://t.co/pxigf5YdOG

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/13...171187201?s=19

What a clown show. We have come to this a Trumper on Russian television doing their bidding.

[Belize]

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/13...171187201?s=19

What a clown show. We have come to this a Trumper on Russian television doing their bidding.

Maybe he's looking for a job after Nov. 3rd

[Forogil]

Without evidence.

Well, I emphasised that it was a common argument - not that it was a good argument.

The trade war with China failed, he never got the job growth rate he promised, he never got the GDP growth rate he promised, the deficit was ballooning out of control (and he did sign every budget...eventually),

An interesting twist is that protectionism (including trade wars) and ballooning deficit is often perceived as "left-wing".

[Breccia]

An interesting twist is that protectionism (including trade wars) and ballooning deficit is often perceived as "left-wing".

"Perceived"?

I have been following politics since Reagan and ballooning deficit was 100% a Republican issue in that time frame. We're just seeing it in far more detail now.

[YUPPIE]

whatever happened to Trump's wall plan by the way

[Blur4stuff]

Mostly fencing has been put up and repairs done to existing walls. Meanwhile contractors are getting paid for way more than the work that's actually been done.

And Mexico still isn't paying for it.

[Forogil]

"Perceived"?

I have been following politics since Reagan and ballooning deficit was 100% a Republican issue in that time frame. We're just seeing it in far more detail now.

Yes, "perceived" in the sense that I find it more common that left-wing politicians argue in favor of protectionism and increased deficits - in the general sense. In practice it's not always that simple, and Trump are in favor of both and is running as a republican.

[Ripster42]

Yes, "perceived" in the sense that I find it more common that left-wing politicians argue in favor of protectionism and increased deficits - in the general sense. In practice it's not always that simple, and Trump are in favor of both and is running as a republican.

This sounds like you're living in the 70s. Since the 80s republicans have been for massive deficits (policy not rhetoric). Neither group, until trump, has been for protectionism since the early 90s.

[Skulltaker]

whatever happened to Trump's wall plan by the way

Like everything Trump does, it's a tremendous, expensive and complete failure. Not only can it be overcome with 5 USD worth of rope, it also collapsed from wind in some parts. It's completion would require to disown US citizens. So far the wall has accomplished nothing, except costing the US millions, which were taken out of the defense budget, I think? So short-term it has wasted money and made Trump an his cronies a target of riddicule, and long-term it has weakened the military. Mankind has defeated walls hundreds of years ago with the invention of gunpowder. Leave it to Trump to try a concept whose failure predates the US.

[Breccia]

it also collapsed from wind in some parts.

Are you talking about the part that was built with fraudulent funds? Because let's not rule out the part that was built with fraudulent funds.

[Forogil]

This sounds like you're living in the 70s. Since the 80s republicans have been for massive deficits (policy not rhetoric). Neither group, until trump, has been for protectionism since the early 90s.

I meant more generally in both time and space.

And it's not as simple as saying that neither groups has been in favor of protections; as some have been in favor of protectionism and against trade deals in the US, and the usual suspects are on the left - like Bernie Sanders and some unions (obviously not police unions).

[Breccia]

I meant more generally in both time and space.

Ah, okay. Well, what the rest of the world defines as "conservative" (etc) doesn't seem to hold much root in the USA. For whatever reason we seem to be okay with that.

[Ripster42]

I meant more generally in both time and space.

And it's not as simple as saying that neither groups has been in favor of protections; as some have been in favor of protectionism and against trade deals in the US, and the usual suspects are on the left - like Bernie Sanders and some unions (obviously not police unions).

I think the dems support for free trade agreements has really cost them some backing among some of those groups. That said the reason most unions support dems is because they're for better healthcare policy and minimum wage increases (which helps drive up all wages), not really protectionism.

[Themius]

A lot claim that Trump was good for the economy.

I'm not saying that it's correct, merely that it's a common idea.

People always think Republicans are better for the economy despite all evidence to the contrary.

The issue revolves around race... when you look at the policies, who supports or doesn't support and "why".

[Ripster42]

People always think Republicans are better for the economy despite all evidence to the contrary.

The issue revolves around race... when you look at the policies, who supports or doesn't support and "why".

Well, some of it. Few others: gender, religion, shame. But yeah, the complaining about identity politics is laughably hypocritical coming from the GOP.

[postman1782]

whatever happened to Trump's wall plan by the way

He lost all of the money again for the wall for like the 6th time.

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Are you talking about the part that was built with fraudulent funds? Because let's not rule out the part that was built with fraudulent funds.

No, I think he is talking about this part: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51307868

The part you are talking about, the base is being washed away because they didn't go to bedrock along the bank of a river. This part was actually blown over by moderate 30 mph winds. Which is just a stiff breeze.