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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Send them all to Florida.
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    Don’t you put that evil on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelinrah View Post
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...not-washington

    Not sure if this was posted yet, but the vaccine Pence was claiming credit for was funded by Germany, not the US. So thank you, Germany.
    Pence didn't say that the US funded Pfizer's research. He said that Operation Warp Speed program helped to accelerate the development of the vaccine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    Don’t you put that evil on me.
    Sorry, Florida had a chance to sort their shit out this year and failed.

    Justice demands retribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    Pence didn't say that the US funded Pfizer's research. He said that Operation Warp Speed program helped to accelerate the development of the vaccine.
    Which Pfizer wasn't a part of.

    Try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    Pence didn't say that the US funded Pfizer's research. He said that Operation Warp Speed program helped to accelerate the development of the vaccine.
    And their CEO said warp speed had nothing to do with it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    Pence didn't say that the US funded Pfizer's research. He said that Operation Warp Speed program helped to accelerate the development of the vaccine.
    Which is also a lie and can be summarily dismissed.
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    Their enemies are busy labeling people "shitheads," dodging all the tough arguments (to the extent they acknowledge contrary arguments existing), and going over all the prejudices that make them believe they're arguing with bad people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Which Pfizer wasn't a part of.

    Try again.
    While they claim Biden is taking credit for it, by telling people to not over react and that we still have a long road ahead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I don't hate North Dakota, but their response to COVID makes them the ideal fit.
    And there's enough . . . lebensraum . . . for them there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    Pence didn't say that the US funded Pfizer's research. He said that Operation Warp Speed program helped to accelerate the development of the vaccine.
    Except it didn't and Pence lied.

    Operation warp speed will help speed up the roll out of the vaccine, but that's not the same as speeding up its development.

    There currently exists no infrastructure for a large mass vaccination program, that is able to get 50%+ of the population immunized within 6-9 months.

    That's the problem operation warp speed is designed to tackle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Which Pfizer wasn't a part of.

    Try again.
    Pfizer benefitted from the streamlined regulatory process and the $1.95B deal made last July to purchase their vaccine...both of which were components of the Operation Warp Speed program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    Pfizer benefitted from the streamlined regulatory process and the $1.95B deal made last July to purchase their vaccine...both of which were components of the Operation Warp Speed program.
    I’m not seeing anything here that has anything to do with the actual development of the vaccine.

    Try again.
    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Their enemies are busy labeling people "shitheads," dodging all the tough arguments (to the extent they acknowledge contrary arguments existing), and going over all the prejudices that make them believe they're arguing with bad people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    Pfizer benefitted from the streamlined regulatory process and the $1.95B deal made last July to purchase their vaccine...both of which were components of the Operation Warp Speed program.
    No, they didn’t... you are repeating a Pence and Trump lie, that Pfizer denied... Why do you need to give Trump credit, for work of scientist he doesn’t trust?
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    Flat Earthers and Creationists are now trying to take credit for the vaccine...

    Ok, where's Ashton Kutcher hiding?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    Pfizer benefitted from the streamlined regulatory process and the $1.95B deal made last July to purchase their vaccine...both of which were components of the Operation Warp Speed program.
    Pfizer didn't receive any funding from Warp Speed, according to the Pfizer CEO and the regulatory process doesn't help with development, it helps with approval to sell the finished product.

    Pence taking credit for this would be like someone taking credit for the work someone else did because they held a door open for them on their way to work, a door which they are perfectly capable of opening themselves.

    With that said, he can take credit for maybe getting it to market faster, when it actually gets to market. But not for development, he and Warp Speed had nothing to do with the development of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    Pfizer benefitted from the streamlined regulatory process and the $1.95B deal made last July to purchase their vaccine...both of which were components of the Operation Warp Speed program.
    That's basically a pre-order. I pre-ordered shadowlands. So I can claim responsibility for its success. that's how this works right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadriker View Post
    That's basically a pre-order. I pre-ordered shadowlands. So I can claim responsibility for its success. that's how this works right?
    Hey, remember how they lost it over Obama’s “you didn’t build that”......
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    Pence didn't say that the US funded Pfizer's research. He said that Operation Warp Speed program helped to accelerate the development of the vaccine.
    What do you think said program did exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    Pfizer benefitted from the streamlined regulatory process and the $1.95B deal made last July to purchase their vaccine...both of which were components of the Operation Warp Speed program.
    What does the U.S. government setting money aside to buy a vaccine have to do with the development and rollout of it...?

    Do I get credit for Amazon's success, because I bought stuff from them?

    Go be disingenuous somewhere else that cares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Neither of which had anything to do with the actual development of the vaccine.
    Allowing the clinical trials to proceed more quickly does indeed accelerate the process.
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    If Pence and Trump want any credit, they need to make sure that places that aren’t currently equipped to store the vaccine and then be able to administer the vaccine, are equipped to do it. If you read up on the vaccine, it has to be stored at -80 Celsius or -112 freedom units. I’m like 99% sure that most Walmart’s and CVS’s are not equipped for storing anything near -80C, and they do not like spending money on that kind of stuff.

    Edit: Well I’ve heard from a source that at least Walmart might be getting some new equipment, not sure what or when or who is funding it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    Allowing the clinical trials to proceed more quickly does indeed accelerate the process.
    Promising to buy their vaccine does not speed up trials... wtf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by swiftowner View Post
    If Pence and Trump want any credit, they need to make sure that places that aren’t currently equipped to store the vaccine and then be able to administer the vaccine, are equipped to do it. If you read up on the vaccine, it has to be stored at -80 Celsius or -112 freedom units. I’m like 99% sure that most Walmart’s and CVS’s are not equipped for storing anything near -80C, and they do not like spending money on that kind of stuff.
    Logistics they should be working on, but Trump hasn’t even taken a national security meeting in several months. Pence’s covid team, has also not met in months. Taking credit, might be the first action of Pence team since summer.

    Edit: Just to point out what is happening... The people who made the vaccine are saying Trump admin had nothing to do with it... with people claiming they are lying, because politicians said so. Vaccine makers are liars, to give Trump credit... great confidence builder.
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