Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Kryctos]

Those are ALL parts of the OWS strategy. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Anyway, the HSS fact sheet page that I linked previously linked has the Pfizer deal listed under the Development section. Why would that be? Maybe because $1.95B is an incredibly compelling incentive to speed development? Hmmmm.

What color is the sky in your alternate reality?

Definitely not red like in your fictional world

[Lenonis]

Operation Warp Speed has indeed allowed the clinical trials to proceed more quickly...that's what the experts say anyway. You need to set them straight and "educate" them as well it seems.

https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we...avirus-vaccine
Testimony on Operation Warp Speed: Researching, Manufacturing, & Distributing a Safe & Effective Coronavirus Vaccine

Pfizer.Did.Not.Partake.In.The.Development.Part.Of.Operation.Warp.Speed.

Full stop.

Stay in your own lane cause you clearly don't understand how this works and your arguments are just highlighting that ignorance, not winning you any actual points.

[DocSavageFan]

Jesus, this is, "TRUMP DIDN'T LOSE THE ELECITON OR POPULAR VOTE" levels of delusion and/or dishonesty. It's been repeatedly pointed out to you that Pfizer has received no money and is not a part of OWS. It's been pointed out that they will be a part of OWS once the vaccine is ready and the US government spends that $1.95B on buying and distributing the vaccine, which has not happened yet.

And throwing money at a vaccine doesn't speed up trials, my dude. Those simply take time. This is pure fantasy on your part. 100% fantasy, and bad fantasy at that.

Did you look even at the links I provided? The Pfizer deal is indeed part of the OWS strategy. Why is this so fucking hard for you to understand?

[Lenonis]

Did you look even at the links I provided? The Pfizer deal is indeed part of the OWS strategy. Why is this so fucking hard for you to understand?

Pfizer did not gain any OWS benefit up to this point. Ergo there is nothing for Trump to take credit for.

Now, when the doses of vaccine are administered to people in record time THEN you can come in and brag. But until then sit down.

[Felya]

Did you look even at the links I provided? The Pfizer deal is indeed part of the OWS strategy. Why is this so fucking hard for you to understand?

Because that’s not what your article states... you are using the fact that government would buy a vaccine to a pandemic to give credit to Trump. That’s absurd... imagine if he spent the money he invested into chloroquine, into developing a vaccine, instead of trusting shaman screaming about demon spunk. Absurd... Trump failing upwards is over...

[DocSavageFan]

Pfizer.Did.Not.Partake.In.The.Development.Part.Of.Operation.Warp.Speed.

Full stop.

Stay in your own lane cause you clearly don't understand how this works and your arguments are just highlighting that ignorance, not winning you any actual points.

So..you do admit that Pfizer was part of OWS...but you just don't consider the $1.95B deal as a development incentive. Correct?

[Felya]

So..you do admit that Pfizer was part of OWS...but you just don't consider the $1.95B deal as a development incentive. Correct?

What? No, 2 billion is not an incentive to create a vaccine depended by every human in the word. WTF? Every human currently living and living in the future, in the word buying a vaccine > 2 billion...

[Lenonis]

So..you do admit that Pfizer was part of OWS...but you just don't consider the $1.95B deal as a development incentive. Correct?

Correct. Because in this situation every company who thinks they have a viable vaccine would rush development ASAP regardless of government incentive. Profit motive.

And this approach makes sense. There is little the government can do to accelerate clinical trials without reducing benefit and safety profiles below an acceptable standard but the logistics of widespread manufacturing and distribution make sense for the gov to help with given every company alone has limited line capacity and distribution capacity.

That doesn't change the reality that the current administration has nothing to take credit for with where Pfizer is at with the vaccine. Pfizer gets the credit.

[Edge-]

but you just don't consider the $1.95B deal as a development incentive. Correct?

It's not. That's not how clinical trials work. Please understand science.

I could promise them $200B for an AIDS vaccine or a therapeutic effective at combating all types of cancer. That doesn't mean that they'll develop or get it through clinical trials any faster.

[DocSavageFan]

Pfizer did not gain any OWS benefit up to this point. Ergo there is nothing for Trump to take credit for.

Now, when the doses of vaccine are administered to people in record time THEN you can come in and brag. But until then sit down.

Ah...like a complete hack you're hung up on giving Trump any credit for OWS. How fucking small can a person be?

- - - Updated - - -

It's not. That's not how clinical trials work. Please understand science.

I could promise them $200B for an AIDS vaccine or a therapeutic effective at combating all types of cancer. That doesn't mean that they'll develop or get it through clinical trials any faster.

What part of science am I not understanding?

[Lenonis]

Ah...like a complete hack you're hung up on giving Trump any credit for OWS. How fucking small can a person be?

That's not what I said. I said there is no credit due up until this point. which is reality. You demanding Trump gets credit for Pfizer's vaccine development is what being a political hack really is.

I already said the manufacturing and distribution part of OWS makes sense and when that kicks in I'll be happy to give that program credit for helping.

Also reported for flaming.

[Felya]

Ah...like a complete hack you're hung up on giving Trump any credit for OWS. How fucking small can a person be?

Why are you posting this in the Trump thread? Why aren’t you posting this in corona thread? No self awareness? To quote Gulliani as he pushed a sex offender from NJ to claim he was cheated out a vote in Philly... Do you think we are stupid? Oh wait... you flame as much...

- - - Updated - - -

That's not what I said. I said there is no credit due up until this point. which is reality. You demanding Trump gets credit for Pfizer's vaccine development is what being a political hack really is.

Also reported for flaming.

What is the point of posting this here, if not to give Trump credit? What about Trump him self taking credit? WTF?

Trump isn’t the problem... we are...

[Skulltaker]

Did you look even at the links I provided? The Pfizer deal is indeed part of the OWS strategy. Why is this so fucking hard for you to understand?

What about 'no it isn't' is so hard for you to grasp? The 1.95 billion USD are a proposed purchase for 100 million units of vaccine, resulting in 19.50 USD per dose. A common price tag on any vaccine, and what they would have asked for in any case.

Ah...like a complete hack you're hung up on giving Trump any credit for OWS. How fucking small can a person be?

A) You're missing an 'any';

B) Trump will get credit for getting thousands of US citizens killed because of his failure, reluctance, or inability to act. Don't worry.

[Lenonis]

What is the point of posting this here, if not to give Trump credit? What about Trump him self taking credit? WTF?

We all know what his purpose here is. It's just a contest to see who gets the infraction first. Likely him as his last post went too far.

[Breccia]

"DocSavageFan" is an anagram of "Face Gonads A.V.".

Hey! That's enough of that nonsense!

You clearly missed "Advance of Gas".

On topic: for those people worried about extracting Hairpiece to the Chief, fear not. A long-time friend and confidtant says Trump will go to Mar-a-lago for Christmas and...just stay there.

After Christmas, he usually comes back January 5th, January 6th. He likes to go to Mar-a-Lago. I suspect he doesn't even come back to Washington. I don't believe he's going to go to the inauguration because he himself fundamentally cannot sit in a chair knowing that the cameras are on him and that the world is looking at him as a loser. He cannot do that.

-- a non-anonymous source that's worked closely with Trump for years

Unrelated: the growing suspicion is that Trump is swapping out long-term competent Pentagon officials with yes-men, because he wants to rush through a troop withdraw without dealing with the consequences. See also: "invited the Taliban to picnick on the White House lawn".

P.S. "As Dog Van Cafe"

[DocSavageFan]

That's not what I said. I said there is no credit due up until this point. which is reality. You demanding Trump gets credit for Pfizer's vaccine development is what being a political hack really is.

I already said the manufacturing and distribution part of OWS makes sense and when that kicks in I'll be happy to give that program credit for helping.

Also reported for flaming.

You're a hack...own up to it ffs instead of crying and running to Mom when called on it.

[Edge-]

What part of science am I not understanding?

That money makes science faster (it can, but doesn't always). That money makes clinical trials faster (it doesn't). That there's not already a MASSIVE incentive for ANY company to produce an effective vaccine that can be distributed both domestically and globally to tens/hundreds of millions of people, so $2B is pretty paltry compared to the potential global revenue they're looking at.

[Felya]

You're a hack...own up to it ffs.

Can you be specific own up to what? Remember, this is a Trump related thread and you were the one who started it. Please... do... go on...

[beanman12345]

Docsavagefan is like trump and needs an interpreter. When he says "trump deserves credit for Pfizer vaccine" what he means is "I'm ignorant."

[Lenonis]

You're a hack...own up to it ffs.

I'm not the one who keeps lying in this thread.

You seem to be under the misconception that pharma companies laze about and take their sweet time developing drugs and bringing them to market and they need some incentive to get them to do so quickly.

In reality, every single drug is a mad dash to get to market as soon as possible as to maximize profits -- this goes 100000x for any drug that's first to market. Some companies even pay the FDA millions of dollars for vouchers they can redeem for priority reviews so they can shave off a few months of review time with the agency.

If OWS didn't exist nothing up until this point would look differently. That's not being a hack, that's being educated and informed about that industry works.

OWS will accelerate the time from approval to dosing in patients. And for that we will be grateful.