Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Felya]

That money makes science faster (it can, but doesn't always). That money makes clinical trials faster (it doesn't). That there's not already a MASSIVE incentive for ANY company to produce an effective vaccine that can be distributed both domestically and globally to tens/hundreds of millions of people, so $2B is pretty paltry compared to the potential global revenue they're looking at.

2 billion isn’t even what is good about Warp Speed... it’s not it’s point... 2 billion is like rhetoric to sooth the glib... the goal will be to distribute in an efficient manner. Something that I hope works... because I have a lot of doubt in current GOP leadership...

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Docsavagefan is like trump and needs an interpreter. When he says "trump deserves credit for Pfizer vaccine" what he means is "I'm ignorant."

No, he thinks we are morons. He didn’t say Trump deserves credit... he just posted it in this thread, instead of the covid or election thread, for shits an giggles. We are supposed to be morons that can’t read between the lines...

[DocSavageFan]

OWS is working and it's a damn good strategy....Pfizer is just the beginning. Deal with it.

[Felya]

OWS is working and it's a damn good strategy....Pfizer is just the beginning. Deal with it.

OWS has literally done nothing... prove me wrong... what is the OWS plan to distribute a vaccine at the temperature this vaccine requires, since we do not have readily available equipment for it? What will they use for distribution? Am all ears...

[DocSavageFan]

Docsavagefan is like trump and needs an interpreter. When he says "trump deserves credit for Pfizer vaccine" what he means is "I'm ignorant."

No...I'm saying he deserves credit for OWS....Pfizer is just the beginning.

[Elegiac]

No...I'm saying he deserves credit for OWS....Pfizer is just the beginning.

We will just as soon as you credit him for the three hundred thousand dead due to his mishandling of COVID, sweetie.

[DocSavageFan]

OWS has literally done nothing... prove me wrong... what is the OWS plan to distribute a vaccine at the temperature this vaccine requires, since we do not have readily available equipment for it? What will they use for distribution? Am all ears...

I'm sure they're doing nothing to work through the temperature issues...nothing. /s

[solinari6]

I don't know why you guys are even debating this with him. Let the trumpkins stay in their bubble and believe whatever they want. They are irrelevant now.

[beanman12345]

No...I'm saying he deserves credit for OWS....Pfizer is just the beginning.

sorry the "i'm not kidding" doesn't work. you tried, you failed miserably. it's okay.

[Felya]

I'm sure they're doing nothing to work through the temperature issues...nothing. /s

Prove that they did anything... Show me that they are doing something? When has Pence held the last covid meeting? September? Now he is in Georgia fighting for the Senate? Prove me wrong...

FYI: Getting ready for the temperature, before the vaccine has been finalized, is a waste of money... so... maybe you are right... maybe they are hiring their friends to build something they might not need. They did it with chloroquine...

[Edge-]

No...I'm saying he deserves credit for OWS....Pfizer is just the beginning.

Sure, he deserves credit for OWS I guess.

Which Pfizer isn't a part of right now, so he can't claim any credit for their development. Weird. Again, let me link a comment from Pfizer's SVP and head of vaccine research and development, Kathrin Jansen -

Others, however, pointed to the fact that Pfizer's senior vice president and head of vaccine research and development, Kathrin Jansen, publicly distanced the company from the Trump administration's Operation Warp Speed vaccine initiative. Jansen was quoted Monday by The New York Times as saying, "We were never part of the Warp Speed. We have never taken any money from the U.S. government, or from anyone."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/polit...nce/index.html

So are you accusing Pfizer of lying?

[DocSavageFan]

We will just as soon as you credit him for the three hundred thousand dead due to his mishandling of COVID, sweetie.

I thought we were talking about OWS...not diverting to stupid talking points because derp, sweetie.

[beanman12345]

I don't know why you guys are even debating this with him. Let the trumpkins stay in their bubble and believe whatever they want. They are irrelevant now.

exactly, I'm just mocking since it's the only language they understand. Debating and trying to educate doesn't work.

[DocSavageFan]

Sure, he deserves credit for OWS I guess.

Which Pfizer isn't a part of right now, so he can't claim any credit for their development. Weird. Again, let me link a comment from Pfizer's SVP and head of vaccine research and development, Kathrin Jansen -



https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/polit...nce/index.html

So are you accusing Pfizer of lying?

Context matters. He was specifically referring to research funding. Try to be honest please.

[Stormspellz]

The funny thing about the ows nonsense, is that programs like ows is such basic standard gov stuff and yet trumpers are out here like trump made the (potential) vaccine himself

[Felya]

I thought we were talking about OWS...not diverting to stupid talking points because derp.

We are talking about Trump.

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Context matters. He was specifically referring to research money. Try to be honest please.

What money have they received from Trump? How about chloroquine?

[Edge-]

Context matters. He was specifically referring to research money. Try to be honest please.

She*

And if you notice, there's a period there. Periods exist to separate two independent sentences, where a comma would be used if the two sentiments were connected.

She stated they've never been a part of OWS. She separately stated that Pfizer has received no money from the US government.

We really need to do a better job of teaching basic English grammar and sentence structure in schools.

[Felya]

The funny thing about the ows nonsense, is that programs like ows is such basic standard gov stuff and yet trumpers are out here like trump made the (potential) vaccine himself

The covid task force team that is supposed to coordinate OWS have not met since September. Which in context of of this vaccine is fine... there is nothing for them to plan, until the vaccine sees more scrutiny. There is no credit to be gotten by anyone... it’s a good sign... but...

[Benggaul]

Hey! That's enough of that nonsense!

You clearly missed "Advance of Gas".

No, I just felt it wasn't funnier than "Face Gonads".

In other news, Cohen seems to think Trump simply won't return to the White House after his Christmas vacation in Mar-A-Lago (Aroma Lag) because he can't stomach sitting through the inauguration while the world sees him as a loser. Of course, the world sees him as a loser regardless of where he sits or how many cameras are on him, so Trump probably has a tough time ahead of him. Snowflake.

[DocSavageFan]

I'm not the one who keeps lying in this thread.

You seem to be under the misconception that pharma companies laze about and take their sweet time developing drugs and bringing them to market and they need some incentive to get them to do so quickly.

In reality, every single drug is a mad dash to get to market as soon as possible as to maximize profits -- this goes 100000x for any drug that's first to market. Some companies even pay the FDA millions of dollars for vouchers they can redeem for priority reviews so they can shave off a few months of review time with the agency.

If OWS didn't exist nothing up until this point would look differently. That's not being a hack, that's being educated and informed about that industry works.

OWS will accelerate the time from approval to dosing in patients. And for that we will be grateful.

Last April, the experts told us 12 months minimum and likely 18+ months as an optimistic timeline for developing a vaccine for COVID.

[Felya]

Last April, the experts told us 12 months minimum and likely 18+ months as an optimistic timeline for developing a vaccine for COVID.

You are confident that this vaccine will work? Why?