Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Machismo]

Does anyone find it depressing that 10 to 20 or so years from now, schools will ask kids with the ol' question of "favorite President" and Trump will be the black sheep. The option people will only assume you're trolling with.

Why would anyone pick a white supremacist as their favorite president?

[Nellise]

Why would anyone pick a white supremacist as their favorite president?

It's a pointless question anyway. Most presidents are fairly forgetful. Other than the founding fathers and wartime presidents, very few made any impact that we recognize today. There's Andrew Jackson, most infamously known for the Trail of Tears, Teddy Roosevelt, who actually was progressive for his time and was the most famous person during his lifetime even without being president, and JFK, being the first Catholic and also assassinated, most other presidents are hardly noteworthy if they're from before you were born.

[Ripster42]

It's a pointless question anyway. Most presidents are fairly forgetful. Other than the founding fathers and wartime presidents, very few made any impact that we recognize today. There's Andrew Jackson, most infamously known for the Trail of Tears, Teddy Roosevelt, who actually was progressive for his time and was the most famous person during his lifetime even without being president, and JFK, being the first Catholic and also assassinated, most other presidents are hardly noteworthy if they're from before you were born.

Grant was an incompetent and his cabinet was corrupt as fuck. Harding's cabinet was also corrupt as fuck. Hoover was useless and, as far as I can tell, gave up on the american people after the crash, a seeming first for a sitting american president (which gave us FDR). Truman dropped the bomb. Eisenhower pushed for and expanded a shit load of social programs while decrying corporatism. Nixon for the EPA and gross abuses of power. Reagan for dismantling the middle class and taking the credit for the soviet union finishing itself off. Bush for being an incompetent idiot and being run by his corrupt VP. Trump being incompetent, corrupt, and gross abuses of power (as well as being the 2nd sitting president to give up on the american people). They'll be relevant for a while, even to people not born yet.

[kaelleria]

Something tells me Trump's lawsuits are about to get more stupid...
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11...ection-results

Trump puts Giuliani in charge of his lawsuits challenging the election results.

President Trump has put his personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, in charge of his campaign lawsuits related to the outcome of the election, as well as all public communications related to them, four people familiar with the move said on Friday.

Mr. Trump turned to Mr. Giuliani earlier on Friday in reaction to the latest setback he faced in court, this one relating to votes in Maricopa County, Ariz., the people said.

The president’s advisers had warned him that they were likely to lose in that case, and he faces increasingly dim hopes of overturning the election results. Nonetheless, Mr. Trump has been trying every possible option to change the outcome and trying to get what he sees as “fighters” making his case, often conflating a media strategy with a legal one.

But the involvement of Mr. Giuliani, who held a widely mocked news conference in front of a landscaping company in Philadelphia last weekend in which he claimed widespread fraud, has vexed people on the campaign and in the White House.

A half-dozen other Trump advisers have described Mr. Giuliani’s efforts as counterproductive and said that he was giving the president unwarranted optimism about what could happen. Those advisers have said that they are concerned Mr. Giuliani is damaging not only Mr. Trump’s remaining legal options, but his legacy and his future opportunities in politics as he considers another campaign in 2024.

A campaign spokesman did not respond to a request for comment. Mr. Giuliani did not respond to a message seeking comment.

In an Oval Office meeting with aides on Thursday, Mr. Trump put Mr. Giuliani on speakerphone so the others could hear him. He angrily accused the aides of not telling the president the truth, according to people briefed on the meeting. Justin Clark, the deputy campaign manager, pushed back aggressively on Mr. Giuliani, said the people briefed on what took place.

[Edge-]

Something tells me Trump's lawsuits are about to get more stupid...
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11...ection-results

Man, the last 20 years have not been kind to "America's Mayor".

[kaelleria]

Man, the last 20 years have not been kind to "America's Mayor".

[Azadina]

Is there really no kind of penalty or consequence to frivolous lawsuits?

[kaelleria]

Is there really no kind of penalty or consequence to frivolous lawsuits?

There have been instances where the lawyers involved get referred to their state bar association and end up getting disbarred.

[Breccia]

Is there really no kind of penalty or consequence to frivolous lawsuits?

Some of his lawyers have walked away, before being hit with ridicule or loss of business.

[Antiganon]

Is there really no kind of penalty or consequence to frivolous lawsuits?

For private citizens, you can countersue to have your legal fees covered and probably get some money for having your time wasted if it's completely baseless nonsense. I don't think the government can countersue like that, and I don't think a state government can sue a sitting president in any case.

[Nellise]

Grant was an incompetent and his cabinet was corrupt as fuck. Harding's cabinet was also corrupt as fuck. Hoover was useless and, as far as I can tell, gave up on the american people after the crash, a seeming first for a sitting american president (which gave us FDR). Truman dropped the bomb. Eisenhower pushed for and expanded a shit load of social programs while decrying corporatism. Nixon for the EPA and gross abuses of power. Reagan for dismantling the middle class and taking the credit for the soviet union finishing itself off. Bush for being an incompetent idiot and being run by his corrupt VP. Trump being incompetent, corrupt, and gross abuses of power (as well as being the 2nd sitting president to give up on the american people). They'll be relevant for a while, even to people not born yet.

I agree with those, but a non-student of history doesn't know that stuff. They might remember Grant as the Civil War General, but nothing about his presidency. Hoover and Harding aren't really remembered for anything specific they did other than that the 20s were "roaring". People remember FDR but not why he was elected. Nixon is (in)famous for Watergate but not that he was really popular before that. Reagan's popularity is based on myths from people that were alive when he was president. The rest are recent enough there's enough people to make believe the good and not the bad about them.

[Benggaul]

...*sigh*

183,527 new cases; nearly 51k more than last Friday. Yet another in a string of new national records...for fuck's sake.

Illinois: 15,415 new cases (new record); 45 deaths
Texas: 12,461 new cases; 216 deaths
California: 10,067 new cases; 79 deaths
Michigan: 9,179 new cases (new record); 123 deaths
Ohio: 8,057 new cases (new record); 42 deaths
Wisconsin: 7,777 new cases (new record); 58 deaths
Fuck Florida.
Colorado: 6,439 new cases (new record); 36 deaths
Kansas: 6,047 new cases (new record); 41 deaths
Missouri: 5,852 new cases; 21 deaths
Pennsylvania: 5,834 new cases; 35 deaths
Indiana: 5,600 new cases; 50 deaths
Minnesota: 5,544 new cases; 46 deaths
New York: 5,469 new cases; 29 deaths
Iowa: 5,451 new cases (new record); 18 deaths
Tennessee: 3,733 new cases; 64 deaths
Louisiana: 3,492 new cases; 24 deaths
New Jersey: 3,254 new cases; 25 deaths
Kentucky: 3,164 new cases (new record); 25 deaths (new record)
Arizona: 3,015 new cases; 17 deaths

Other states with new case or death records: Alabama, Oklahoma*, Arkansas, Maryland, Nevada, Montana, Wyoming, Delaware, New Hampshire and Maine.

Nebraska once again failed to report on time but given their numbers for the past week I'm going to guess they're close to 3k today.

So we're heading into the weekend which means numbers should be heading back down temporarily for a few days, but that's small relief when they'll still be WAY the fuck over 100k regardless. Part of this could be the start of the expected Election Day spike. At this rate we WILL be hitting 200k by the end of next week which is fucking horrifying. Hospitals are already strained in several areas and are filling up fast in most of the US. Illinois, from what I can see, now has the record for most new cases reported in a day eclipsing Fuck Florida's 15k back in the summer. Texas now has multiple 12k days on record this week. California has topped 10k again. Michigan is on the cusp. Louisiana actually reported around 10k cases today but about 7k were a correction. Next week we could see 5 states with 10k+ totals. But it's okay, because it's just one guy coming in from China and it'll all blow away by April...FUCK Trump and FUCK you if you voted for him TWICE.

The US has passed 11 million confirmed cases now. At this rate it will pass 12 million cases next week.

1,395 deaths is about 150 more than last Friday and makes the total 249,975, just shy of 250k. Texas passed into 200+ territory and Michigan posted triple digits for the first time since May. I would say that we could be happy that deaths aren't increasing as quickly as many supposed, but look at hospital capacity across the country. A lack of space to treat the worst off is going to cost WAY more lives at this stage. The healthcare system won't be able to handle them all. Arizona had to deal with "death panels" back in the Summer. Many more states are already preparing to do the same now. I do not envy those healthcare workers even if they do get dibs on the first vaccines.

Related news:

Health care workers are 'tapped out' amid coronavirus fall surge, Wisconsin doctor says--Wisconsin's been fighting this latest outbreak for months now and still show no signs of improvement.

COVID-19 infections are soaring. Lockdowns could be coming. A list of restrictions in your state.--Frankly I find this WAY too fucking late, but it's something.

'Take it seriously': Man, 52, recovers from double lung transplant following COVID-19--This isn't even the first "double lung transplant due to COVID" story I've read this week.

Stay safe, folks.

[Nellise]

...*sigh*

183,527 new cases; nearly 51k more than last Friday. Yet another in a string of new national records...for fuck's sake.

Illinois: 15,415 new cases (new record); 45 deaths

So Illinois has been following pretty much 1% deaths per case until now, so don't be surprised when it's reporting 150 deaths a day for the next few weeks.

I've given up on any hope in Illinois. I talk to too many people that think it's not serious and they won't follow the governor's orders. The only hope at this point is that so many get infected it doesn't have anywhere to go.

[beanman12345]

There have been instances where the lawyers involved get referred to their state bar association and end up getting disbarred.

In fact, some judges while asking questions during some of these cases, have been telling these lawyers of the consequences of their answers if they try to keep up with their line of bullshit they've been pushing in the actual courtrooms.

[Ripster42]

I agree with those, but a non-student of history doesn't know that stuff. They might remember Grant as the Civil War General, but nothing about his presidency. Hoover and Harding aren't really remembered for anything specific they did other than that the 20s were "roaring". People remember FDR but not why he was elected. Nixon is (in)famous for Watergate but not that he was really popular before that. Reagan's popularity is based on myths from people that were alive when he was president. The rest are recent enough there's enough people to make believe the good and not the bad about them.

I didn't study history in college. That's almost solely from middle school and high school, but mostly 7th grade (barring bush 2 & trump).

[Breccia]

...*sigh*

1,395

The seven-day average is now over 1,000 deaths per day.

It will take very little for upcoming deaths to top the nasty spike we saw in August.

[Nellise]

I didn't study history in college. That's almost solely from middle school and high school, but mostly 7th grade (barring bush 2 & trump).

But I think the difference is that you want to understand this stuff. I've been involved in several different levels of education: my undergrad was top 20 in the country, my grad was top 200, my real life is nowhere near those levels. It's a striking difference how those levels of education think.

[Benggaul]

Am I the only one holding their breath as they check @Benggaul corona posts? I am constantly hoping the states my family are scattered across don’t make the post. At the same time I’m constantly telling assholes to stop going out so much. I don’t care if you have a mask on, right now we need to limit exposure of all types.

I wish I could say you could breathe a sigh of relief when you don't see your state mentioned, but the reason it may not be listed is because there are too many for me to type out every day. I had to cut down to the top 20 instead of every state over 1k because now it's nearly all of them. I mean, given the current cutoff I guess you could be relieved it's not at 3k+...yet?

It's bad everywhere. The states at the top of the list are generally where it's been bad for the longest.

[swiftowner]

So Illinois has been following pretty much 1% deaths per case until now, so don't be surprised when it's reporting 150 deaths a day for the next few weeks.

I've given up on any hope in Illinois. I talk to too many people that think it's not serious and they won't follow the governor's orders. The only hope at this point is that so many get infected it doesn't have anywhere to go.

The problem with this is the risk of the virus mutating into a different strain that reinfect a people. The more people spread this, the more chances it has to mutate.
@Benggaul looks like we might be on track then for around ~240k next Friday, and probably ~300k the following Friday, but given the holidays, not sure how reporting will pan out.

I wasn’t expecting >180k today... wear your damn masks people

[Azadina]

There have been instances where the lawyers involved get referred to their state bar association and end up getting disbarred.

And yet Ghouliani and Trumps other criminal thug lawyers do what they do best. That's not very reliable or reassuring consequence, especially when it doesn't even hurt the mob boss himself.