Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Hollycakes]

Well, first of all, the Reagan Administration ditched the Fairness Doctrine.

This triggers me. Not you lol. The facts behind it all.

My aunt is hardcore conservative and not long ago we kinda fell out over all this. It was before the BLM riots etc and I pretty much predicted some of what was to come. As in resistance to Trump, riots, conservative platforms etc. She didn't believe me. She was upset about FB and Twitter being anti conservative, (this was all from the Trump tweet that what they were doing was "illegal!")(nevermind it wasnt illegal and that there is also pro conservative bias in other companies that she doesnt care about...NRA etc) I tried to explain to her that in a free market and capitalist society she and others like her are more than welcome to create their own platforms and being a republican she more than anyone should be against "big govt" stepping in and we can't control which party a business owner belongs to and which way they swing and if you don't like it, take your business elsewhere. She wouldn't hear any of it. Now enter Parler etc. lol who have done just that and I just got done reading the wiki page on the Fairness Doctrine which I forgot alllll about and direct you to the "Opposition" section:

"Opposition
The Fairness Doctrine has been strongly opposed by prominent conservatives and libertarians who view it as an attack on First Amendment rights and property rights."

Just ugh. There is no getting through to people like her sadly. She can't see the hypocrisy and honestly believes the same stuff I see from people like John Voight with his most recent "most important battle since the civil war, and its the battle of righteousness vs. evil etc" She tries to cast a political light over any subject we may be talking about. "Thats why your mother does this is cause shes liberal blah blah blah" "Only Republicans have any sense of personal responsibility" etc etc. uggggh. There is no winning with them. She only listens to Hannity, Ive heard her husband wish death upon all Dems and the list goes on. The real irony is that they think everyone else is the the problem. They are righteous and the other side is evil and this is the end of America. The fearmongering hyperbole and paranoia is staggering. Needless to say, sadly we don't speak much anymore once she seemed to get I was never going to convert to her side.

I should add, she also believes in Qanon now. Ask her about any news and its "MSM is fake news" "Dont believe a word they say!" Yet she believes in a rando anon forum poster from 4chan of all places. I can't make this stuff up. Shes convinced that Dems are pedos and they do it in pizza shops. The divide is bigger now than its been in many years.

Edited for the similarities here:
The backlash against social media bias is funny. When Dems were claiming it, it's not a thing. Their rights were being infringed upon. Now it's happening to them and they want the very thing they fought/stand against to stick up for them.(remind anyone of the "keep your govt hands out of my medicare" signs?) Similar to this argument I'm seeing about the Russian interference. It's not a thing, its not a thing, we won fair and square, elections arent rigged! Wait, this election was rigged! We didn't agree then but we do now! We don't believe you when you make the claim but when we make it, it's SeRiOuS. End rant. This is why I stay out of politics. Marley was the real mvp. One love.

[Xeones]

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...-house-2020-11

Trump is planning a series of confrontations with China in the final weeks of his presidency

The Trump administration believes the new moves will leave the incoming Biden administration boxed-in.

We need this guy out now.

[Drutt]

As the tantrum continues in the White House, Trump intentionally changes the citizenship test for no real reason and continues his post-loss firing spree.

Special note: one of the questions added to the citizenship test is "Why is the EC important?"

As someone who just went through the process in the last two years, that test is nothing. Adding more questions or expecting more correct answers won't change anything materially. The questions are braindead easy, and they give you all of the questions (and the correct answers to them) in a pamphlet well in advance of the interview.

One of the questions I was actually asked was "Who is the current Vice President of the United States?"

[YUPPIE]

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...-house-2020-11



We need this guy out now.

well, when he was relieved of COVID, he vowed/swore vengeance on China so he's keeping his word
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/arti...virus-pandemic

[Breccia]

As someone who just went through the process in the last two years, that test is nothing.

Kind of makes Trump's move even more petty, doesn't it?

[shimerra]

well, when he was relieved of COVID, he vowed/swore vengeance on China so he's keeping his word
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/arti...virus-pandemic

Seriously. Think. At all.

We'll just stack that against the 20,000 plus verifiable lies and ignore the fact that his vengeance, ignoring the idea whether vengeance at all is appropriate or effective, and you've only got 19,999 more to excuse/justify. Get to work!


I don't care if Trump promised to punch a pregnant illegal woman in this stomach and then actually does it. Him doing it is still fucking wrong and stupid and keeping the promise isn't a positive. Stop excusing him.

[Stormspellz]

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...-house-2020-11



We need this guy out now.

I hope China's response is simply to revoke Ivanka's patents and such things, then wait it out till jan 21

[Bodakane]

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...-house-2020-11



We need this guy out now.

China isn't dumb. They know in two months, the stupid will be over.

[Redwyrm]

China isn't dumb. They know in two months, the stupid will be over.

They, and the rest of the world, know that Trump is a lame duck without any bargaining power. Unless Trump gives up the figurative baby and bath water. But I don't think congress would approve.

[D Luniz]

Le sigh

Trump Sought Options for Attacking Iran to Stop Its Growing Nuclear Program

first 2 paragraphs incase it's paywalled

WASHINGTON — President Trump asked senior advisers in an Oval Office meeting on Thursday whether he had options to take action against Iran’s main nuclear site in the coming weeks. The meeting occurred a day after international inspectors reported a significant increase in the country’s stockpile of nuclear material, four current and former U.S. officials said on Monday.

A range of senior advisers dissuaded the president from moving ahead with a military strike. The advisers — including Vice President Mike Pence; Secretary of State Mike Pompeo; Christopher C. Miller, the acting defense secretary; and Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff — warned that a strike against Iran’s facilities could easily escalate into a broader conflict in the last weeks of Mr. Trump’s presidency.

[Inuyaki]

They, and the rest of the world, know that Trump is a lame duck without any bargaining power. Unless Trump gives up the figurative baby and bath water. But I don't think congress would approve.

tbf we also know that this may all happen again in 4 years.
As long as your voting population remains that stupid, I would not trust the US on anything big personally. Sorry

[Edge-]

Le sigh

Trump Sought Options for Attacking Iran to Stop Its Growing Nuclear Program

first 2 paragraphs incase it's paywalled

If only there was like, some kind of deal with international signatories including the US, that limited both how much uranium that Iran could have at once and also limited how much they could enrich it. And that this deal had some kind of agreement to allow inspectors into all their sites along with other oversight tools to ensure that Iran was abiding by the terms of the deal and not continuing to actively develop nuclear weapons.

Some kind of like...Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action or something.

[Felya]

As someone who just went through the process in the last two years, that test is nothing. Adding more questions or expecting more correct answers won't change anything materially. The questions are braindead easy, and they give you all of the questions (and the correct answers to them) in a pamphlet well in advance of the interview.

One of the questions I was actually asked was "Who is the current Vice President of the United States?"

Wasn’t that easy when I took it... mine was signed by Bush jr, so it’s been almost 20 years. I was the asshole in the back trying not to laugh, as everyone else was crying with joy.

Oh no... yours is signed by Trump... I am so sorry... I thought I had it bad...

[Edge-]

Wasn’t that easy when I took it... mine was signed by Bush jr, so it’s been almost 20 years. I was the asshole in the back trying not to laugh, as everyone else was crying with joy.

Oh no... yours is signed by Trump... I am so sorry... I thought I had it bad...

"Why is the Electoral College important?"

So I assume that "It's not", while a proper and right answer, isn't the "correct" answer?

[Breccia]

Trump Sought Options for Attacking Iran to Stop Its Growing Nuclear Program

Because of course he is.

This could actually be the most damage he could inflict on his way out of town.

[Adam Jensen]

Trump's actions are proof that we need to get rid of the lame duck session.

Move the certification and inauguration to within a week of the counting being completed. Don't give the lame duck session time to do these things.

[passingthrew]

Trump's actions are proof that we need to get rid of the lame duck session.

Move the certification and inauguration to within a week of the counting being completed. Don't give the lame duck session time to do these things.

100% agree. No one thought we would have a Trump, who would actively harm the country on the way out. Everything should be looked at and update at this point.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Don't forget, Team Trump is a cult. I'm an Eagles fan for life, but when they suck (cough cough Sunday cough) I'll be one of the first to admit it. And, as you've seen on these very forums, even with the shield of anonymity, when Biden says something stupid or outright lies, I tend to call him out on it.

The rabid fanbase is at the point where they would literally rather die than admit they backed a lying incompetent loser. Yes, literally, look at those mask mandates they're not following, look at the crimes they're committing. Kidnapping a governor? Driving from a Trump rally to the Philly vote counting location with guns what the fuck? Say what you want about Black Lives Matter, they at least are rebelling against unarmed innocent African-Americans being murdered in cold blood by police. I don't agree with violence as a political motivation, but at least them I understand. The rabid fanbase is looking at historic drops in American...everything, from jobs to international approval, and saying "Yeah we want more of this please, and we want it so badly we want to ignore the fact that it's now objectively proven we're outnumbered".

Feel free to fail to understand. It's good that you don't understand. TWEETING IN ALL CAPS doesn't make you right, it makes you wrong louder.

Yep. Every time I hear whinging about black lives matter, my response is just gonna be "Remember that time a bunch of right wing terrorists were threatening the lives of polling employees because they were too pussy to admit their god king lost?"

[Xeones]

Thus far tonight I've heard Trump plans to sanction China, he plans to pull all troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan with no plan, and that he is planning an unprovoked strike on Iran. The first two are probably covered by the general protections presidents get, but wouldn't the third open him up for war crimes if the Biden administration decided not to protect him?

[Breccia]

wouldn't the third open him up for war crimes if the Biden administration decided not to protect him?

I hope so. Because only throwing Trump into ICC would placate the rest of the world. Imagine if, say, Trump launched strikes unilaterally and we just shrugged our shoulders and allowed it.