Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Kaleredar]

worse, we don't do it back, then when they get the chance, they do it again, while yelling "both sides" and/or claiming we did it first, or would have eventually, thus "justifying" them ratfucking us

Being petulant toddlers like the republicans doesn't actually stop or fix anything, though. It just makes both sides petulant toddlers. The democrats have been the party of upstanding moral propriety for a good long while now. One the country desperately needs, because the GOP has only shown that it wants to slide further and further away from any such things.

People are going to be idiots. It's difficult to change that. All you can really do is prevent those idiots from getting into power, and prevent them from misleading other people into being idiots in the future.

Electoral reform. Fighting gerrymandering. Better education. Legal crackdowns on the people complicit in Trump's little farce of a coup and constant, steady condemnations of the people that stood by and let it happen. These are the things that have lasting effects, not spinning up some propaganda machine to call the GOP nasty names and make up rumors about them as is the GOP's M.O.

The venom from the democrats doesn't need to be in rhetoric, it needs to be in legislation.

[Breccia]

I guess he just wants people to ignore COVID.

Wait, didn't Trump say the vote was stolen? Isn't Trump the one saying to stay at home?

[Kaleredar]

Wait, didn't Trump say the vote was stolen? Isn't Trump the one saying to stay at home?

I'm sure McConnell had speaks with him.

"Listen Trump, you can say that Biden won illegitimately, but you're not going to cost the senate for me, you failed orange millionaire! Now I can keep the rest of the GOP silent about the presidential race so you can keep raking in money to 'challenge the election results' so you can just line your pockets with it, but I'll get them to turn on you on a dime if you tell our people not to vote in Georgia!"

[Omega10]

I'm sure McConnell had speaks with him.

"Listen Trump, you can say that Biden won illegitimately, but you're not going to cost the senate for me, you failed orange millionaire! Now I can keep the rest of the GOP silent about the presidential race so you can keep raking in money to 'challenge the election results' so you can just line your pockets with it, but I'll get them to turn on you on a dime if you tell our people not to vote in Georgia!"

Not in EXACTLY those words... but I bet they were very close.

I suspect he used much worse language other than failed orange millionaire. I don't think McConnell has much use for Trump, especially now that Trump is on his way out. McConnell is looking towards the future, and Trump ain't in it.

[YUPPIE]

https://www.yahoo.com/now/trump-mara...175100408.html

just found this a bit late

[Breccia]

just found this a bit late

Since YUPPIE has, hrm, "a bit of a reptutation" around here, and as such some people might have him on ignore as a precautionary move based on his posts in the past, let me point out that this article is, basically, "Trump can't live in his own house".

On Jan. 20, President-elect Joe Biden will move into the White House — and that means Trump is going to have to find somewhere else to live. Since he changed his legal address from Trump Tower in New York City to his Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., some have assumed that’s where he’ll go after leaving Washington.

He’s voted from that address in the most recent Florida primary and general election. Construction work and renovations are reportedly being done to expand the living quarters. And ABC News reported last week that members of his Secret Service detail have been asked if they’d like to relocate to the area.

There’s just one problem: Per an agreement with the town of Palm Beach, no one is actually allowed to live at Mar-a-Lago full time. Not even Donald Trump.

Specifically, nobody can be there more than 21 days per calendar year. And, well, Palm Beach fucking hates what Trump's done to traffic. Or, you know, for being a horrible human being. Once Trump waddles out of the White House, going after him on contracts he signed and Palm Beach can enforce, they could legally say "If you stay here more than 21 days, we get to cut off your license, and enforce that with police we control not you".

*ahem*

But.

I'll say this, I honestly did not expect YUPPIE to provide evidence that Trump is a felon.

In two elections now, Trump h as voted (cough absentee cough) as a resident of Florida, specifically Mar-a-Lago. Well, according to this article, he can't be a permanent resident there. Which means he voted where he doesn't live.

Twice.

I've got to say, didn't see that coming from someone with YUPPIE's proven history. But assuming this article is properly sourced, it looks pretty textbook to me.

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So Dr. Birx had a few things to say.

Right now, across the Sunbelt, we have governors and mayors who have cases equivalent to what they had in the summertime, yet aren’t putting in the same policies and mitigations that they put in the summer that they know changed the course of this pandemic.

"Question: I'm not from the USA, what's the Sunbelt?"



"...is that from a Civil War site?"

Yes.

"Ah. So, Trump supporters and racism. Got it."

Well technically Calif--

"Racism. Got it. Continue."

This is the worst event that this country will face not just from a public health side, yet we know what behaviors spread the virus and we know how to change those behaviors to stop spreading the virus.

I hear community members parroting back those situations, parroting back that masks don’t work, parroting back that we should work toward herd immunity, parroting back that gatherings don’t result in super-spreading events.

And I think our job is to constantly say those are myths, they are wrong, and you can see the evidence base.

Every state across this country needs to increase their mitigation and every state needs to be critically informing their state population that the gatherings we saw in Thanksgiving will lead to a surge, it will happen this week and next week.

We cannot go into the holiday season — Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanza — with the same kind of attitude that: ‘Those gatherings don’t apply to me.’ They apply to everyone, if you don’t want to lose your grandparents, your aunt.

Bolded for emphasis.

It must be so refreshing to be allowed to speak as a professional expert without worrying about being fired for discussing science, evidence and facts.

[Forogil]

Benggauls reports have been pretty depressing as of late statwise. Are you guys TRYING to aim for 500k dead, or will that even be enough?

Note that the US also likely under-reports covid-deaths (unless there's some other killer going around that no-one have found yet). It's likely that the true numbers are about 33% higher, so that the US is already at about 376k. With just 2k per day that would mean 400k before Christmas, and including excess deaths it's plausible that 500k will be hit during Trump's presidency.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...ross-countries

[Paranoid Android]

Trump is considering a made-for-TV grand finale: an Air Force One flight to Florida for a political rally opposite Joe Biden's inauguration.

https://t.co/wVfFu9Le4j

https://twitter.com/axios/status/133...900345857?s=19

Trump is such a PoS.

Biden should return the favor and not let him leave on Air Force One. He will be sworn in before the departure.

I forgot the PoS might not attend inauguration and part b4. Again would be great if Biden sworn and makes Air Force One land in South Carolina or somewhere.

[Adam Jensen]

Benggauls reports have been pretty depressing as of late statwise. Are you guys TRYING to aim for 500k dead, or will that even be enough? Christ almighty. Is any number high enough to actually do something about it, something other than yell "mah freedumbzzzzzz >>>>> masks"?

This is a general rant about the insanity going on.

The majority of us are being held back by the drooling covidiots who insist on making this pandemic worse than it needs to be. If people would be smart, and social distance and wear masks, maybe we can avoid 500k dead by February.

That's not going to happen.

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https://twitter.com/axios/status/133...900345857?s=19

Trump is such a PoS.

Biden should return the favor and not let him leave on Air Force One. He will be sworn in before the departure.

I hope to god that after the 20th, we can put Trump out of the public light.

I'm so sick of that fuck.

[Gorsameth]

https://twitter.com/axios/status/133...900345857?s=19

Trump is such a PoS.

Biden should return the favor and not let him leave on Air Force One. He will be sworn in before the departure.

I forgot the PoS might not attend inauguration and part b4. Again would be great if Biden sworn and makes Air Force One land in South Carolina or somewhere.

I would be in favor of that, cause it would mean he is still on US soil and they can serve him his indictments and take his passport to prevent him fleeing the country as he comes off the stage.

[Azadina]

Mah sweet summer child...

Note that the US also likely under-reports covid-deaths (unless there's some other killer going around that no-one have found yet). It's likely that the true numbers are about 33% higher, so that the US is already at about 376k. With just 2k per day that would mean 400k before Christmas, and including excess deaths it's plausible that 500k will be hit during Trump's presidency.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...ross-countries

Stop, stahp! Back around 50k I thought 200k isn't going to be a thing for real (because surely people would actually do something to prevent that)....now you'll make it sound like 500k is just a beginning rather than the nightmare number it already sounds D:

[Zan15]

So can the doctors at the hospital give Rudy 3 doses of thoughts and prayers and send him home?

[Omega10]

Stop, stahp! Back around 50k I thought 200k isn't going to be a thing for real (because surely people would actually do something to prevent that)....now you'll make it sound like 500k is just a beginning rather than the nightmare number it already sounds D:

If you take Dr Fauci's projections about how next year would go, we'll be around 3k a day deaths until March or April, putting us well over 500k, and 2k a day for quite a while, putting us around 750k in June or July. 500k is guaranteed. 750k is very likely. imho 1 million is a reasonable over and under number by the end of next year.

Math can be brutal

And as has been pointed out before, these are numbers that are intentionally under counted. The real numbers are a big higher, but not THAT much.

[Templar 331]

https://twitter.com/axios/status/133...900345857?s=19

Trump is such a PoS.

Biden should return the favor and not let him leave on Air Force One. He will be sworn in before the departure.

I forgot the PoS might not attend inauguration and part b4. Again would be great if Biden sworn and makes Air Force One land in South Carolina or somewhere.

I think Biden is president the morning of the ceremony even before the swearing in part. He could cancel the fight. And if Trump leaves a day earlier all Biden has to do is recall the jet back the morning of the ceremony.

[Breccia]

Trump is such a PoS.

So...if they're at the same time, who would carry the rally over the swearing in?

[Gorsameth]

I think Biden is president the morning of the ceremony even before the swearing in part. He could cancel the fight. And if Trump leaves a day earlier all Biden has to do is recall the jet back the morning of the ceremony.

Constitution puts the end of a Presidents term at noon jan 20th.
So no, in the morning Biden is not President. Not until 12:01

[Kaleredar]

Stop, stahp! Back around 50k I thought 200k isn't going to be a thing for real (because surely people would actually do something to prevent that)....now you'll make it sound like 500k is just a beginning rather than the nightmare number it already sounds D:

Unfortunately with the current (complete lack of) leadership surrounding COVID, I see absolutely zero reason as to why this would slow down. People have not become smarter about it. If anything, they've become dumber and more careless

Perhaps Biden can stir some more effective policy on the matter. Unfortunately, any actions he takes will be 1) slow to have any corrective effect 2) will be fought tooth-and-nail at the state level by red states and 3) will likely be fought on a legislative level if the GOP retains control of the senate just as a "screw you" to Biden. So Biden will have a massive uphill climb, even WITH actual policy experts informing him.

The GOP's reason for inaction will switch from one of ignoring COVID to make Trump look good by pretending it isn't happening, to one of actively fighting against measures to combat COVID to make Biden look bad.

The best hope as it stands is that the vaccine is rolled out swiftly and effectively, in addition to whatever legislation Biden is able to formalize. I have far more hope for this as Biden, unlike Trump, will have and listen to actual experts, wont be looking for ways to line his pockets with it, wont try and act spitefully with it like Trump intended to, and it will be far harder for the GOP to stand in the way of the vaccine without making themselves look bad. At most, the only Fox and friends partisan drek we'll hear about the vaccine is that it was "technically developed under Trump" and that Trump (and the GOP) should be getting credit for it for that reason.

[Omega10]

Unfortunately with the current (complete lack of) leadership surrounding COVID, I see absolutely zero reason as to why this would slow down. People have not become smarter about it. If anything, they've become dumber and more careless

Perhaps Biden can stir some more effective policy on the matter. Unfortunately, any actions he takes will be 1) slow to have any corrective effect 2) will be fought tooth-and-nail at the state level by red states and 3) will likely be fought on a legislative level if the GOP retains control of the senate just as a "screw you" to Biden. So Biden will have a massive uphill climb, even WITH actual policy experts informing him.

The GOP's reason for inaction will switch from one of ignoring COVID to make Trump look good by pretending it isn't happening, to one of actively fighting against measures to combat COVID to make Biden look bad.

The best hope as it stands is that the vaccine is rolled out swiftly and effectively, in addition to whatever legislation Biden is able to formalize. I have far more hope for this as Biden, unlike Trump, will have and listen to actual experts, wont be looking for ways to line his pockets with it, wont try and act spitefully with it like Trump intended to, and it will be far harder for the GOP to stand in the way of the vaccine without making themselves look bad. At most, the only Fox and friends partisan drek we'll hear about the vaccine is that it was "technically developed under Trump" and that Trump (and the GOP) should be getting credit for it for that reason.

And Biden won't take office until January 20. This is quite a long time until work on any effective actions even STARTS (though pre-planning is undoubtedly already happening).

[Benggaul]

173,861 new cases; a little over 21k more than two weeks ago. This will go up as the latecomers Michigan and Nebraska are added later.

Top 20:

California: 28,371 new cases (new record); 55 deaths
Texas: 9,451 new cases; 70 deaths
Fuck Florida.
New York: 8,127 new cases; 93 deaths
Pennsylvania: 7,755 new cases; 55 deaths
Illinois: 7,598 new cases; 99 deaths
Ohio: 7,592 new cases; 15 deaths
New Jersey: 7,126 new cases (new record); 23 deaths
Indiana: 6,598 new cases; 35 deaths
North Carolina: 6,438 new cases (new record); 27 deaths
Minnesota: 5,581 new cases; 64 deaths
Arizona: 5,376 new cases; 25 deaths
Massachusetts: 4,827 new cases; 51 deaths
Louisiana: 3,946 new cases; 36 deaths
Virginia: 3,880 new cases (new record); 3 deaths
Oklahoma: 3,241 new cases; 22 deaths
Colorado: 3,234 new cases; no deaths reported
Missouri: 3,174 new cases; 7 deaths
Tennessee: 3,072 new cases; 38 deaths
Wisconsin: 2,791 new cases; 17 deaths

West Virginia was the only other state with a new record (new cases).

This is the highest it's ever been for a Sunday. That probably goes without saying. Two months ago Sundays were down in the 30k region and that was considered high compared to the Spring. Normally I wouldn't have written the "long form" report for Sunday because numbers are usually so low, but I think these need attention.

1,076 deaths is about 200 more than two weeks ago and brings the total to 288,906. This is the first time since May that we've been over 1k on a Sunday. I hope we never see 2k on a Sunday, because that will mean the numbers from the preceding week would have been horrendous. Allow me my fantasies.

Related news:

Hospitalizations hit another record high--No, I'm not repeating a news story from a prior report. This keeps happening. The US had over 1 million new cases in 5 days. Worldometers has us at over 15 million now.

Rudy Giuliani tests positive for coronavirus, Trump says--Probably the only time anyone's said anything "positive" about Giuliani in a long time.

COVID-19 becomes top killer in U.S. as hospitals fill up--It has passed heart disease. I'm sorry, but if people refuse to act with any sense I'm not sure we can continue to call the US a "First World" country.

Stay safe, folks.

[kaid]

I think Biden is president the morning of the ceremony even before the swearing in part. He could cancel the fight. And if Trump leaves a day earlier all Biden has to do is recall the jet back the morning of the ceremony.

redirect the flight to iraq and then boot trump off the plane good luck have fun.