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    https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...tions?ref=home

    does this really raise suspicion Trump is potentially a traitor, I mean these sorts of things pop up all the time but Trump always says he's an American so the skepticism is high
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...tions?ref=home

    does this really raise suspicion Trump is potentially a traitor, I mean these sorts of things pop up all the time but Trump always says he's an American so the skepticism is high
    Does it bother you that you support a traitor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Does it bother you that you support a traitor?
    I more support the ideals of the GOP than Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I more support the ideals of the GOP than Trump
    ...So you support traitors?

    Did you really expect that statement to help you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...tions?ref=home

    does this really raise suspicion Trump is potentially a traitor, I mean these sorts of things pop up all the time but Trump always says he's an American so the skepticism is high
    I’ve been posting this for years. But, you need a credible journalist, not a random on the internet? la di da... fancy... lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I more support the ideals of the GOP than Trump
    The GOP's only ideals is that they support Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I more support the ideals of the GOP than Trump
    Nope, you are an admitted Trump supporter, stop lying.

    You spent months shilling for racists and fascists, stop trying to retcon it, because you got busted.

    It's a shame you decided to support traitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Nope, you are an admitted Trump supporter, stop lying.
    I've been wondering: what kind of canary are the Republicans going to send into the coal mine? Are any of them testing the waters, saying "Trump was wrong, after four years of backing him publicly and incessantly I finally admit that privately" and seeing if there's an open hand extended in return? Are any of them really hoping that the memory span of the sane American is that short? Because there are some good documentaries on the Nuremberg Trials about what happens when someone zealously follows a murderous dictator, then tries "you guys still mad about that?" after the fact. Spoiler alert: the word for someone who was a Nazi in WWII and was caught hiding years later is "Nazi". And no amount of "I have this funny meme about Hitler" changed that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I've been wondering: what kind of canary are the Republicans going to send into the coal mine?
    Republicans would say that the canary obviously had a preexisting condition that was the true cause of death, that gas you can't smell or taste is no worse then the flu, and finally that Hospitals make billions off of claiming that all deaths are underground gas related to feed off Liberal Commie hysteria.

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    Isn't the canary that the GOP wants to send into the coal mine a bunch of uncle Jimbobs out in West Virginia?

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    296K dead has now passed the total number of battle deaths the US suffered in all of WW2, which includes POWs who died in captivity.
    Man thats a lot of losers and suckers to paraphrase someone

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I more support the ideals of the GOP than Trump
    Which seems to be "support Trump no matter what" so???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I've been wondering: what kind of canary are the Republicans going to send into the coal mine? Are any of them testing the waters, saying "Trump was wrong, after four years of backing him publicly and incessantly I finally admit that privately" and seeing if there's an open hand extended in return? Are any of them really hoping that the memory span of the sane American is that short? Because there are some good documentaries on the Nuremberg Trials about what happens when someone zealously follows a murderous dictator, then tries "you guys still mad about that?" after the fact. Spoiler alert: the word for someone who was a Nazi in WWII and was caught hiding years later is "Nazi". And no amount of "I have this funny meme about Hitler" changed that.
    At this point, I don't know if any Republican can be the one to let everyone know the Emperor has no clothes on. Many have tried, most of them were retiring from office, so they had no personal stake in the matter.

    We have seen what happens when people don't agree with Trump, his cultists will throw them under the bus. it doesn't matter how popular, how conservative, and how actually correct they are... they are all expendable. Ronald Reagan could rise from the fucking grave, and say he doesn't like Trump, and the GOP and Trumpsters would shoot him in the fucking head, and call him a RINO.

    As for what happens down the road, that's the part that the Trumpsters don't get, this will never be forgotten. This isn't a "move on" situation, this is a "Fuck you, Nazis" situation. I have probably 40 years left, and I will spend the rest of my days making sure that the Trumpsters never live down their bullshit. My kids will also know, because they are old enough to understand... so that's 65-70 years of showing disdain for the cultists. And yes, this is exactly how it should be dealt with, make the cost personal for them. Remove them from our lives, stop letting them be around our children, and simply think of them as being gone... and they are never coming back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I more support the ideals of the GOP than Trump
    Their 2020 platform IS trump:

    https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/docs...tform_2020.pdf

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    https://coronavirus.house.gov/news/p...officials-were

    Select Subcommittee Investigation Finds Evidence Career CDC Officials Were Directed To Destroy Record Of Political Interference By Trump Administration


    Man, trying to find everything that the Trump administration is deleting and trying to hide is gonna be rough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxx79 View Post
    Was gonna say.

    The Republican Party doesn't have ideals. Once you winnow down through the past platform positions they've consistently ignored or acted delibertately against (small government, individual freedoms, economic conservativism, etc), the only real ideals they could be said to hold as a party are white supremacism and fascism. And Trump's as good a figurehead for those as anyone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    The Republican Party doesn't have ideals
    When I was a kid, I was an optimist that believed in the best of people and sharing with everyone.

    When you become an adult, views can change. I believe nationalism (faith in your nation above all else) has its place and *excessive* multiculturalism and welcoming of foreigners and immigration can and does lead to problems. A lot of problems we face today. That's as polite as I could put it without singling out any nation or group.

    I thought the whole reason the GOP exists isn't to promote white nationalism (as people like to say), but just American interests above all else.

    I assume the reason people voted for Trump is not only that, but the fact he seemed more badass than Clinton. The kind of guy that takes shit from no one. Well, it didn't work out, I'll concede that much. My fears with Biden leading is whether or not he'll just resume the quo of being nice to everyone, including dictator mass murderers like Xi Jinping and Salman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    *snip*
    That's a really long winded way of saying you're a racist.

    Also, Trump is buddy with both Salman and Xi, so go away with the Biden bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    When I was a kid, I was an optimist that believed in the best of people and sharing with everyone.

    When you become an adult, views can change. I believe nationalism (faith in your nation above all else) has its place and *excessive* multiculturalism and welcoming of foreigners and immigration can and does lead to problems. A lot of problems we face today. That's as polite as I could put it without singling out any nation or group.

    I thought the whole reason the GOP exists isn't to promote white nationalism (as people like to say), but just American interests above all else.

    I assume the reason people voted for Trump is not only that, but the fact he seemed more badass than Clinton. The kind of guy that takes shit from no one. Well, it didn't work out, I'll concede that much. My fears with Biden leading is whether or not he'll just resume the quo of being nice to everyone, including dictator mass murderers like Xi Jinping and Salman.
    You just described that support of GOP and Trump is wholly dependent on the presentation of esthetics, not anything real or tangible. Think about it... Why do you hold arbitrary borders, as more important than the variety people within them? What’s the point to a nation, if not for the people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    You just described that support of GOP and Trump is wholly dependent on the presentation of esthetics, not anything real or tangible. Think about it... Why do you hold arbitrary borders, as more important than the variety people within them? What’s the point to a nation, if not for the people?
    In their mind the nation should only be for the “right” people, and all others will have their place and the scraps as long as they prop ,(low wage labor), up the “right” people.

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