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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    You just described that support of GOP and Trump is wholly dependent on the presentation of esthetics, not anything real or tangible. Think about it... Why do you hold arbitrary borders, as more important than the variety people within them? What’s the point to a nation, if not for the people?
    In their mind the nation should only be for the “right” people, and all others will have their place and the scraps as long as they prop ,(low wage labor), up the “right” people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    When I was a kid, I was an optimist that believed in the best of people and sharing with everyone.

    When you become an adult, views can change. I believe nationalism (faith in your nation above all else) has its place and *excessive* multiculturalism and welcoming of foreigners and immigration can and does lead to problems. A lot of problems we face today. That's as polite as I could put it without singling out any nation or group.
    The only problems multiculturalism provokes are that bigots don't like other cultures, and thus might engage in violence against those they hate.

    And in that case, the problem isn't the other cultures. It's the bigots. They're the only problem in that equation. They contribute nothing of value, whereas new cultural outlooks and diversity do, so there's literally no justifiable reason to side with the bigots on that issue.

    Well, one reason. That being that you're one of them and this is about protecting your own interests.

    I thought the whole reason the GOP exists isn't to promote white nationalism (as people like to say), but just American interests above all else.
    And American interests are, particularly domestically and historically, directly tied into white nationalism and white supremacy.

    Here's a simple test; are there demographic differences between ethnic groups in the USA, in terms of economic success? The answer, of course, is "yes". This fact has one of two possible explanations; the first is that those groups who fare less well have inherent inferiorities that lead to that lack of success on average. This is, obviously, racist as fuuuuck. The second is that systemic systems of discrimination have affected their ability to succeed. These systems are not just active bigotry; they include generational impacts from past bigotry and discrimination, passive discrimination by systems that are overtly race-agnostic but in practice rely on preferences that advantage certain groups, etc.

    Once you acknowledge those divides exist, and are the result of systemic racism, the next question (and this is the real test, here) is what should we do about that? If you answer "nothing", no matter what your reason may be, you're making an argument for a society predicated on white supremacy. You protect the status quo, which advantages white Americans over Hispanics and black Americans and so forth. That's what white supremacy looks like. It isn't just burning crosses and white hoods. Jim Crow was white supremacist, opposition to the civil rights movement was white supremacist, and this protection of a systemically racist status quo is just the next step along that same white supremacist axis.

    My fears with Biden leading is whether or not he'll just resume the quo of being nice to everyone, including dictator mass murderers like Xi Jinping and Salman.
    See, here's how we can tell you're really not a serious person, in how you approach this stuff.

    "Terrific working with President Xi, a man who truly loves his country."
    "China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!"
    "I just spoke to President Xi last night, and, you know, we're working on the — the problem, the virus. It's a — it's a very tough situation. But I think he's going to handle it. I think he's handled it really well. "
    "Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days … Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!"
    "I think they've handled it professionally and I think they're extremely capable and I think President Xi is extremely capable and I hope that it's going to be resolved."

    And that's not even close to as many as I could pull up. That's all Trump, outright praising Xi Jinping. Fawning over him, in fact. And that's just from January-February of 2020, and that's excluding a whole lot more instances where he repeated much the same things, often in the same words.

    Trump has stated that he "loves" Xi Jinping. So get the fuck outta here worrying that Biden will be too buddy-buddy with a dictator.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Trump has stated that he "loves" Xi Jinping. So get the fuck outta here worrying that Biden will be too buddy-buddy with a dictator.
    To say nothing of Trump's constant praise for Vladimir Putin and his claim that he and Kim Jong Un are best friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I assume the reason people voted for Trump is not only that, but the fact he seemed more badass than Clinton. The kind of guy that takes shit from no one.
    Who the fuck was Trump hard on? Because he picnicked with the Taliban. He shook hands with Kim Jong Un. He started and subsequently lost a trade war with China. He abandoned the US's long-time allies in Syria. He ignored Putin putting bounties on US soldiers.

    The toughest he's been with any country is probably Iran, and his actions gave them the pretext to ignore the nuclear deal made in 2015; they're now at about 12x the limit of enriched uranium imposed by that deal, and just announced that they're building two new nuclear facilities.

    Trump has been a COLOSSAL failure at being a "badass" on the international scene.

    No, the real victim of Trump's "badass" and "take shit from no one" attitudes... are the American people. He's spent more time systematically targeting, blaming, and then lying to the people of this country, and yet people like you like to pretend that he's patriotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    To say nothing of Trump's constant praise for Vladimir Putin and his claim that he and Kim Jong Un are best friends.
    And Erdogan. And Duterte. In fact it's hard to find a dictator anywhere in the world that Trump hasn't showered with praise. Worrying that Biden might be too friendly towards them represents so much projection that I just read his post on the side of the moon.
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    Trump has cozied up to dictators while turning his back to many of our allies. He also obviously wishes he could join their ranks. He's an authoritarian through-and-through and has done more to undermine our democratic systems than any other president. For his constituency, at least, he has almost single-handedly destroyed trust in the institution of journalism, and is currently doing the same to science, medicine, and the voting process itself.

    He is a stupid, racist, sexist, xenophobic coward. He's petulant, he lies constantly, he cheats and steals habitually. He's a perpetual loser who uses family wealth and connections to mask his failures.

    That's why people voted for him. Deep down they relate to him. They agree with his rhetoric and wish they had his wealth. And they think if they support him, they'll get what they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Who the fuck was Trump hard on? Because he picnicked with the Taliban. He shook hands with Kim Jong Un. He started and subsequently lost a trade war with China. He abandoned the US's long-time allies in Syria. He ignored Putin putting bounties on US soldiers.

    The toughest he's been with any country is probably Iran, and his actions gave them the pretext to ignore the nuclear deal made in 2015; they're now at about 12x the limit of enriched uranium imposed by that deal, and just announced that they're building two new nuclear facilities.

    Trump has been a COLOSSAL failure at being a "badass" on the international scene.

    No, the real victim of Trump's "badass" and "take shit from no one" attitudes... are the American people. He's spent more time systematically targeting, blaming, and then lying to the people of this country, and yet people like you like to pretend that he's patriotic.
    like i said, he didn't quite turn out the way people expected. That said, I admitted why I voted for him along with a barebones summary of my ideals and siding with the GOP. There shouldn't be anything wrong with admitting as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    like i said, he didn't quite turn out the way people expected. That said, I admitted why I voted for him along with a barebones summary of my ideals and siding with the GOP. There shouldn't be anything wrong with admitting as much.
    He turned out exactly as predicted. An incompetent narcissist.

    Everyone who know him before his run as president knew what was going to happen.

    He is 74 years old and what 40 years of his behavior patterns and scandals have been observed in public view and in the courts.

    To say he didn’t turn out as expected is to say “I did no research on the history or past behaviors of the person I am voting for”.

    It is willful ignorance by many Americans that has lead to the death of nearly 300k Americans which is about 85% of the population of the city I live in.

    Imagine that shit, 85% of my town fucking gone in less than a year. To put in perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    like i said, he didn't quite turn out the way people expected. That said, I admitted why I voted for him along with a barebones summary of my ideals and siding with the GOP. There shouldn't be anything wrong with admitting as much.
    He turned out exactly as anyone with an ounce of brain in their skull could have predicted. I mean honestly even if you weren't up on his stupidity before, including being business partners with Jefferey Epstein joking that Epstein liked em even younger than Trump of which I'm paraphrasing a statement made by him, you sure as hell had time to know in the primaries.

    We literally have decades of his public, private, and business conduct. How he acted as president matches exactly how he conducted himself in public, business, and based on private accounts: an incompetent idiot who road daddy's coat tails his entire life and regularly screwed/stiffed lenders which was why no western lender would touch him for decades except one who is now being investigated for fraud/laundering for Russia among others.

    People like you are now rationalizing what was obvious for them to see, much as they did to justify their vote at the start, in an effort to make themselves feel better about their shitty choices/judgement or to convince them that the shit choice was actually great and it's reality that's wrong! Normally you'd be right that admitting you made a mistake isn't an issue. Depending on the mistake and how obvious it was to see coming and if you show an actually understanding of what went wrong. So far you've only expressed regret that Trump wasn't as good at doing the shitty thing he promised to do as you'd hoped. He literally acted exactly as he always has for his entire life. Or at least his 50 plus years of adulthood.
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    He was literally in court for fraud during the election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    he seemed more badass than Clinton. The kind of guy that takes shit from no one.
    In short, you were looking for a strongman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    In short, you were looking for a strongman.
    ...and got a clown.

    "Trump: Not the Circus Act America Wanted"

    It writes itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    In short, you were looking for a strongman.
    A racist strongman if we're to judge by Yuppie's rants about multiculturalism.

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    According to this HHS document, Washington DC was given all of 108 doses of Regeneron's monoclonal antibody cocktail. Somehow Rudy Giuliani qualified for one of them.
    https://t.co/2dblc0bvcf
    https://twitter.com/michelleinbklyn/...664824832?s=19

    Okay Trumpkins, probably last time to talk about that swamp problem.

    I'm shocked all these antibodies went just to DC. Let's see we know Ben Carson received it. Now of course Guilliani, who cut in line at Georgetown hospital and then makes it as if if Covid is no big deal.

    Forget about Chris Christie. Supposedly Trump is pulling strings for his allies
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    "Buh dah DEMS"

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    ...and got a clown.

    "Trump: Not the Circus Act America Wanted"

    It writes itself.
    And thank god for that.
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    And again, let’s presume equity in schools is achievable. Then why should a parent read to a child?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    When I was a kid, I was an optimist that believed in the best of people and sharing with everyone.

    When you become an adult, views can change. I believe nationalism (faith in your nation above all else) has its place and *excessive* multiculturalism and welcoming of foreigners and immigration can and does lead to problems. A lot of problems we face today. That's as polite as I could put it without singling out any nation or group.

    I thought the whole reason the GOP exists isn't to promote white nationalism (as people like to say), but just American interests above all else.

    I assume the reason people voted for Trump is not only that, but the fact he seemed more badass than Clinton. The kind of guy that takes shit from no one. Well, it didn't work out, I'll concede that much. My fears with Biden leading is whether or not he'll just resume the quo of being nice to everyone, including dictator mass murderers like Xi Jinping and Salman.
    So... racism, but make it polite sounding? Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    When I was a kid, I was an optimist that believed in the best of people and sharing with everyone.

    When you become an adult, views can change. I believe nationalism (faith in your nation above all else) has its place and *excessive* multiculturalism and welcoming of foreigners and immigration can and does lead to problems. A lot of problems we face today. That's as polite as I could put it without singling out any nation or group.

    I thought the whole reason the GOP exists isn't to promote white nationalism (as people like to say), but just American interests above all else.
    so you are pretty much saying you are a fascist? the Mussolini model

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    When I was a kid, I was an optimist that believed in the best of people and sharing with everyone.

    When you become an adult, views can change. I believe nationalism (faith in your nation above all else) has its place and *excessive* multiculturalism and welcoming of foreigners and immigration can and does lead to problems. A lot of problems we face today. That's as polite as I could put it without singling out any nation or group.

    I thought the whole reason the GOP exists isn't to promote white nationalism (as people like to say), but just American interests above all else.

    I assume the reason people voted for Trump is not only that, but the fact he seemed more badass than Clinton. The kind of guy that takes shit from no one. Well, it didn't work out, I'll concede that much. My fears with Biden leading is whether or not he'll just resume the quo of being nice to everyone, including dictator mass murderers like Xi Jinping and Salman.

    How can a person that does nothing but whine and cry on twitter about how unfairly he is treated, seem like a badass and takes shit from no one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    How can a person that does nothing but whine and cry on twitter about how unfairly he is treated, seem like a badass and takes shit from no one?
    It's a commentary on what older white Americans think being a badass looks like and that's very telling as to why the country is in the state it's in.

    Basically, the United States is experiencing terminal Death By Boomer.
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    When I was a kid, I was an optimist that believed in the best of people and sharing with everyone.

    When you become an adult, views can change. I believe nationalism (faith in your nation above all else) has its place and *excessive* multiculturalism and welcoming of foreigners and immigration can and does lead to problems. A lot of problems we face today. That's as polite as I could put it without singling out any nation or group.

    I thought the whole reason the GOP exists isn't to promote white nationalism (as people like to say), but just American interests above all else.

    I assume the reason people voted for Trump is not only that, but the fact he seemed more badass than Clinton. The kind of guy that takes shit from no one. Well, it didn't work out, I'll concede that much. My fears with Biden leading is whether or not he'll just resume the quo of being nice to everyone, including dictator mass murderers like Xi Jinping and Salman.
    Did you have a problem with Trump sucking up to erdogan, Kim Jon Un and Putin? And Xi Jinping when he could personally profit?

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