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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...tions?ref=home

    does this really raise suspicion Trump is potentially a traitor, I mean these sorts of things pop up all the time but Trump always says he's an American so the skepticism is high
    I’ve been posting this for years. But, you need a credible journalist, not a random on the internet? la di da... fancy... lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I more support the ideals of the GOP than Trump
    The GOP's only ideals is that they support Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I more support the ideals of the GOP than Trump
    Nope, you are an admitted Trump supporter, stop lying.

    You spent months shilling for racists and fascists, stop trying to retcon it, because you got busted.

    It's a shame you decided to support traitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Nope, you are an admitted Trump supporter, stop lying.
    I've been wondering: what kind of canary are the Republicans going to send into the coal mine? Are any of them testing the waters, saying "Trump was wrong, after four years of backing him publicly and incessantly I finally admit that privately" and seeing if there's an open hand extended in return? Are any of them really hoping that the memory span of the sane American is that short? Because there are some good documentaries on the Nuremberg Trials about what happens when someone zealously follows a murderous dictator, then tries "you guys still mad about that?" after the fact. Spoiler alert: the word for someone who was a Nazi in WWII and was caught hiding years later is "Nazi". And no amount of "I have this funny meme about Hitler" changed that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I've been wondering: what kind of canary are the Republicans going to send into the coal mine?
    Republicans would say that the canary obviously had a preexisting condition that was the true cause of death, that gas you can't smell or taste is no worse then the flu, and finally that Hospitals make billions off of claiming that all deaths are underground gas related to feed off Liberal Commie hysteria.

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    Isn't the canary that the GOP wants to send into the coal mine a bunch of uncle Jimbobs out in West Virginia?

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    296K dead has now passed the total number of battle deaths the US suffered in all of WW2, which includes POWs who died in captivity.
    Man thats a lot of losers and suckers to paraphrase someone

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I more support the ideals of the GOP than Trump
    Which seems to be "support Trump no matter what" so???
    MMO-Champ the place where calling out trolls get you into more trouble than trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I've been wondering: what kind of canary are the Republicans going to send into the coal mine? Are any of them testing the waters, saying "Trump was wrong, after four years of backing him publicly and incessantly I finally admit that privately" and seeing if there's an open hand extended in return? Are any of them really hoping that the memory span of the sane American is that short? Because there are some good documentaries on the Nuremberg Trials about what happens when someone zealously follows a murderous dictator, then tries "you guys still mad about that?" after the fact. Spoiler alert: the word for someone who was a Nazi in WWII and was caught hiding years later is "Nazi". And no amount of "I have this funny meme about Hitler" changed that.
    At this point, I don't know if any Republican can be the one to let everyone know the Emperor has no clothes on. Many have tried, most of them were retiring from office, so they had no personal stake in the matter.

    We have seen what happens when people don't agree with Trump, his cultists will throw them under the bus. it doesn't matter how popular, how conservative, and how actually correct they are... they are all expendable. Ronald Reagan could rise from the fucking grave, and say he doesn't like Trump, and the GOP and Trumpsters would shoot him in the fucking head, and call him a RINO.

    As for what happens down the road, that's the part that the Trumpsters don't get, this will never be forgotten. This isn't a "move on" situation, this is a "Fuck you, Nazis" situation. I have probably 40 years left, and I will spend the rest of my days making sure that the Trumpsters never live down their bullshit. My kids will also know, because they are old enough to understand... so that's 65-70 years of showing disdain for the cultists. And yes, this is exactly how it should be dealt with, make the cost personal for them. Remove them from our lives, stop letting them be around our children, and simply think of them as being gone... and they are never coming back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I more support the ideals of the GOP than Trump
    Their 2020 platform IS trump:

    https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/docs...tform_2020.pdf

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    https://coronavirus.house.gov/news/p...officials-were

    Select Subcommittee Investigation Finds Evidence Career CDC Officials Were Directed To Destroy Record Of Political Interference By Trump Administration


    Man, trying to find everything that the Trump administration is deleting and trying to hide is gonna be rough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxx79 View Post
    Was gonna say.

    The Republican Party doesn't have ideals. Once you winnow down through the past platform positions they've consistently ignored or acted delibertately against (small government, individual freedoms, economic conservativism, etc), the only real ideals they could be said to hold as a party are white supremacism and fascism. And Trump's as good a figurehead for those as anyone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    The Republican Party doesn't have ideals
    When I was a kid, I was an optimist that believed in the best of people and sharing with everyone.

    When you become an adult, views can change. I believe nationalism (faith in your nation above all else) has its place and *excessive* multiculturalism and welcoming of foreigners and immigration can and does lead to problems. A lot of problems we face today. That's as polite as I could put it without singling out any nation or group.

    I thought the whole reason the GOP exists isn't to promote white nationalism (as people like to say), but just American interests above all else.

    I assume the reason people voted for Trump is not only that, but the fact he seemed more badass than Clinton. The kind of guy that takes shit from no one. Well, it didn't work out, I'll concede that much. My fears with Biden leading is whether or not he'll just resume the quo of being nice to everyone, including dictator mass murderers like Xi Jinping and Salman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    *snip*
    That's a really long winded way of saying you're a racist.

    Also, Trump is buddy with both Salman and Xi, so go away with the Biden bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    When I was a kid, I was an optimist that believed in the best of people and sharing with everyone.

    When you become an adult, views can change. I believe nationalism (faith in your nation above all else) has its place and *excessive* multiculturalism and welcoming of foreigners and immigration can and does lead to problems. A lot of problems we face today. That's as polite as I could put it without singling out any nation or group.

    I thought the whole reason the GOP exists isn't to promote white nationalism (as people like to say), but just American interests above all else.

    I assume the reason people voted for Trump is not only that, but the fact he seemed more badass than Clinton. The kind of guy that takes shit from no one. Well, it didn't work out, I'll concede that much. My fears with Biden leading is whether or not he'll just resume the quo of being nice to everyone, including dictator mass murderers like Xi Jinping and Salman.
    You just described that support of GOP and Trump is wholly dependent on the presentation of esthetics, not anything real or tangible. Think about it... Why do you hold arbitrary borders, as more important than the variety people within them? What’s the point to a nation, if not for the people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    You just described that support of GOP and Trump is wholly dependent on the presentation of esthetics, not anything real or tangible. Think about it... Why do you hold arbitrary borders, as more important than the variety people within them? What’s the point to a nation, if not for the people?
    In their mind the nation should only be for the “right” people, and all others will have their place and the scraps as long as they prop ,(low wage labor), up the “right” people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    When I was a kid, I was an optimist that believed in the best of people and sharing with everyone.

    When you become an adult, views can change. I believe nationalism (faith in your nation above all else) has its place and *excessive* multiculturalism and welcoming of foreigners and immigration can and does lead to problems. A lot of problems we face today. That's as polite as I could put it without singling out any nation or group.
    The only problems multiculturalism provokes are that bigots don't like other cultures, and thus might engage in violence against those they hate.

    And in that case, the problem isn't the other cultures. It's the bigots. They're the only problem in that equation. They contribute nothing of value, whereas new cultural outlooks and diversity do, so there's literally no justifiable reason to side with the bigots on that issue.

    Well, one reason. That being that you're one of them and this is about protecting your own interests.

    I thought the whole reason the GOP exists isn't to promote white nationalism (as people like to say), but just American interests above all else.
    And American interests are, particularly domestically and historically, directly tied into white nationalism and white supremacy.

    Here's a simple test; are there demographic differences between ethnic groups in the USA, in terms of economic success? The answer, of course, is "yes". This fact has one of two possible explanations; the first is that those groups who fare less well have inherent inferiorities that lead to that lack of success on average. This is, obviously, racist as fuuuuck. The second is that systemic systems of discrimination have affected their ability to succeed. These systems are not just active bigotry; they include generational impacts from past bigotry and discrimination, passive discrimination by systems that are overtly race-agnostic but in practice rely on preferences that advantage certain groups, etc.

    Once you acknowledge those divides exist, and are the result of systemic racism, the next question (and this is the real test, here) is what should we do about that? If you answer "nothing", no matter what your reason may be, you're making an argument for a society predicated on white supremacy. You protect the status quo, which advantages white Americans over Hispanics and black Americans and so forth. That's what white supremacy looks like. It isn't just burning crosses and white hoods. Jim Crow was white supremacist, opposition to the civil rights movement was white supremacist, and this protection of a systemically racist status quo is just the next step along that same white supremacist axis.

    My fears with Biden leading is whether or not he'll just resume the quo of being nice to everyone, including dictator mass murderers like Xi Jinping and Salman.
    See, here's how we can tell you're really not a serious person, in how you approach this stuff.

    "Terrific working with President Xi, a man who truly loves his country."
    "China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!"
    "I just spoke to President Xi last night, and, you know, we're working on the — the problem, the virus. It's a — it's a very tough situation. But I think he's going to handle it. I think he's handled it really well. "
    "Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days … Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!"
    "I think they've handled it professionally and I think they're extremely capable and I think President Xi is extremely capable and I hope that it's going to be resolved."

    And that's not even close to as many as I could pull up. That's all Trump, outright praising Xi Jinping. Fawning over him, in fact. And that's just from January-February of 2020, and that's excluding a whole lot more instances where he repeated much the same things, often in the same words.

    Trump has stated that he "loves" Xi Jinping. So get the fuck outta here worrying that Biden will be too buddy-buddy with a dictator.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Trump has stated that he "loves" Xi Jinping. So get the fuck outta here worrying that Biden will be too buddy-buddy with a dictator.
    To say nothing of Trump's constant praise for Vladimir Putin and his claim that he and Kim Jong Un are best friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I assume the reason people voted for Trump is not only that, but the fact he seemed more badass than Clinton. The kind of guy that takes shit from no one.
    Who the fuck was Trump hard on? Because he picnicked with the Taliban. He shook hands with Kim Jong Un. He started and subsequently lost a trade war with China. He abandoned the US's long-time allies in Syria. He ignored Putin putting bounties on US soldiers.

    The toughest he's been with any country is probably Iran, and his actions gave them the pretext to ignore the nuclear deal made in 2015; they're now at about 12x the limit of enriched uranium imposed by that deal, and just announced that they're building two new nuclear facilities.

    Trump has been a COLOSSAL failure at being a "badass" on the international scene.

    No, the real victim of Trump's "badass" and "take shit from no one" attitudes... are the American people. He's spent more time systematically targeting, blaming, and then lying to the people of this country, and yet people like you like to pretend that he's patriotic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    To say nothing of Trump's constant praise for Vladimir Putin and his claim that he and Kim Jong Un are best friends.
    And Erdogan. And Duterte. In fact it's hard to find a dictator anywhere in the world that Trump hasn't showered with praise. Worrying that Biden might be too friendly towards them represents so much projection that I just read his post on the side of the moon.
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