Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Benggaul]

199,875 new cases; about 12k fewer than last Tuesday. An encouraging sign as I don't think even the late counts will put it much higher.

Top 20:

California: 35,384 new cases; 290 deaths (new record)
Texas: 19,718 new cases; 220 deaths
New York: 10,613 new cases; 126 deaths
Pennsylvania: 9,704 new cases; 261 deaths
Fuck Florida.
Ohio: 8,755 new cases; 96 deaths
Tennessee: 8,251 new cases; 74 deaths
Georgia: 7,437 new cases; 56 deaths
Illinois: 7,359 new cases; 132 deaths
Michigan: 5,391 new cases; 206 deaths
North Carolina: 5,236 new cases; 26 deaths
Indiana: 4,241 new cases; 128 deaths
Arizona: 4,134 new cases; 64 deaths
Massachusetts: 3,929 new cases; 55 deaths
Missouri: 3,825 new cases; 162 deaths (new record)
New Jersey: 3,661 new cases; 86 deaths
Alabama: 3,638 new cases; 22 deaths
Wisconsin: 3,501 new cases; 54 deaths
Virginia: 3,160 new cases; 56 deaths
Kentucky: 2,928 new cases; 15 deaths

Other states with new case/death records: West Virginia and Oregon.

With all of the totals in for yesterday it appears that it was the first day in a few months (barring holidays) that the case count has gone down compared to the previous week. Today was also the case in a much more substantial way. Whether or not this is a temporary dip, a plateau or if we're coming down off of the peak of nearly 250k last week remains to be seen. Experts said that the "peak" won't be until around inauguration day and I fully expect spikes to happen during the holidays, so we'll just have to wait and see.

Another positive sign is that positivity and new cases are down for most of the Midwest--the epicenter of this last wave. South Dakota is still a shitfest but it's slightly less of a shitfest than it had been. Positivity is still increasing in most other regions of the US, but for the most part it's not as dramatic as what we've already seen. The problem, of course, is that even if the best scenario is happening and we're coming down from the peak we will still have several days of 200k+ numbers--meaning several thousand people per day hospitalized in hospitals that are already full to bursting. We'll see in the next few days exactly how fucked things still are.

2,976 deaths is 1 fewer than last Tuesday and brings the total to 311,068. This, however, I expect to be an anomaly as deaths lag behind cases as always. We'll be seeing near-3k numbers for a while longer, at least. If we ARE coming down from the peak, expect most of the forthcoming records to be death totals.

Related news:

Despite Covid, 4 million traveled for Thanksgiving, new data shows--I get a sense that more states have stopped being as honest in their reporting as they should be, which might account for the current dip, and data like this all but confirms that we likely got a Thanksgiving bump. I'm expecting worse over the next 3 weeks.

Lawmakers in 11th-hour negotiations on COVID-19 relief--Personally I'm not all that hopeful for any meaningful package. McConnell and the GOP have stonewalled for far too long in an effort to protect big businesses...and people are still trying to blame the Dems for stalling.

US nursing homes, confused by initial COVID-19 vaccine rollout, will begin immunizations next week--Remember that "Walgreens" thing Trump was gibbering about a while ago? Turns out this totally fucked a lot of nursing homes who should otherwise have gotten the first wave of vaccines.

Stay safe, folks.

[YUPPIE]

It doesn't, actually.

Mary hates Donald to the point of probably thinking he'd be better off dead. So as some critics noted, unreliable (biased) narrator is in effect with Too Much and Never Enough (its subtitle literally says Trump is the world's most dangerous man).

[Breccia]

Hey remember armed militant insurrection terrorist Ammon Bundy?

The Idaho Free Press does. They seem, um, "concerned" that he's telling his followers to prep for Round Two.

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2,976 deaths is 1 fewer than last Tuesday

Basically 3,000 again. Motherfuckers.

Despite Covid, 4 million traveled for Thanksgiving

Yeah...four million and one. Confession time.

[Kathranis]

Mary hates Donald to the point of probably thinking he'd be better off dead. So as some critics noted, unreliable (biased) narrator is in effect with Too Much and Never Enough (its subtitle literally says Trump is the world's most dangerous man).

She knows him better than most people do, and she's a clinical psychologist.

Not that it takes a trained professional to see that he has narcissistic personality disorder.

Nearly 300k people have died from COVID as he's exacerbated the problem. Plus the damage he's done to science, journalism, and democracy.

You make these comments like you're in any way objective but your biases are plain to see.

Trump has been a disaster for our nation.

[Breccia]

The exodus continues. Trump aid Lyons (the guy who replaced wife beater Porter) is the most recent passenger to take their chances in the icy cold water, rather than stay on the Titanic.

[Dontrike]

2,976 deaths is 1 fewer than last Tuesday and brings the total to 311,068. This, however, I expect to be an anomaly as deaths lag behind cases as always. We'll be seeing near-3k numbers for a while longer, at least. If we ARE coming down from the peak, expect most of the forthcoming records to be death totals.

We'll likely see cases spike, and deaths as well, with Christmas and New Years. it's going to be a shitty January and early February.

[Valerossi]

The difference between you and me, is I'm willing to admit I made a mistake. I apologize to the MMO-C community for responding to you, and promise it will never happen again.

Saved for when you can’t help yourself after all.

[Yetanothernewbie]

If you want to learn more about Trump, visit your local library.

Bold of you to assume he can read.

[YUPPIE]

She knows him better than most people do, and she's a clinical psychologist.

if Trump is a *low functioning* sociopath, he shouldn't have any charisma or remotely possess the ability to earn genuine loyalty from other people.

[Draco-Onis]

I am not saying its likely. But to say no one will is kind of a stretch. I mean I am fairly certain Rudy will do just about anything for the man until he gets a pardon along with a few others. They are just being strung along to keep doing his bidding until they get their out of jail free card.

Rudy has something they don't which he has openly said in public blackmail material on Trump also he is already involved in a lot of the you know crimes before Trump lost.

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if Trump is a *low functioning* sociopath, he shouldn't have any charisma or remotely possess the ability to earn genuine loyalty from other people.

Read a history book seriously the list of people able to do that is pretty darn long.

[Santti]

if Trump is a *low functioning* sociopath, he shouldn't have any charisma or remotely possess the ability to earn genuine loyalty from other people.

That's the bizarre thing that I can't really explain about Trump. He is so damn popular, but that guy having charisma is bollocks.

I'm guessing it's a mix of different things.

1) American politics = sports. The teams have their fans, and the political parties are all about the fandom. He is at the top, so he is the target of the fandom.
2) Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaires.
3) Americans are just that dumb. And racist. But mostly just dumb. Trump appeals to them.
4) Too tired to think of more reasons.



That's what we felt like, watching you making Trump your president.

[Gelannerai]

A low-functioning sociopath would absolutely appeal to the people that make up Trump’s base. Trump’s base loves action for action’s sake. It doesn’t matter what that action is, how beneficial or detrimental it is, or the target of said action, they love it regardless. Extra points if Trump can sling out pithy remarks in the process (win-win for Trump since the majority of the time the pithy remarks are the totality of said action). As long as Trump shit-talks people they don’t like, then he’s the greatest president ever in their eyes. Trump’s base is Barrens-chat given a political platform (literally in many cases given Bannon’s background).

[Gorsameth]

That's the bizarre thing that I can't really explain about Trump. He is so damn popular, but that guy having charisma is bollocks.

I'm guessing it's a mix of different things.

1) American politics = sports. The teams have their fans, and the political parties are all about the fandom. He is at the top, so he is the target of the fandom.
2) Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaires.
3) Americans are just that dumb. And racist. But mostly just dumb. Trump appeals to them.
4) Too tired to think of more reasons.
That's what we felt like, watching you making Trump your president.

Racists won him the Primary and everyone else is "party over country, victory at any cost".

[Orange Joe]

if Trump is a *low functioning* sociopath, he shouldn't have any charisma or remotely possess the ability to earn genuine loyalty from other people.

Bigly.... Yuge.. Yo'semite.... plosma... You only have to look at how he can't pronounce basic words.

[Skulltaker]

if Trump is a *low functioning* sociopath, he shouldn't have any charisma or remotely possess the ability to earn genuine loyalty from other people.

Unless they are even more retarded than he is. And Trump isn't a low functioning sociopath, he's a low functioning psychopath. A sociopaths defining trait is a defiance or reluctance to adhere to social norms. Trumps defining features can be found below.

A psychopath shows a lack of remorse, empathy, has antisocial behaviour, is overly bold, disinhibited and egotistical. Trump checks ALL traits commonly found in what we consider psychopaths. He's literally a textbook example.

Add to that that he is borderline retarded and horribly uneducated.

[Machismo]

if Trump is a *low functioning* sociopath, he shouldn't have any charisma or remotely possess the ability to earn genuine loyalty from other people.

He has managed to find a way to gain the love and admiration of racists and fascists.

[draynay]

if Trump is a *low functioning* sociopath, he shouldn't have any charisma or remotely possess the ability to earn genuine loyalty from other people.

I've seen you make this argument several times now, "if Trump is such a piece of shit, why do other pieces of shit like him so much?"

[Machismo]

I've seen you make this argument several times now, "if Trump is such a piece of shit, why do other pieces of shit like him so much?"

It's the classic lie people tell.

"He can't be terrible, I love him."

Abused wives and con artists say it all the time.

[Gelannerai]

Unless they are even more retarded than he is. And Trump isn't a low functioning sociopath, he's a low functioning psychopath. A sociopaths defining trait is a defiance or reluctance to adhere to social norms. Trumps defining features can be found below.

A psychopath shows a lack of remorse, empathy, has antisocial behaviour, is overly bold, disinhibited and egotistical. Trump checks ALL traits commonly found in what we consider psychopaths. He's literally a textbook example.

Add to that that he is borderline retarded and horribly uneducated.

That and history shows us repeated examples of psychopaths and sociopaths rising to power, very often to great fanfare from certain groups.

[Machismo]

if Trump is a *low functioning* sociopath, he shouldn't have any charisma or remotely possess the ability to earn genuine loyalty from other people.

Are you saying you only support high-functioning sociopaths like Hitler?