1. #62501
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    what did he say? I mean people say Trump always says "stupid shit" so I am genuinely looking for something specific here. Because if it's from the 2016 campaign in particular, I would be surprised since that's a moment where you would realistically say something compelling to garner votes instead of something that would alienate voters.
    he's announcment with how "mexico doesn't send his best people"
    lies about trade deficit
    lies about china
    lies Paris accord and climate change
    lies about NAFTA
    lies about TPP

    birthirsm

    and that is just off the top of my head about '16 Trump stupid things he said.

  2. #62502
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    it's not so much about the consequences for him. If he is exposed as a criminal, it would be a bad outlook for the US because a criminal was voted into office and that would demonstrate people didn't learn much after Nixon. Or in other words: places in the world would see US citizens as morons.
    The entire world already knows a criminal was voted into office in the US.

  3. #62503
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    what did he say? I mean people say Trump always says "stupid shit" so I am genuinely looking for something specific here. Because if it's from the 2016 campaign in particular, I would be surprised since that's a moment where you would realistically say something compelling to garner votes instead of something that would alienate voters.
    Here, pick one of those
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...s-cycle-214420

    There is something ethically, morally or factually wrong in most of them.

  4. #62504
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Can we stop giving this gas lighter attention?

    1,787 posts of pure crap, yet he still farms replies
    I've been begging for weeks for people to stop feeding it to no avail. I guess everyone feels they have a duty to point out that the obvious sealion is wrong. *shrug*

  5. #62505
    Quote Originally Posted by Low Hanging Fruit View Post
    Doesn't need to. The loon below Barr already is bumped up.
    I don't think we need to worry the reason that Barr left is because Trump is asking people to put their ass on the line when he is no longer going to be president. There's no one left in this administration that's going to put their freedom in jeopardy for citizen Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    when someone asked (the way I see it) why I haven't seemed to criticize Trump before. Well, at this point, it doesn't matter as I see it because he is soon to lose his power and fade into an unpleasant fate.

    I'm more concerned with what the FBI said before about being privy to horrible information about Trump. No, not the fact we'll ever know what that is but, rather, whether a lot of federal agents are waiting for Trump to leave office to bumrush him for incarceration. It would be a bad outlook for America.

    How is holding criminals responsible a bad outlook?
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  7. #62507
    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    How is holding criminals responsible a bad outlook?
    If I understand correctly, Yuppie's argument is that the world somehow thinks Trump is as pure as the driven snow and will be shocked - shocked! - that the United Sates elected a criminal by virtue of us charging him for his crimes. And yes, that that would somehow be worse than holding a a criminal accountable for their actions. Better to let him get away with it and save face than show what we stand for by following the law.
    Last edited by DarkTZeratul; 2020-12-15 at 10:59 PM.

  8. #62508
    Trump has been a known criminal for at least four decades. No sensible person in the rest of the world has ever thought otherwise.

  9. #62509
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    I don't think we need to worry the reason that Barr left is because Trump is asking people to put their ass on the line when he is no longer going to be president. There's no one left in this administration that's going to put their freedom in jeopardy for citizen Trump.
    I am not saying its likely. But to say no one will is kind of a stretch. I mean I am fairly certain Rudy will do just about anything for the man until he gets a pardon along with a few others. They are just being strung along to keep doing his bidding until they get their out of jail free card.

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    Another judge rules against Trump.

    No, this isn't another election lawsuit, this is business as usual... the NY AG going after Trump's financials.

    CNN: Trump Organization must turn over documents to NY attorney general, judge rules
    A state judge ruled Tuesday that the Trump Organization must turn over documents related to a property whose tax abatements were being investigated by New York Attorney General Letitia James' office.

    The Trump Organization previously claimed the documents were protected by attorney-client privilege.

    Amy Carlin, an attorney for the Trump Organization, argued Tuesday that the Trump organization had "every expectation that those communications would be confidential," regarding discussions about a property in Westchester County involving an engineer.

    The attorney general's office argued that the documents were not privileged, in part, because the Trump Organization had "waived privilege" when it disclosed certain documents to the IRS to "gain benefit," said attorney Eric Haren with the attorney general's office.

    Haren said that "literally everything other than the final appraisal value" was not disclosed to his office.

    James' office has been investigating President Donald Trump and the Trump Organization since 2019, when Trump's former attorney Michael Cohen testified before Congress that Trump's annual financial statements inflated the values of his assets in order to secure favorable loans and insurance coverage, but deflated the value of other assets in order to reduce real estate taxes.

    Haren argued Tuesday that refusal to release those documents has "delayed" the attorney general's ability to investigate.

    New York Supreme Court Judge Arthur Engoron made the ruling after arguments were conducted remotely Tuesday. Engoron previously ruled that the documents were privileged.


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    and genius is that genius has its limits."

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  11. #62511
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    If I understand correctly, Yuppie's argument is that the world somehow thinks Trump is as pure as the driven snow and will be shocked - shocked! - that the United Sates elected a criminal by virtue of us charging him for his crimes. And yes, that that would somehow be worse than holding a a criminal accountable for their actions. Better to let him get away with it and save face than show what we stand for by following the law.
    From talking to most of my coworkers (I'm in New Zealand btw), most people thought Trump was terrible, didn't understand why anybody would ever vote for him and thought that he was going to get re-elected because they thought Americans were just that dumb.

  12. #62512
    https://www.salon.com/2020/12/15/how...e-white-house/

    Enrique Tarrio revealed that he visited the executive mansion on Saturday after receiving a "last-minute invite to an undisclosed location." The White House later said that Tarrio had not been invited, but had instead taken part in a holiday tour. "He was on a public White House Christmas tour," White House spokesperson Judd Deere said over the weekend. "He did not have a meeting with the president, nor did the White House invite him."

    White House public tours are self-guided, and anyone who wants one, including Christmas tours, must apply no fewer than 21 days ahead of their booking date because the application includes a security form and background check. Hopefuls with a felony are generally denied, a former Trump White House official told Salon, unless a senior member of the administration intervenes.
    So...which "senior official" intervened to get a felon who sold millions worth of diabetes test stripes into the White House?

    - - - Updated - - -

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...abortion-pills

    The Trump administration asked the U.S. Supreme Court to reinstate a requirement that women visit a medical facility to obtain abortion-inducing pills, seeking to lift a lower-court order that has allowed delivery by mail during the pandemic.

    The filing Tuesday renews a request the court temporarily rejected in October, when it was shorthanded after the death of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. The Supreme Court now has a stronger conservative majority with Justice Amy Coney Barrett having filled Ginsburg’s seat.

    The Oct. 8 Supreme Court order said the government should first ask a federal trial judge in Maryland to consider modifying or lifting his order blocking the in-person requirement. At the time, the justices said they weren’t making an assessment on the merits.

    U.S. District Judge Theodore Chuang reaffirmed his order last week, saying that progress on vaccines and treatments for Covid-19 “has not meaningfully altered the current health risks and obstacles to women seeking medication abortions.”

    The Trump administration says the in-person rule doesn’t pose a significant obstacle to abortion access, particularly given the availability of surgical procedures. The Food and Drug Administration has always required that mifepristone, approved in 2000, be dispensed at a medical office, clinic or hospital.
    Worth noting that other drugs covered by this rule continue to be sent via the mail without issue. It's just this drug that they want women to risk their health to get.

    Again, there seems to be no purpose to this beyond restricting women's access to reproductive rights. The cruelty does indeed seem to be the point.

  13. #62513
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    None of them did. He took a public tour based on all the photos. Same one I took when I was 13. Dude was lying on social media to make himself seem important.
    Read what I included in my quote. All guests are subject to background checks, and felons are routinely denied access, with more here -

    In the past, people who have been invited to the White House specifically because of their work on criminal justice reform have been denied entry. For instance, Vicki Lopez, a former county commissioner in Florida who had been previously sentenced to 27 months in federal prison for mail fraud, was not allowed into the Obama White House in 2009, despite receiving a commutation from former President Bill Clinton. People with prior convictions who are able to gain entry are generally given special badges and personal escorts. It would be highly unusual for someone with Tarrio's criminal history to get inside the White House without someone high up in the administration personally pulling strings, according to the former senior White House official.
    They don't just let felons casually walk around the White House, dude. Even for a public tour.

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    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...versity-444661

    And more on Jerry Falwell Jr's bullshit -

    After shocking many in the evangelical movement by endorsing Donald Trump over other Republicans for the 2016 presidential nomination, Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr. pumped millions of the nonprofit religious institution’s funds into Republican causes and efforts to promote the Trump administration, blurring the lines between education and politics.

    The culmination of his efforts was the creation of a university-funded campus “think tank” — which has produced no peer-reviewed academic work and bears little relation to study centers at other universities that ran pro-Trump ads, hired Trump allies including former adviser Sebastian Gorka and current Trump attorney Jenna Ellis to serve as fellows and, in recent weeks, has aggressively promoted Trump’s baseless claims of election fraud.

    The think tank — called the Falkirk Center, a portmanteau of Falwell’s name and that of GOP activist Charlie Kirk, who co-founded it — purchased campaign-season ads on Facebook, at least $50,000's worth of which were designated by the network as political ads, that promoted Trump and other Republican candidates by name.

    “Pray For Our President,” declared one, featuring a photo of Trump with his hands clasped in prayer.

    ...

    Liberty’s actions, detailed for the first time by POLITICO, suggest the university is pushing the boundaries of its status as a nonprofit organization under Section 501c(3) of the federal tax code, which forbids spending money on political campaigns. Liberty’s actions also go well beyond the traditional role of a university as a politically neutral institution of higher learning.

    The apparatus of the university has turned more and more towards political ends and concerns,” said Marybeth Baggett, a Liberty graduate who taught at the school from 2003 until this past spring. “Obviously the school is conservative, yes. But I don’t feel like it was ever so agenda-driven as it was in the last four of five years.”
    So...pretty much what ever Republican "think-tank" ends up being: Coming to a conclusion, finding evidence to support it, and blindly supporting it.

    Institutions that were once created to bring together the best and the brightest to look at evidence and come up with police proposals based off that evidence were hijacked when those conclusions ended up being frequently progressive positions - because that's what the evidence said. So the conservative response wasn't to mirror this structure, but to put together conservative thinkers to promote conservative conclusions.

  14. #62514
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    That’s in a normal white house. In Trump’s you couldn’t expect them to have to make exemptions for every felon or they’d spend 90% of their time on that shit.
    Literally not how any of this works, unless you're just being cheeky.

  15. #62515
    Maralago...and Epstein..

  16. #62516
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...&source=Reddit

    Huh, apparently Republicans love large-scale drug dealers now? Or at least people who facilitate drug sales? Trump's considering granting clemency to the Silk Road founder, and I never would have imagined seeing Charlie Kirk coming out in support of granting clemency for the dude given his crimes.

    I'm all for not imprisoning low-level offenders for minor possession and personal use, but a guy who spent years secretly operating the "ebay for drugs"? Yeah, not quite a low-level offender or some guy who just enjoys a line every once in a while.

  17. #62517
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...&source=Reddit

    Huh, apparently Republicans love large-scale drug dealers now? Or at least people who facilitate drug sales? Trump's considering granting clemency to the Silk Road founder, and I never would have imagined seeing Charlie Kirk coming out in support of granting clemency for the dude given his crimes.

    I'm all for not imprisoning low-level offenders for minor possession and personal use, but a guy who spent years secretly operating the "ebay for drugs"? Yeah, not quite a low-level offender or some guy who just enjoys a line every once in a while.
    Seems kinda counter to the "we need to put up the wall because it will stop all the drug trafficking!" rhetoric, eh?

  18. #62518
    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Seems kinda counter to the "we need to put up the wall because it will stop all the drug trafficking!" rhetoric, eh?
    Well, I imagine now that they don't have to worry about Steve King salivating over strapping young Mexican men carrying 50lbs of marijuana on their backs with their grapefruit sized thighs, they're re-evaluating that position.

  19. #62519
    for someone who on the previous page that said go to a library to learn more about Trump: for what it is, I read Mary's book. The same tell all book that pretty much describes our soon to be ex-president as a low functioning, retarded (no really) sociopath ill fit for pretty much any task in life. If that sounds outlandish, it is what is written and why the book is controversial.

  20. #62520
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    ...pretty much describes our soon to be ex-president as a low functioning, retarded (no really) sociopath ill fit for pretty much any task in life. If that sounds outlandish,
    As someone who has lived through the last five years, it doesn't. And that's the problem.

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