Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[PhaelixWW]

I don’t understand what he expected here... Seattle wasn’t going to swing right... Spokane is a quick transition...

It wasn't until about 1990 that Seattle turned blue. Even until 2000, Washington as a whole was pretty much a swing state. I've talked to a number of people who moved here in the 80s or even 90s and who say they can't stand it here now, so those people definitely exist.

I never know just what to say to them, however.

[Rasulis]

It wasn't until about 1990 that Seattle turned blue. Even until 2000, Washington as a whole was pretty much a swing state. I've talked to a number of people who moved here in the 80s or even 90s and who say they can't stand it here now, so those people definitely exist.

I never know just what to say to them, however.

You can blame Amazon for turning Seattle into SF light and Washington State blue.

[Edge-]

Hate crimes in the U.S. rose to the highest level in more than a decade as federal officials also recorded the highest number of hate-motivated killings since the FBI began collecting that data in the early 1990s, according to an FBI report released Monday.

So...is America "Great Again"? Is this "Mission Accomplished"?

[PhaelixWW]

Sure.... say hello to those Spokane winters for me You dont really need to go that far east. Things get Trumpy fast in Monroe or Puyallup.

It's more visible, sure, but the whole Puget Sound area, including Snohomish and Pierce, voted blue. I drove to Leavenworth a few months ago, however, and it's much more blatant once you get out of the Sound counties. I haven't visited my relatives in Spokane in a while, and I'm honestly a bit scared to see what it's like over there these days.

[Breccia]

If Ivanka is smart, she’ll divorce him.

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Sorry, meant Melena

You were right both times.

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So...is America "Great Again"? Is this "Mission Accomplished"?

Having never clicked on that link and having not read any articles in the last week where this was the topic, I hereby predict that, after clicking that link and reading that article, it will be mostly white men attacking or killing black people, latinos, and/or gay people.

(clicks link)

Well that wasn't as clear-cut as I thought, but, I was at least 70% vindicated.

[tehealadin]

I was listening to a podcast regarding Trump and reading an interesting article in the Guardian, and they raised some interesting points I think are worth considering. I know a great deal will flat out reject some of the assertions regarding Trump, but I am inclined to believe them. Namely that the true danger of Trump wasn't so much him, it is what he has potentially opened the door to. That he was never the Hitler that many made him out to be, nor could he ever be, that he was too narcissistic and incompetent to reach those levels, there was no grand plan for the country beyond his own enrichment and empowerment and in that regard the US got off lucky. Whilst he did do harm, helped divide the nation further as well as the global political implications, this was no reenactment of the third reich (again, this is not the same as me saying it was all sunshine and flowers with no harm done). The true danger being that he has shown that someone like him can reach those levels of power, and that a competent Trump, with a grand vision for the country beyond self interest, would be far more dangerous. He toppled norms in a way that no other president has and showed the levels that you can sink to in the office. We can only hope such a person doesn't rise.

[PhaelixWW]

You can blame Amazon for turning Seattle into SF light and Washington State blue.

I mean, Amazon absolutely has directly contributed to the the trend, but it long predates their involvement.

[Zan15]

Both Moderna and Astra Zeneca accepted government funding for their vaccine development as part of Warp Speed. Financially, they are babies compared to Pfizer. So they definitely could use the funding.

funding for development or just an agreement to purchase?
seriously i just woke up and did not start reading up on the background

[Milchshake]

It's more visible, sure, but the whole Puget Sound area, including Snohomish and Pierce, voted blue. I drove to Leavenworth a few months ago, however, and it's much more blatant once you get out of the Sound counties. I haven't visited my relatives in Spokane in a while, and I'm honestly a bit scared to see what it's like over there these days.

For fun, read the comments section of The Spokesman-Review, KHQ, or KREM.... yikes. Major effort to recall the County Health supervisor.

I mean, Amazon absolutely has directly contributed to the the trend, but it long predates their involvement.

Ya, there's these small companies; Microsoft, Boeing, The University of Washington... Seattle has been mostly blue since the Denny Party landed at Alki.

[Zan15]

Another Vaccine just announced. This time by Moderna, 95% effective. For those great “historians”, please remember that these great discoveries, which will end the China Plague, all took place on my watch!
-Donald Trump

What an ignorant, deluded, narcissistic asshole.

Doesn't matter! in 2016 trump made it standard to take credit for everything that happened in the country as of election day. He still to this day takes credit for the stock market for the first 3 months he was not even in office.

So based on the standards set by trump, this is all Biden's credit.

Democrats need to pivot on this and learn a lesson in marketing.

Get out and call this the Biden Bump! Stock market records thanks to the country being super amped Biden was elected!

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He failed to mention that Moderna is based in MA which voted overwhelmingly against him. Pfizer in NY. The other vaccine candidate, Astra Zeneca in MA. The maker of Remdesivir, Gilead, is in CA. In fact Remdesivir is direct beneficiary of CA 2004 stem cell research general bond. So the drug creation in essence is funded by CA tax payers. Detached from reality is the understatement of the year.

damn coastal elites bailing out the country again....and again....and again.....

[YUPPIE]

I was listening to a podcast regarding Trump and reading an interesting article in the Guardian, and they raised some interesting points I think are worth considering. I know a great deal will flat out reject some of the assertions regarding Trump, but I am inclined to believe them. Namely that the true danger of Trump wasn't so much him, it is what he has potentially opened the door to. That he was never the Hitler that many made him out to be, nor could he ever be, that he was too narcissistic and incompetent to reach those levels, there was no grand plan for the country beyond his own enrichment and empowerment and in that regard the US got off lucky. Whilst he did do harm, helped divide the nation further as well as the global political implications, this was no reenactment of the third reich (again, this is not the same as me saying it was all sunshine and flowers with no harm done). The true danger being that he has shown that someone like him can reach those levels of power, and that a competent Trump, with a grand vision for the country beyond self interest, would be far more dangerous. He toppled norms in a way that no other president has and showed the levels that you can sink to in the office. We can only hope such a person doesn't rise.

Not necessarily a dictator, but I would like a decidedly fearsome (in personality) American president that doesn't take shit from any real villains or dictators out there. The kind of man that knows what he is doing, is responsible, and is very intimidating and drives fear into the hearts of evil people out there in all shades. Like if a dictator or terrorist makes negotiations, he'll tell that person to go to hell. The kind of man that ends injustice in his own nation through forcible action and heavily sanctions other countries for their crimes of genocide and slavery rather than turn a blind eye or chicken down.

Now that we are going forward with Joe Biden and Trump is history, I will state the reason I have my skepticism is he looks too soft. I don't desire a leader that will cow to the whims of Xi Jinping when he raises his eyebrow, I want someone that will get pissed off right back and call him out.

[Rasulis]

It's more visible, sure, but the whole Puget Sound area, including Snohomish and Pierce, voted blue. I drove to Leavenworth a few months ago, however, and it's much more blatant once you get out of the Sound counties. I haven't visited my relatives in Spokane in a while, and I'm honestly a bit scared to see what it's like over there these days.

My hydrogeologist accepted a department head position with the Washington State Department of Ecology. She lives outside Spokane. On one hand she enjoyed living next to the primeval redwood forests. On the other hand, she found the ubiquitous presence of local militia members openly carrying firearms in town to be unnerving. She said that they even openly carry firearms into public meetings.

[Machismo]

At least the Nazis are honest about wanting a violent authoritarian. They've starting to identify that they have a problem.

[kaelleria]

Not necessarily a dictator, but I would like a decidedly fearsome (in personality) American president that doesn't take shit from any real villains or dictators out there. The kind of man that knows what he is doing, is responsible, and is very intimidating and drives fear into the hearts of evil people out there in all shades. Like if a dictator or terrorist makes negotiations, he'll tell that person to go to hell. The kind of man that ends injustice in his own nation through forcible action and heavily sanctions other countries for their crimes of genocide and slavery rather than turn a blind eye.

Now that we are going forward with Joe Biden and Trump is history, I will state the reason I have my skepticism is he looks too soft. I don't desire a leader that will cow to the whims of Xi Jinping when he raises his eyebrow, I want someone that will get pissed off right back and call him out.

Except... he does take shit from dictators and strongmen... You just choose to ignore it.

[YUPPIE]

Except... he does take shit from dictators and strongmen... You just choose to ignore it.

not referring to Trump with that. I mean just for a future leader. But yeah, everything I described is probably what people WANTED out of Trump on electing him.

[SirBeef]

Hate crimes in the U.S. rose to the highest level in more than a decade as federal officials also recorded the highest number of hate-motivated killings since the FBI began collecting that data in the early 1990s, according to an FBI report released Monday.

So...is America "Great Again"? Is this "Mission Accomplished"?

Hang that banner.

[Noxx79]

not referring to Trump with that. I mean just for a future leader. But yeah, everything I described is probably what people WANTED out of Trump on electing him.

So you’ve proven that people like yourself who voted for trump are uneducated, easily conned marks.

Why do you believe what trump says?

[PhaelixWW]

Not necessarily a dictator, but I would like a decidedly fearsome (in personality) American president that doesn't take shit from any real villains or dictators out there. The kind of man that knows what he is doing, is responsible, and is very intimidating and drives fear into the hearts of evil people out there in all shades. Like if a dictator or terrorist makes negotiations, he'll tell that person to go to hell.

Trump ignored reports that Putin put bounties on the deaths of American soldiers.

Trump stroked Kim Jong Un's ego in order to get a photo op.

Trump invited the Taliban to a picnic.

Trump entered into and then lost a "trade war" with China.

Trump rolled over for Erdogan and abandoned long-standing Kurdish allies.

You need to rethink your position.

Now that we are going forward with Joe Biden and Trump is history, I will state the reason I have my skepticism is he looks too soft. I don't desire a leader that will cow to the whims of Xi Jinping when he raises his eyebrow, I want someone that will get pissed off right back and call him out.

Yes, you've stated outright that you want a war with China, but you're absolutely deluded in your view of Trump (as well as Biden).

[Breccia]

Trump officials preparing to move forward with major step to lower Medicare drug prices

Hmm. Interesting. Why didn't he do this four years ago? I read the article and don't see the word "law" or "bill" here, so this is...oh wait, it says here Trump mentioned this in September and then just...didn't do it. Huh.

Alos, it looks like Democrats have already proposed this so...yeah, this isn't news. This is Trump suddenly remembering his legacy is somewhere between "flaming bag of dogshit" and "Breyer's Carb Smart Chocolate" and trying to get one or two (troop levels) promises done after he's lost the election.

[cubby]

Trump officials preparing to move forward with major step to lower Medicare drug prices

Hmm. Interesting. Why didn't he do this four years ago? I read the article and don't see the word "law" or "bill" here, so this is...oh wait, it says here Trump mentioned this in September and then just...didn't do it. Huh.

Alos, it looks like Democrats have already proposed this so...yeah, this isn't news. This is Trump suddenly remembering his legacy is somewhere between "flaming bag of dogshit" and "Breyer's Carb Smart Chocolate" and trying to get one or two (troop levels) promises done after he's lost the election.

And this is going to be what Trump will be doing for the rest of his life. Lying and misleading his rapid and willfully ignorant followers while he bilks them for every dime he can get. And he'll have his own Television Network to do it from.