Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[solinari6]

^^ he's kind of sexy when he's angry

[cubby]

Post Residency for Trump at Mar-a-Fuck-O won't be pleasant.

• Town suing to evict him already.
• Planes will fly directly over his illegal home
• Relatively small living quarters - 3,000 sq ft compared to 3 full floors at Trump Tower
• Helipad to be removed.

These are all relatively small things, but YUGE ones for the Impeached ex-Resident, and will continually get on his nerves every day. And we haven't even gotten into the state and federal civil and criminal charges he will be facing on Jan 22.

I wonder if the international betting pool has a line on which country he will flee to first.

[Adam Jensen]

You people are literally incapable of discussing anything without it being pulled back to "Trump is bad". Yes, Trump is bad, he's exactly like the guy you replaced him with.

(Let me guess, more "Trump is bad" responses. Or "you are a Trump supporter" because I would like to see him and Biden in jail)

Oh piss off with this "both sides are bad" bullshit.

As much as I dislike Joe Biden (who I voted for), the two are so dissimilar it's not even close.

And what the fuck would we be imprisoning Biden for? The same imaginary crimes they wanted to lock Hillary up for?

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I wonder if the international betting pool has a line on which country he will flee to first.

Put my money, my left nutsack, and a jar of nutella on Russia.

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Speaking of pardons, here is a really, really, REALLY pissed off copyright attorney talking about how unamerican and completely dictatorial these pardons are:

I haven't watched it yet, but the pardons are fucking disgusting. The one about the war criminals in particular is heinous. This screams to our troops that they can commit whatever crimes and they won't be held accountable. It tells other nations that our country has abandoned humanitarian overlook entirely, and therefore can, and maybe should for their own protection, abuse any troops they capture. It puts our military in jeopardy, our reputation in jeopardy.

The nine year old kid who was shot in Iraq had done nothing. His father got to scoop up his sons brains from where they landed at his feet. His brother had exclaimed "where'd the top of Ali's head go?"

That is so fucked up and beyond imagining that it is sickening, disgusting, and downright evil that that piece of shit pardoned those men.

And then we have forum posters who claim Biden is the same as Trump? Piss off.

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How the fuck low can you get when you pardon violent thugs who blow off the top of a 9 year old's head?

[Breccia]

Wasn't bernie sanders going to fillibuster that?

The term I saw was "delay".

[Adam Jensen]

I agree with what you’re saying, but I thought these guards were private contractors (civilians), hired by the military—not actual soldiers. I believe two of them were prior service, though?

I don't think the distinction between contractors and military servicemen will really mean much in the eyes of the world as a response to this.

[Skulltaker]

Well, I mean, they’re not the same... they’re civilians and don’t follow, nor are they bound by UCMJ. I understand the anger and frustration over this, but I don’t agree that it’s sending a message that “our troops can commit whatever crimes they want”... cause, well, these men weren’t our troops. They were civilian contractors.

So, if your neighbor was friends and regularly invited a known child rapist to his home, and defends his actions, would you still consider being friends with this neighbor?

Adam is right. The world will not only judge 'you' (as in the US) by the way your enlisted servicemen and -women conduct, but also how those you contracted behave, and how you see fit to punish them (or not) if they break the law. Most people will neither know nor care about the distinction, just as most politicians, knowing that, will act accordingly. No-one will risk having his population tearing them a new one over defending a technicality when the US just pardoned a war criminal.

I know that is incredibly unfair towards your soldiers, who always get the short end.

[shimerra]

Well, I mean, they’re not the same... they’re civilians and don’t follow, nor are they bound by UCMJ. I understand the anger and frustration over this, but I don’t agree that it’s sending a message that “our troops can commit whatever crimes they want”... cause, well, these men weren’t our troops. They were civilian contractors.

That's a distinction with essentially no difference in this case. They're civilians working with/for the military in an armed conflict as armed personnel. There's less difference between the two at least as it applies to their case than there is distance between my butt cheeks.

And private military contractors are under the UCMJ and this has been the case since 2007. As far as I'm aware that hasn't changed.

Pardoning these guys absolutely 100% sends the message that our troops, in addition to other US personnel, aren't beholden to even our own laws let alone the laws of other countries and lives of their citizens.

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/f...y%20operations.

[Twdft]

Well, I mean, they’re not the same... they’re civilians and don’t follow, nor are they bound by UCMJ. I understand the anger and frustration over this, but I don’t agree that it’s sending a message that “our troops can commit whatever crimes they want”... cause, well, these men weren’t our troops. They were civilian contractors.

First of all, in my opinion it is fucked up in a very special sinister way that the United States use civilian troops in foreign countries to do military tasks allowing them to kill. Really, it's fucking fuckity fucked up this is happening under US military authorization. And it would be even more fucked up if they acted on their own, without being tasked by the US, killing people on missions by... whom exactly if not the US?

[Gorsameth]

Well, I mean, they’re not the same... they’re civilians and don’t follow, nor are they bound by UCMJ. I understand the anger and frustration over this, but I don’t agree that it’s sending a message that “our troops can commit whatever crimes they want”... cause, well, these men weren’t our troops. They were civilian contractors.

They are civilian contractors hired by the government so that its not official government men that get killed or commit warcrimes.
They entire reason of existing in so the US can point at them and say "not our fault lolz".

So sorry if no one takes the separation between the two entirely seriously.

As for the whole international image.
This will not help, surely. But the notion that the US tells the world to fuck off is a lot older. Remember the US does not recognise the International Court in Den Hage and during the Bush years the US actually passed a law that "allows" it to invade the Netherlands if any US soldiers would be tried in said court.

[D Luniz]

The cruelty is the fucking point

from Trump’s worst pardon is one you haven’t heard about

This was no accident or split-second mistake. It was a willful and deliberate act of police brutality. It was also not Mohr’s first — and there was a pattern to the violence. Evidence at trial showed that Mohr had previously released her dog on a Black teenager sleeping in a hammock in his own backyard. She had threatened the relatives of a fugitive that she would let her dog attack their “black ass” if they did not tell her where he was. There were other incidents that the jury did not even learn about, including one in which Mohr put her dog into a trash dumpster to attack a man who had fled from police.

murderous mercs
police with a history of serial brutally, THERE IS NO BOTTOM

[Fugus]

The Blackwater incident happened in 2007. That’s why I said they weren’t bound by UCMJ.

Part of this you miss, this is still the US Government letting those civilians off the hook, now combine this with the case where Trump intervened to protect a war criminal from even losing rank when the UCMJ was about to nail them.

Either way, as another said, this is distinction without difference when it is the government protecting war criminals.

[shimerra]

The Blackwater incident happened in 2007. That’s why I said they weren’t bound by UCMJ.

Ah my bad I thought it was after. Regardless the rest of what I said still stands.

Their conduct is entirely and 100% reflective of our troops as well as they are military contractors. Especially given the massive amount of them that are former military and they've been used to guard military outposts., train the Iraqi Army, and provide support to our military. Pretending there is any real practical difference that applies to this situation is pointless and disingenuous even if it may be technically correct.

[pathora44]

The Blackwater incident happened in 2007. That’s why I said they weren’t bound by UCMJ.

You are arguing semantics when like others have said there is essentially no difference especially to a layman. These war crime committing child murdering pieces of shit mercs were paid by the U.S. Government to protect U.S. assets and kill people. They are U.S. soldiers in all but name and by pardoning these murderers this administration has just place another blemish on America to the eyes of the world to the point it is now becoming incredibly hard to find a spot that isn't already blemished.

[Lynarii]

The Blackwater incident happened in 2007. That’s why I said they weren’t bound by UCMJ.

Here's the thing. You could draw a line between US Policy and the Blackwater personnel murdering people when the people responsible for it were being punished. That punishment is the proof to the world that the US doesn't agree with what happened that day. Pardoning them tells everyone that the US DOES sanction their activities. That murdering innocent Iraqi citizens, including children for goodness sakes, is an official US supported activity. Nobody is going to accept "We didn't kill your family, we hired other people to kill them on our behalf!" as exonerating.

[Breccia]

Only in Trump's America.

Feds probing if Nashville bomber believed in lizard people conspiracy

"Oh come on. You know full well Trump condemned the bombing."

Okay. Wanna link it?

"It's...uh...I can't seem to find it."

Perhaps he's busy. Has he condemned anything else?

"Looks like...Iran last week and the attack in Afghanistan yesterday."

So, he's not too busy. He just doesn't want to.

[Gorsameth]

As I've said, I completely agree with what's being said about them, but I don't really agree that majority of people will see this as troops getting away with any crime that they want, especially since the military themselves sided with the Iraqi government, in condemning the actions of Blackwater and faulting them (Blackwater) for what happened.

Yes, the military employed this private company, meaning the contractors were representing them, but I'm not going to compare these civilians as actual service members, cause they weren't. If anything, I put majority of the blame on the Erick Prince and whoever else owned the company, including those who were responsible for hiring the individuals that they contracted out to the military.

The military definitely doesn't have clean hands, don't get me wrong.

The people putting bomb vests don't care about the distinction. US people did the crime and the US government pardoned them.

[Fugus]

As I've said, I completely agree with what's being said about them, but I don't really agree that majority of people will see this as troops getting away with any crime that they want, especially since the military themselves sided with the Iraqi government, in condemning the actions of Blackwater and faulting them (Blackwater) for what happened.

Yes, the military employed this private company, meaning the contractors were representing them, but I'm not going to compare these civilians as actual service members, cause they weren't. If anything, I put majority of the blame on the Erick Prince and whoever else owned the company, including those who were responsible for hiring the individuals that they contracted out to the military.

The military definitely doesn't have clean hands, don't get me wrong.

But you also have Trump interfering with military War Criminals to protect them as well, directly. So even that extra degree of separation doesn't really exist. Remember the guy he blocked from losing rank or getting kicked out when his own people have testified to him shooting into crowds and they had evidence of him taking pictures with corpses.

[Rasulis]

The stars are not aligned for Trump.

Census Bureau to miss deadline, jeopardizing Trump plan

The Census Bureau plans to announce it will miss a year-end deadline for handing in numbers used for divvying up congressional seats, a census official said. That delay could undermine President Donald Trump’s efforts to exclude people in the country illegally from the count if the figures aren’t turned in before President-elect Joe Biden takes office.

Internal documents obtained earlier this month by a House committee show that Census Bureau officials don’t see the apportionment numbers being ready until days after Biden is inaugurated on Jan. 20.

Once in office, Biden could rescind Trump’s presidential memorandum directing the Census Bureau to exclude people in the country illegally from numbers used for divvying up congressional seats among the states. An influential GOP adviser had advocated excluding them from the apportionment process to advantage Republicans and non-Hispanic whites.

Deep State strikes back!

[cubby]

The stars are not aligned for Trump.

Census Bureau to miss deadline, jeopardizing Trump plan

The Census Bureau plans to announce it will miss a year-end deadline for handing in numbers used for divvying up congressional seats, a census official said. That delay could undermine President Donald Trump’s efforts to exclude people in the country illegally from the count if the figures aren’t turned in before President-elect Joe Biden takes office.

Internal documents obtained earlier this month by a House committee show that Census Bureau officials don’t see the apportionment numbers being ready until days after Biden is inaugurated on Jan. 20.

Once in office, Biden could rescind Trump’s presidential memorandum directing the Census Bureau to exclude people in the country illegally from numbers used for divvying up congressional seats among the states. An influential GOP adviser had advocated excluding them from the apportionment process to advantage Republicans and non-Hispanic whites.

Deep State strikes back!

Fan-fucking-tastic. This is a great sign of career professionals making sure the right thing gets done.

[beanman12345]

Fan-fucking-tastic. This is a great sign of career professionals making sure the right thing gets done.

Yup, let the memo's pile up, miss a few quota's, stall stall stall, and not have to deal with Trumps shit anymore.