Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Themius]

The thing with this is, that Trump is trying to change that as part of it. You look at his groups actions and how he supported them. Look at what he has allowed to happen to migrants who crossed our boarders while being detained and actually supports it. Look at what he has told the Trumps to do when he told them to shoot people and he would take care of it and so on.

The reason we can talk like this about Trump is because Trump and his enablers and supporters aren't in full control (Yet) and can't do anything about it.

Exfuckinactly.

It’s the night before the vote where nazis take control. We can’t sit around saying “oh they’re not there yet!” As if that’s an argument when that’s their goal! Is isis less isis now because they’ve lost their power?? No they’re still isis they’re still terrorists.

Is isis less isis when they killed two people secretly in a refugee camp? No! Why should American terrorists who try to do the same be given slack?

If they win and had full control I wouldn’t be surprised if I ended up rounded up and killed. Wont happen due to how many democrats there are... but if that right crazy side had complete control? I would fully expect full blown genocide, overtly.

As if the concentration camps and sterilisation were not enough of a precursor

Honestly a president who called himself a nationalist. Called on white known terror groups tied to MURDERS and attacks a governor WHO HAD A TERROR PLOT AGAINST HER.

The logical outcome of those people in full control is Germany all over.

Or actually... Jim Crow but 1920s Jim Crow! So lynching and murder and some slavery.

[Spaceboytg]

Exfuckinactly.

It’s the night before the vote where nazis take control. We can’t sit around saying “oh they’re not there yet!” As if that’s an argument when that’s their goal! Is isis less isis now because they’ve lost their power?? No they’re still isis they’re still terrorists.

Is isis less isis when they killed two people secretly in a refugee camp? No! Why should American terrorists who try to do the same be given slack?

If they win and had full control I wouldn’t be surprised if I ended up rounded up and killed. Wont happen due to how many democrats there are... but if that right crazy side had complete control? I would fully expect full blown genocide, overtly.

As if the concentration camps and sterilisation were enough of a precursor

The replies to your position remind me so strongly of Richard Dawkins' "Dear Muslima" letter. "They ain't killed you yet!" when clearly that's their end goal, Kyle Rittenhouse is proof of that. Many of them fantasize about killing black people, gay people, liberals, Muslims and whatever else they've decided is the source of all their problems.

[Corvus]

88,905 new cases; a little under 19k more than last Monday. That's a pretty hefty jump for a low-report day and has me really fucking worried for the week ahead.

Not just the week ahead - I'm dreading to see what happens from in person voting and just how much of a spike that causes. We all know that the repub voters aren't going to properly mask and socially distance after all.

[beanman12345]

Exfuckinactly.

It’s the night before the vote where nazis take control. We can’t sit around saying “oh they’re not there yet!” As if that’s an argument when that’s their goal! Is isis less isis now because they’ve lost their power?? No they’re still isis they’re still terrorists.

Is isis less isis when they killed two people secretly in a refugee camp? No! Why should American terrorists who try to do the same be given slack?

If they win and had full control I wouldn’t be surprised if I ended up rounded up and killed. Wont happen due to how many democrats there are... but if that right crazy side had complete control? I would fully expect full blown genocide, overtly.

As if the concentration camps and sterilisation were not enough of a precursor

Honestly a president who called himself a nationalist. Called on white known terror groups tied to MURDERS and attacks a governor WHO HAD A TERROR PLOT AGAINST HER.

The logical outcome of those people in full control is Germany all over.

Or actually... Jim Crow but 1920s Jim Crow! So lynching and murder and some slavery.

idk

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1540626.html

These people are going to go after the dem leaders first, Whitmer, Northam, Wolf, Biden/Harris Bus. There are a lot of dems, but it's the people who do nothing and let it happen, that's the threat. And they are the bigger part of the population.

[Paranoid Android]

.@FLOTUS Melania Trump: "Our children are watching and learning about politics in our country. They deserve a better display of responsibility and respect." https://t.co/93lPt2JlD3

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1...761017347?s=19

I think Melania's speech writer is part of the deep state (snark). The self awareness here is amazing.

As with the person who picks Trump's campaign music I believe they are the only ones in on the joke inside Trumpland.

[postman1782]

Oof. Trump is calling his microphone a “piece of garbage” after 20 mins of issues and has now said repeatedly the audio production team in Kenosha shouldn’t be paid.


Trump being Trump. Always trying to stiff people.

He can't pay what he doesn't have.

[Breccia]

So obviously we've all seen Doctor Fauci disagree with Trump by saying things like "no, the outbreak is still lethal" "you still have to be careful" "things are not bigly".

Fortunately for Trump, everyone else in his gr--

Birx contradicts Trump in election eve memo urging coronavirus action

Oh, right. They're also doctors.

White House coronavirus task force coordinator Deborah Birx said in a memo Monday first obtained by the Washington Post that the U.S. is "entering the most concerning and most deadly phase of this pandemic."

In the memo on the eve of the election, Birx contradicts President Trump's repeated claims that the U.S. is "rounding the corner" in the virus fight, as she calls for "much more aggressive action" on the COVID-19 response.

Her comments come after NIAID director Anthony Fauci told the Washington Post in an interview Friday that the U.S. was "in for a whole lot of hurt" going into the fall and winter, prompting Trump to suggest he may seek to fire the career civil servant.

"This is not about lockdowns — It hasn’t been about lockdowns since March or April," Birx said in the memo, per WashPost and the New York Times.

"It's about an aggressive balanced approach that is not being implemented."

Another report dated Oct. 17, when Trump held rallies in Michigan and Wisconsin, notes that an increase in hospitalizations and deaths from COVID-19 is "not due to increased testing but broad and ever increasing community spread."

"There is an absolute necessity of the Administration to use this moment to ask the American people to wear masks, physical distance and avoid gatherings in both public and private spaces."

And Trump/Pence's task force haven't met with either for a month. Why have a task force on the lethal outbreak, if you're not going to meet with them, do the opposite of everything they say, and also threaten to fire them for disagreeing?

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Trump baselessly claims Supreme Court's ruling on Pennsylvania mail ballots will 'induce violence'

The Supreme Court decision on voting in Pennsylvania is a VERY dangerous one. It will allow rampant and unchecked cheating and will undermine our entire systems of laws. It will also induce violence in the streets. Something must be done!

(several seconds later)

Twitter, Facebook flag Trump post questioning Supreme Court voting decision

Twitter added a disclaimer to Trump’s tweet, saying that its content was “disputed” and “might be misleading.”

The action was in line with Twitter’s “civic integrity policy,” a Twitter spokesman told Reuters, saying that the social media the platform will “significantly restrict engagements” on the tweet.

Twitter’s disclaimer included a link to information on how voting by mail is “legal and safe.”

Facebook posted a disclaimer saying that voting by mail and voting in person have a “history of trustworthiness” in the U.S., with voter fraud being extremely rare.

I bet they're just waiting for the go-ahead to cut Trump off forever. He's done little on their platforms but lie and incite violence.

[s_bushido]

I bet they're just waiting for the go-ahead to cut Trump off forever. He's done little on their platforms but lie and incite violence.

I imagine it's going to be extremely cathartic for whichever Twitter employee finally gets to push the button to ban that jackass.

Although they really should archive his feed instead of purging it, so that we can never forget just how low we were willing to go.

[Breccia]

I can't believe the road that's been traveled, and the allies and friends I've made all the way. If Trump loses tomorrow, the job will shift to punishing the guilty and restoring what he broke. He Trump wins tomorrow, the job will shift to trying to arrest this country's slide into permanent autocracy. It is the end of one thing and start of something else.

Win or lose, Biden was the perfect candidate for this election and he and his team ran it nearly perfectly. No one could have done better. The post mortem, either which way, is going to be filled with very clever people who KNEW ALL ALONG​ something. Ignore them. It's nonsense. No other candidate Democrats had could have build a coalition as big as the one that is turning out. He got the enthusiasm - record number of voters. He got the money. He honed the tactics. He visited everywhere he needed to when he needed to. He said two stupid things all campaign. He realized the power of negative partisanship far earlier than progressives who wanted a systemic transformation and liberals still infatuated with an Obama inspirational figure. He realized the way to beat Trump was to make it a referendum about Trump, act as the candidate of decency, and get out of Trump's way as he acted as his worst self.

If Biden wins tomorrow, it'll be because it was enough. If Biden loses tomorrow, it won't be that the strategy is wrong. it'll be because of the electoral college and a few thousand sick fucks living in one or two states. Hillary lost the election with 3 million more voters. Biden could lose with 7-13 million more votes in theory. It comes down to Pennsylvania. But a loss will not be an indictment of anything other than how we somehow still elect Presidents. Progressives were great parners this time. Bernie was fantastic. The moderate outreach was on point. Nothing else could have been done.

I hope people also realize how well the last 4 years have been played. Trump, fortunately, didn't discover his power until March 2019. He went from January 2016 until then constrained by investigations, upheaval, infighting and most of all, the Mueller Report. With Barr basically shut down Mueller, Trump had a couple months of freedom, before Impeachment (and the road to it) locked down Trump for nearly 6 months. He escaped that until February 2020 when Covid hit. He's discovered AND used his power then, really in just this year, despite Coronavirus. In that, we are fortunate. Destructive as he has been, he has been handcuffed for most of his tenure from being worse. A second Trump term would be Trump unbound.

Folks need to realize how important those delaying actions were to get to this point in the shape we are. Trump was never going to be removed by the Senate. We all knew that. But it would (and did) consume his entire agenda for over 6 months. Mueller went nowhere and everyone got off for the most part, but it kept Trump, still uncertain in his power at that point, constrained from further misbehavior of that type. It was not an accident his Ukraine intrigue start right after Meuller was finished. It is exactly what I described - Trump was off probation in a sense, and he reverted to type.

Everything was necessary, everything was needed.

Biden is in some ways, strangely fortunate. Covid, although Biden would be loathe to call it lucky, crystalized Trump's failure as a leader and became the biggest political issue. It was the vehicle for Biden's message. Trump's impulses on downplaying it, being a show man, being against science and experts and always wanting to be the guy who can fix it, despite being a disaster for the country, helped make Biden's case (though this is kind of a backwards way of looking at it). Biden also has strong Democratic candidates for the Senate in Arizona, Michigan, North Carolina, Minnesota and Georgia this year, that should act as vehicles to winning, with split-ticket voting seeming unlikely in this polarized environment. Biden got lucky Trump got Covid, that Trump was his worst self at the first debate just before he got Covid, and that Democrats broke for Biden very early.

In short, if there was something else we, him or anyone could have done to maximize our success tomorrow I can't think of it. There is no repeat of "Hillary didn't go Wisconsin enough". Biden's been to Pennsylvania nearly 20 times in the past 6 weeks. It'll be "it just wasn't enough because this country is fucked".

But I happen to think it will be enough.

I've had my American flag in a dresser since 2016. Trump made me ashamed of being an American. He made that flag mean something dark and alien. Something evil. America isn't perfect by any stretch and many abuses have been committed under that flag, but the American flag is the flag that crushed fascism and communism and defended the most progressive for human rights, healthiest, richest and free century in human history. On the balance, the American flag is the symbol of liberty, justice and progress for all. Maybe not always in practice, but always in principle.

Trump's cult have done us a favor the last year adopting the fascistic Blue Lives Matter flag. Another Black and White flag. So surprising. Some have noted how it's come to replace the American flag at Trump rallies. Not an accident. The fascists are removing their disguise.

So I'm getting that flag out, for the first time in 4 years, and I'm hanging it outside my door with my Biden-Harris sign. Because if we are to reclaim America, we must reclaim its symbols, and that flag is among its most important. We must define our adversary as the un-American, and that flag, which stands for things contrary to what they believe, is the vehicle to do that. It belongs to people who believe in liberty, not people who believe that our country should lock kids in cages and ignore science.

I'm not a religious person, but in times of great travails, I do ask for my deceased loved ones to watch over for me and for help. I don't know why. It's irrational. There is no scientific basis for it. There is no afterlife. But maybe it's an act of hope of providence and the arc of history bending towards justice. Maybe it's hoping that against all science, the universe does have a plan.

So say a prayer for our country tomorrow.
Say a prayer that America can somehow heal its wounds.
Say a prayer for all the people the Trump administration has hurt, from illegal immigrants, to LGBT, to women to minorities to the poor.
Say a prayer for our foreign allies, whose faith we have betrayed to our great shame and that one day they may forgive us.
Say a prayer for our anti-Trump friends who have opposed Trump, and be thankful that history has again produced such people and called them when it was needed.
Say a prayer for the founders, whose creation their successors have so badly abused and we must prove ourselves worthy again.
Say a prayer for the millions of African Americans subjected to state violence, in its many forms.
Say a prayer for the tens of millions of Americans who have lost a job or known previously unknown insecurity.
Say a prayer 235,000 Americans who needlessly died in this avoidable contagion, and the millions of friends and families that will have an empty seat by the dinner table this Thanksgiving, for something Trump called a hoax.
But most of all, say a prayer that the majority of voting Americans - yes even those who voted for Trump at one time - will have the wisdom to say enough​, and take their place in history for it.

Be safe out there,

[eschatological]

Is this what the Trump Shitshow thread evolves into? Teary ramblings about saving democracy?

It's gonna be a long day.

I don't think I'm gonna sleep for awhile.

[Breccia]

Tired of Trump, Deutsche Bank wants out but sees no good options

Deutsche Bank AG is looking for ways to end its relationship with President Donald Trump after the U.S. elections, as it tires of the negative publicity stemming from the ties, according to three senior bank officials with direct knowledge of the matter.

Deutsche Bank has about $340 million in loans outstanding to the Trump Organization, the president’s umbrella group that is currently overseen by his two sons, according to filings made by Trump to the U.S. Office of Government Ethics in July and a senior source within the bank. The three loans, which are against Trump properties and start coming due in two years, are current on payments and personally guaranteed by the president, according to two bank officials.

In meetings in recent months, a Deutsche Bank management committee that oversees reputational and other risks for the lender in the Americas region has discussed ways in which it could rid the bank of these last vestiges of the relationship, two of the three bank officials said. The bank has over the years lent Trump more than $2 billion, one of the officials said.

One idea that has come up in the meetings: sell the loans in the secondary market, two of the bank officials said. But one of the officials said that idea has not gained traction, in part because it is not clear who would want to buy the loans and the attendant problems that come with it.

The Deutsche Bank executives are not unduly concerned about Trump’s ability to repay the loans, given the president’s personal guarantees and the time left before they come due, the three bank officials said.

If Trump is not in office, Deutsche Bank executives feel that it would be easier for them to demand repayment, foreclose if he is not able to pay it off or refinance, or try to sell the loans, according to two of the three bank officials.

Since Trump has personally guaranteed all the loans, Deutsche Bank could also seize the president’s assets if he is unable to repay, two of the three bank officials said.

If Trump wins a second term, Deutsche Bank executives feel their options would be fewer, the three bank officials said. The bank wouldn’t want the negative publicity inherent with seizing assets from a sitting president and would likely extend the loans until he is out of office, two of the bank officials said.

The bottom line, the three bank officials said, is that the matter won’t be resolved until well after the election.

I find it hard to feel sad for these guys. They knew what they were getting into.

[NoiseTank13]

Tired of Trump, Deutsche Bank wants out but sees no good options



I find it hard to feel sad for these guys. They knew what they were getting into.

When money sticks it's dick in your mouth don't be bitchy about the STD's that crop up around your lips.

[Dontrike]

Tired of Trump, Deutsche Bank wants out but sees no good options



I find it hard to feel sad for these guys. They knew what they were getting into.

I'll buy the loans for $2.

[Valkyrst]

I'll buy the loans for $2.

We made a tremendous deal, a deal like no other you've seen, probably the greatest deal ever made. $2 for something that's worth -$1bn.

[Mekh]

My friends, be safe!

I've got a hundred dollar premium vodka waiting. I'll need it either way.

[Dontrike]

Voted, there was some slight errors with mine at the start, but got it in.

We made a tremendous deal, a deal like no other you've seen, probably the greatest deal ever made. $2 for something that's worth -$1bn.

If it meant calling Trump up every other day and telling him to pay me my money I'd be all for it.

[Breccia]

When money sticks it's dick in your mouth don't be bitchy about the STD's that crop up around your lips.

What money? Trump is a bad risk, and he was at the time. Deustche Bank was the only one left who'd loan him anything. They've already given up on large chunks of it. Plus as you saw, if Trump wins, they'll be afraid to collect on the rest. Also, he's broke.

[Paranoid Android]

What money? Trump is a bad risk, and he was at the time. Deustche Bank was the only one left who'd loan him anything. They've already given up on large chunks of it. Plus as you saw, if Trump wins, they'll be afraid to collect on the rest. Also, he's broke.

Oh yeah. Was this story covered in MMO? Basically Deutsche Bank let Trump default on a HUGE debt. The story says they forgave up to $287 million in debt. Holy Crap! Basically Trump threatened litigation (his M.O. of suing) and the banks said "screw it". This is amazing in itself when you banks just don't want to pursue tens or hundreds of millions of dollars.

[Breccia]

Oh yeah. Was this story covered in MMO?

Indeed it was.

Yes, that same bank has already taken a big hit, and expects to take more. And it's their fault -- they knew the risks. Think of it as accepting $130,000 for fucking a serial adulterer.

[kaelleria]

Don't fuck it up America!