Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[gondrin]

I hope they sue the the shit out of every person and "news" outlet they can.

I'm hoping they win the ones against Newsmax, OANN and Fox. Fox would be able to survive it but both Newsmax and OANN wouldn't be able to. It would be like when Hulk Hogan sued Hawker Media and won.

[Dontrike]

Well, to be fair to Mitt, he was the only Republican Senator that did vote to impeach him and actually called him out on various things. Here is an article showing that Mitt has historically not liked Trump and spoke out against him. The rest though should be unseated, expelled and never be allowed to hold another office again. Cruz, Gohmert and that crowd should be removed and arrested for sedition.

https://people.com/politics/donald-t...eachment-vote/

The problem with Mitt is that one moment he is actually having some morals, but the next he's perfectly fine with what Trump does. He flip-flopped for four years and while he helped he was definitely part of the issue. Not as bad as the other zealots, but he definitely sat on the fence just in case certain things went one way or another.

[some guy]

I'm hoping they win the ones against Newsmax, OANN and Fox. Fox would be able to survive it but both Newsmax and OANN wouldn't be able to. It would be like when Hulk Hogan sued Hawker Media and won.

I agree. I wonder though if Fox lost such a case, if it would even change how they do business.

[gondrin]

I agree. I wonder though if Fox lost such a case, if it would even change how they do business.

Well, with even the threat of a lawsuit, Fox required hosts that stated those things like Lou Dobbs to state that they weren't true(in a sense). I know they didn't believe it but even the threat of a lawsuit made them flinch.

[solinari6]

If the article is correct, democrats can get *one* bill passed by simple majority. The rest republicans can filibuster and require 60 votes.

Didnt they say they were going to get rid of the filibuster?

[Poopymonster]

I agree. I wonder though if Fox lost such a case, if it would even change how they do business.

Probably not. Unless they get hit by costly lawsuits repeatedly over a short period of time.

One time loss? That's a rounding error on to their accountants.
A dozen over a few years?
Won't you think of the sToNkS?

[Breccia]

In the final full monthly report of Trump's direct leadership of the economy, the US lost 140,000 jobs.

Unemployment is at 6.7 percent.

Trump supporters will probably try to play the hypothetical game "oh, it would have been worse if Clinton..." but they will never have evidence.

"But COVID! Nobody could have prepared for this!"

*ahem*

It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.

Do not confuse "did not" with "could not".

Trump leaves the WH with fewer jobs than he started. About 4.8 million of them.

US GDP expected to contract by 3.6% in 2020, meaning the only time Trump's GDP passed three percent -- a lower benchmark than he promised, a benchmark he said Obama never broke, "worst President ever" etc -- was negatively.

The trade war went nowhere. We don't have a new better deal, and China did not buy what they promised.

And even if we ignore 2020 entirely (God, I wish) Trump still failed on his economic promises. We were not on pace to hit any of the above, either.

Trump either failed, or lied. There is no third choice (well "both" I guess).

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Dominion Voting Systems is suing pro-Trump lawyer Sidney Powell, asking for $1.3 billion in damages

I'm sure her legal team will back...oh. Right.

[Omega10]

Didnt they say they were going to get rid of the filibuster?

There has been some talk of that. At this point, I am not going to assume that this will happen. And having this as a possibility could very well be used as a pretty big unspoken threat to use against McConnell.

However, if republicans go full out obstructionist, I would expect democrats to go down this route.

Schumer and McConnell have some tough negotiations ahead of them. I hope that Schumer is up to the task.

[szechuan]

Twitter needs to ban him.

Starts an insurrection and immediately calls them yet again Patriots after he makes a fake Apology.

[Belize]

Twitter needs to ban him immediately.

Starts an insurrection and immediately calls them yet again Patriots after he makes a fake Apology.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/85rke7s.jpg[/]

Wow.

Less than 24 hours.

[Breccia]

This article is titled Republican senators now regret not doing more to contain Trump

Now, most of the article is stuff we already discussed. And the article's main source is a GOP Senator who asked his name withheld. Which is the same level of protection I get here, allowing me to be a completely vindicitive asshole. Which I freely admit. But yeah, they're still scared of Trump.

However.

There’s more concern about the long-term damage to the party than losing two Senate seats in Georgia

-- the source

That's still a self-damning admission, anonymity or not. Whether they say it in their inside or outside voices, the GOP now knows how badly they fucked up in allowing, or becoming, the Party of Trump.

Too litle, too late. I hope the thought of personally taking a role that directly attacked democracy keeps them warm at night.

Meanwhile I'm convinced the rabid fanbase is still in the "Trump did nothing wrong" category. Nothing left there to salvage. Burn it down. Salt the earth.

[Machismo]

This article is titled Republican senators now regret not doing more to contain Trump

Now, most of the article is stuff we already discussed. And the article's main source is a GOP Senator who asked his name withheld. Which is the same level of protection I get here, allowing me to be a completely vindicitive asshole. Which I freely admit. But yeah, they're still scared of Trump.

However.


-- the source

That's still a self-damning admission, anonymity or not. Whether they say it in their inside or outside voices, the GOP now knows how badly they fucked up in allowing, or becoming, the Party of Trump.

Too litle, too late. I hope the thought of personally taking a role that directly attacked democracy keeps them warm at night.

Meanwhile I'm convinced the rabid fanbase is still in the "Trump did nothing wrong" category. Nothing left there to salvage. Burn it down. Salt the earth.

They don't get to express regret, fuck every single one of them.

they are doing what all of us said they'd do... try and retcon the last four years, as soon as Trump was no longer beneficial to them. They wanted to trade their principles and orals for SCOTUS justices, well they got them. Now, they get to pay for the rest of their lives. I will never vote for anyone who supported Trump. I will never think of any Trump-supporting politician as anything other that a fucking Nazi. They chose their lot in life, and I plan on holding them responsible.

[Timester]

Twitter needs to ban him.

Starts an insurrection and immediately calls them yet again Patriots after he makes a fake Apology.

Can this be used as evidence of sedition?

[Machismo]

Can this be used as evidence of sedition?

This is nothing more than Trump doing what got him elected... telling racist asshats that they are actually the victims.

[Breccia]

They don't get to express regret

Oh, than can express it all they want. Makes it more fun to mock them.

But I agree with the spirit of your post. Until they say "we were wrong, and we're going to make it better" what they have isn't an apology, it's just consequences.

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Twitter needs to ban him.

Nothing about this twit breaks the rules, though. He even went from "75,000,000 people voted for me therefore I won" to "75,000,000 people voted for me and that's important".

Sadly, it's also correct.

[gondrin]

Oh, than can express it all they want. Makes it more fun to mock them.

But I agree with the spirit of your post. Until they say "we were wrong, and we're going to make it better" what they have isn't an apology, it's just consequences.

Nah, I would say they have to actually make it better and follow completely through, not just say.

[Breccia]

Nah, I would say they have to actually make it better and follow completely through, not just say.

Yeah, that's valid. But mostly that post was an elaboration on one of my posts yesterday. Forgiveness is given, redemption is earned. A Republican Senator can say, on or off the record, that things went badly. We already knew that. They can feel badly about how things went. We already knew that, too. But, like you said, until they

1) Flat-out admit, in public ideally, that what they did was wrong, and
2) At least begin a path that would address the situation, ideally preventing it from happening again (looking at you 2024)

then they should be continuously mocked and scorned. Honestly, resigning in protest to make a statement isn't a bad start from my perspective. It's not like they'll be trusted by a non-Trumper. Well okay, Chao probably.

[Odinfrost]

Twitter needs to ban him.

Starts an insurrection and immediately calls them yet again Patriots after he makes a fake Apology.

What I love the most with Trump and talking about the election, is that he seemingly forgets that people could also vote for his opponent.

[Machismo]

Oh, than can express it all they want. Makes it more fun to mock them.

But I agree with the spirit of your post. Until they say "we were wrong, and we're going to make it better" what they have isn't an apology, it's just consequences.

I don't expect a whole lot of GOP politicians and Trumpsters to admit they were wrong, and the Democrats and media were right all along. I definitely don't expect them to seek to actually improve their behavior.

I dare them to prove me wrong.

This is honestly one time where I actually wish I was wrong, because the GOP is in a sorry state. When I left the GOP in 2003, it was because I realized they were not a party that favored limited government, and had no real desire to support liberty. I worked on Bush's campaign in 2000, and Dole's in 1996, and I was saddened to leave the party behind. I watched the GOP turn into a shit show in 2008, with the push of Sarah Palin, and then the tenure of Reince Fucking Priebus. I watched as they tore down decent people like Michael Steele, because they didn't fit the "Hannity image." All of that was terrible, but nothing compared to watching the 2016 campaign season, as the ignorant masses jumped on board the Trump Train. There were people who tried to stop it, although very few in the GOP. They were quickly steamrolled, and either joined the cause, or watched their careers torn asunder.

If I were head of the GOP, I'd go the route of the Domino's Pizza CEO, and make a public effort to admit that the GOP has been putting out a terrible product, and vow to fix it. The GOP as a brand is garbage, and they have earned every single negative review.

[Breccia]

I don't expect a whole lot of GOP politicians and Trumpsters to admit they were wrong, and the Democrats and media were right all along.

Well, let's not go overboard. They don't need to say "Democrats were right" in general. But yeah, all the times anyone else said "Trump is incompetent on purpose and possibly insane" and Republicans say "oh he'll grow into the role, he'll MAGA, just you wait!" that time of waiting has expired. That mandates not just a "we were wrong" but also "and I'm sorry I helped".