Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Benggaul]

McConnell circulates procedures for second Senate impeachment trial of Trump

Headline says it all.

“It would require the consent of all 100 senators to conduct any business of any kind during the scheduled pro forma sessions prior to January 19, and therefore the consent of all 100 senators to begin acting on any articles of impeachment during those sessions,"

In other words, Trump will not be removed before inauguration day.

[thilicen]

Basically the earliest they would be able to do the Senate trial would be the day before Biden took office anyways. So whatever the House does is only for show. Still important, but he won't be removed next week or early the week after. The earliest he could be removed would be 1/19, and that's only if the Senate started the trial early in the day and finished it up before they left for the day.

But if he was impeached he wouln't be able to run in 2024, is that right? If so it would certainly still hold value.

[PhaelixWW]

But if he was impeached he wouln't be able to run in 2024, is that right? If so it would certainly still hold value.

If he's impeached and removed. Impeachment by itself does very little, as we've already seen.

[Thepersona]

It's certainly isn't helping the mutated version is causing even more false negatives. Expect it to eclipse 5k in february before it starts coming down.

I think the darkest days will be the next 30. Before you have around 50MM vaccinated (and we have around 5MM vaccinated)

[beanman12345]

In other words, Trump will not be removed before inauguration day.

Yeah i was reading about this this morning. Without unanimous consent it wouldn't do anything, and there is a major theoretical pitfall, because in theory they'd be forced to take this up in the Biden administration, which could dampen plans to get actual relief and aid out to stop this pandemic. but it's theoretical, and likely won't happen but it was a concern of Adam Schiff. They'll just dismiss it in the first few hours my guess.

[Captain N]

But if he was impeached he wouln't be able to run in 2024, is that right? If so it would certainly still hold value.

Allegedly he also would not be entitled to the benefits he would receive as a former President if he is impeached and then found guilty by the Senate. @Breccia and @cubby might know more about that though.

[Benggaul]

But if he was impeached he wouln't be able to run in 2024, is that right? If so it would certainly still hold value.

If he's impeached AND removed, then he loses the 200k a year salary, SS detail and cannot run in 2024. So yes, it's still worth it to pursue. It's just still very unlikely that anything will come of it.

I'm not particularly worried that he'll be able to run in 2024 anyway. Something tells me he'll have his tiny hands full.

[DingDongKing]

If he's impeached and removed. Impeachment by itself does very little, as we've already seen.

It’s worth looking into what happens if he’s impeached and there’s then 51+ votes to find him guilty. He’s obviously already out office, but if he’s found guilty, what does that do?

[DarkTZeratul]

If he's impeached and removed. Impeachment by itself does very little, as we've already seen.

And then only if the Senate decides to prevent him from running again; it's not automatic.

It's been pointed out, though, that sanctioning him under Article 3 of the 14th Amendment would accomplish the same goal with less fuss. The goal of removing him from office early would be to A) prevent him from doing any more damage and B) set a precedent.

It’s worth looking into what happens if he’s impeached and there’s then 51+ votes to find him guilty. He’s obviously already out office, but if he’s found guilty, what does that do?

Not much; it'd mostly be symbolic at that point. Per the Constitution, conviction removes him from office and the only other penalty they are allowed to levy is preventing him from holding office again in the future

[Benggaul]

It’s worth looking into what happens if he’s impeached and there’s then 51+ votes to find him guilty. He’s obviously already out office, but if he’s found guilty, what does that do?

Strips him of benefits that all ex-Presidents receive and ensures he can't run again.

[Omega10]

It’s worth looking into what happens if he’s impeached and there’s then 51+ votes to find him guilty. He’s obviously already out office, but if he’s found guilty, what does that do?

66 or 67+, not sure which - House impeachment just requires a majority, Senate finding him guilty requires 2/3s ... so I guess that would be 67 (though I remember discussion of who are the *16* republicans that might get him removed).

[PACOX]

NO. No they didn't. Come on, man.

Twitter banned an official government channel from using non-governmental use. Non-government use, I might add, directly attacking the service it was on.

Twitter did not ban government tweets. Trump wasn't making those. I'm going to assume that you're celebrating on a Friday night to explain this lapse.

Sounds even more badass when worded like that.

Also more breaking news - I have just been informed that DJT has also been banned from my neighborhoods grouptext. One anonymous user replied, "...so anyways". More details as the story unfolds.

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It’s worth looking into what happens if he’s impeached and there’s then 51+ votes to find him guilty. He’s obviously already out office, but if he’s found guilty, what does that do?

He doesn't get to live off our tax money for the rest of his life.

[Ihavewaffles]

Don't worry mr.president, the boss has a new job for you.

[DingDongKing]

As far as I recall it’s a super majority to remove him from office. I’m unsure if a simple majority does anything at all apart from like you guys said, being symbolic.

[Logwyn]

If he's impeached AND removed, then he loses the 200k a year salary, SS detail and cannot run in 2024. So yes, it's still worth it to pursue. It's just still very unlikely that anything will come of it.

I'm not particularly worried that he'll be able to run in 2024 anyway. Something tells me he'll have his tiny hands full.

He can't run again if the Senate imposes that penalty. I'm not sure why they wouldn't but it's not automatic. There is a federal judge that was impeached and removed but he is not serving in congress as a rep.

[beanman12345]

not clicking stupid RT but that thumbnail is really cringe if they want to call it deepfake. The Southpark guys do the deepfake more convicingly.

[Kaleredar]

As far as I recall it’s a super majority to remove him from office. I’m unsure if a simple majority does anything at all apart from like you guys said, being symbolic.

Another symbolic condemnation on the way out is fine by me. And if it comes to a vote in the senate, we can get on record which senators are still saying "nah I think this Trump guy is alright."

[Ihavewaffles]

not clicking stupid RT but that thumbnail is really cringe if they want to call it deepfake. The Southpark guys do the deepfake more convicingly.

so judge a video you didn't even watch, lol>?

[Shadowferal]

He can't lose the secret service protection since he's supposed to know stuff.

[DingDongKing]

Another symbolic condemnation on the way out is fine by me. And if it comes to a vote in the senate, we can get on record which senators are still saying "nah I think this Trump guy is alright."

Will be the usual suspects of Hawley, Cruz and co. The scum of the earth, basically.

Hawley looks like a Ken doll gone far right.

You know it’s bad when Tom Cotton is like...shit, I’m gonna swerve that dude.