1. #63941
    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    Been hearing that for over a decade. Trumpkins went from 63 million to 71 million in 4 years. Where's the shrinking? Oh, relative to population you say? Well, we can hope, but I guess we can check that too -> US population in 2016: 323M. US population in 2020: 331M. Now, unless my math is off, it's an increase of roughly 2.5% in 4 years. Now, shall we compare the increase of Trumpkins in 4 years? 63M to 71M is....12.7% Or 5 times the increase compared to population in other words.
    I really wouldn't look to much into the increase in votes Trump had because at the same time Biden got 10M more votes then Clinton/Obama and 5M votes more then 2008 Obama.

    What you saw this election is a historic turnout and honestly it's to both sides credit. It's hard right now without having the polster look into this more on why they where off but I can imagine that allot of Trump voters showed up after all those news reports that showed historic early voting numbers, people that really wouldn't have shown up. Just look at Texas that had 2.6M more people voting this time.

    To me it looks like we just saw the total number of Republican voters, the bottom of the barrel if you will. People that would probably never voted this time voted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by passingthrew View Post
    The only thing Clinton got wrong was deplorable was not a strong enough word. The rest of the US should not have to cater to Trump supporters who live in a different reality.
    Clinton got more things wrong.
    I mean her VP who even remembers him?

    Both Biden and Warren should have ran in 2016 instead both got intimidated by H. Clinton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Haha, comedy gold.

    Keep up the good fight then! I'll just stock on popcorn as usual.
    They claimed she was eating babies... what the fuck? She called the deplorable... that’s the least she can call them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by passingthrew View Post
    The only thing Clinton got wrong was deplorable was not a strong enough word. The rest of the US should not have to cater to Trump supporters who live in a different reality.
    She said half... that was the mistake...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Sorry, were you talking about "deplorables" or "LOCK HER UP!" Because I think you were talking about "LOCK HER UP!" which pre-dates the "deplorables" comment, and therefore, neuters your entire argument.
    The lock her up chants were in part because they thought she ate babies... that’s not normal...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    The lock her up chants were in part because they thought she ate babies... that’s not normal...
    On #MAGA it is.
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    I really wouldn't look to much into the increase in votes Trump had because at the same time Biden got 10M more votes then Clinton/Obama and 5M votes more then 2008 Obama.

    What you saw this election is a historic turnout and honestly it's to both sides credit. It's hard right now without having the polster look into this more on why they where off but I can imagine that allot of Trump voters showed up after all those news reports that showed historic early voting numbers, people that really wouldn't have shown up. Just look at Texas that had 2.6M more people voting this time.

    To me it looks like we just saw the total number of Republican voters, the bottom of the barrel if you will. People that would probably never voted this time voted.
    And what will you say in 2024 if god forbid, cultist votes are 70-75million, while the non cultist votes drop down to Hillary Clintons voting level? "woops, well shit"? The cult has been whipped to a frenzy the past 4 years. What guarantees do you have that they intend on giving up now, rather than keep on self radicalizing, much like they did during Obamas tenure?

    Short point is: democrats are far less reliable voters than cultists are. It might cost the very next election already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    The lock her up chants were in part because they thought she ate babies... that’s not normal...
    Extremely ironic that it was Trump who was being injected and treated with "murdered babies". Just one more thing that's complete projection on their part. Also, it's the death of any pro-lifer excuses for being in it for the babies, rather than against womens rights. It's the most definitive nail on that coffin. Not a single "pro-lifer" could support Trump after, if they weren't lying about their agenda.
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    And what will you say in 2024 if god forbid, cultist votes are 70-75million, while the non cultist votes drop down to Hillary Clintons voting level? "woops, well shit"? The cult has been whipped to a frenzy the past 4 years. What guarantees do you have that they intend on giving up now, rather than keep on self radicalizing, much like they did during Obamas tenure?

    Short point is: democrats are far less reliable voters than cultists are. It might cost the very next election already.
    Time will have to tell; sometimes after a demagogue/populist losses an election, it can burst and lead to mass apathy amongst people.

    But it is likely it could be the same as under Obama, if Biden is lazy and doesn't actually do any improvement (which is a whole other discussion), that they'll then seek out yet another one that promises everything, and to make America great again, again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howel View Post
    Time will have to tell; sometimes after a demagogue/populist losses an election, it can burst and lead to mass apathy amongst people.

    But it is likely it could be the same as under Obama, if Biden is lazy and doesn't actually do any improvement (which is a whole other discussion), that they'll then seek out yet another one that promises everything, and to make America great again, again.
    Actually there's a greater problem. The US have three things that will potentially cause a recession: Trump Tax Cuts, Trump Trade Wars and Covid19. All three of those problems will come to a head within the next couple years. Biden, being a Democrat, will fix those problems but even if he does a good job there's a pretty good chance that he'll be blamed for them anyways. This could potentially cause a problem in 2022 where he could lose the House and not make any Senate gains. The GOP doesn't need a demagogue to get elected, they just need a toaster (ex Romney2012) that can point the finger at Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Actually there's a greater problem. The US have three things that will potentially cause a recession: Trump Tax Cuts, Trump Trade Wars and Covid19. All three of those problems will come to a head within the next couple years. Biden, being a Democrat, will fix those problems but even if he does a good job there's a pretty good chance that he'll be blamed for them anyways. This could potentially cause a problem in 2022 where he could lose the House and not make any Senate gains. The GOP doesn't need a demagogue to get elected, they just need a toaster (ex Romney2012) that can point the finger at Biden.
    my memory might be bad... didn't trump actually say something along the lines of him not having to deal with those problems because he wouldn't be in office by then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I mean, you say that after this whole Clinton's "deplorables" catch-phrase thing? That's rich.

    The blue side hardly has the moral superiority there. I think you guys and gals need to do a bit of soul searching there and figure out just where it really went wrong and how to fix this, instead of having this silly wheel of gloating going rotating every 4 years.
    so when she said

    You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.
    which group are you saying arent deplorable?
    The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic?
    Which one should we not call a spade cause it hurts their feelings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resurgo View Post
    my memory might be bad... didn't trump actually say something along the lines of him not having to deal with those problems because he wouldn't be in office by then?
    I think I remember him saying that about the budget issues he was causing

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    found it, he said that about the deficit explosion he and his GOP backers were causing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resurgo View Post
    my memory might be bad... didn't trump actually say something along the lines of him not having to deal with those problems because he wouldn't be in office by then?
    GOP economic policies usually take some time for their problems to surface. Even if it happens when they’re in office, they’ll still blame the subsequent Dem administration for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    The lock her up chants were in part because they thought she ate babies.
    And pizzagate and Benghazi and had a stroke and got a rapist off and laughed in joy bla bla bla.

    Clinton was right to call Trump's supporters "deplorable". Anyone who says Clinton was in the wrong for name-calling, when Trump is on the menu, is not a genuine poster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    ...
    I think I remember him saying that about the budget issues he was causing

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    found it, he said that about the deficit explosion he and his GOP backers were causing
    Ahh, thanks... definitely need to keep that one in the memory banks, because we all know what's going to come

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    Trump administration plans "flood" of sanctions on Iran by Jan. 20

    The Trump administration’s envoy for Iran Elliott Abrams arrived in Israel on Sunday and met Prime Minister Netanyahu and National Security adviser Meir Ben-Shabbat to discuss the sanctions plan.

    Abrams will meet on Monday with Minister of Defense Benny Gantz and Foreign Minister Gabi Ashkenazi to brief them on the plan.

    Abrams didn’t respond to a request for comment.

    The Trump administration believes such a “flood” of sanctions will increase pressure on the Iranians and make it harder for the Biden administration to revive the 2015 nuclear deal, the Israeli sources told me.

    Behind the scenes: In the last several weeks, the Trump administration — with the encouragement and assistance of part of the Israeli diplomatic and security establishment — has prepared a “target bank” of Iranian entities that will be sanctioned.

    Abrams said in a closed briefing several days ago that the Trump administration wants to announce a new set of sanctions on Iran every week until Jan. 20, a source who was privy to the briefing told me.

    The Israeli sources told me the planned sanctions are not connected to the Iranian nuclear program — such sanctions are more likely to be canceled by a Biden administration and open the door to reviving the 2015 nuclear deal.

    Instead, the goal is to impose sanctions on Iran that are connected to its ballistic missile program, Iranian assistance to terror organizations and Iranian human rights violations.
    Well, he's not bombing them. Iran can just wait it out while Trump flips the table.

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    Wouldn’t be surprised if trump decides to declare war on Iran by nuking them in an attempt to stay in power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rustedsaint View Post
    Wouldn’t be surprised if trump decides to declare war on Iran by nuking them in an attempt to stay in power.
    That wouldn't keep him in power. It would just be creating more shit for the Biden administration to clean up--so I wouldn't put it past him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rustedsaint View Post
    Wouldn’t be surprised if trump decides to declare war on Iran by nuking them in an attempt to stay in power.
    I'd said that, over and over, in the context of a few months ago.

    But I think, at this point, if he ordered such a strike, it's possible people would just, you know, not do it.

    "But the military follows orders or --"

    The military is fully aware what's going on. If a "nuke Iran" order comes out of nowhere, in these circumstances, they're not robots.

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    As President Trump is poised to return to life as a private citizen, an ailing family business in the midst of intense legal scrutiny — and a potential influx of television opportunities — await him. https://t.co/zYjKUiB6QQ
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1...633587719?s=19

    Admit I did not read the article. Does seem to me that Trump accomplished what he set out to do. He should be able to setup some type of media and profit off it.

    Would Trump ever vanquish Fox News. Likely not. Fox is basically an institution now and Trump crazier from right. I guess it's Trump and he could destroy it.

    Now people will talk about his crippling debts and legal matters. As a pessimist I can see this pretty much nothing but an inconvenience. As far as debts, if he can establish his media, the banks might settle for cents on the dollar. Him again being President might keep most of the legal problems away. No confidence from Biden pressing actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1...633587719?s=19

    Admit I did not read the article. Does seem to me that Trump accomplished what he set out to do. He should be able to setup some type of media and profit off it.

    Would Trump ever vanquish Fox News. Likely not. Fox is basically an institution now and Trump crazier from right. I guess it's Trump and he could destroy it.

    Now people will talk about his crippling debts and legal matters. As a pessimist I can see this pretty much nothing but an inconvenience. As far as debts, if he can establish his media, the banks might settle for cents on the dollar. Him again being President might keep most of the legal problems away. No confidence from Biden pressing actions.
    Biden doesn’t have to pursue any sort of action; the DOJ can act without him, as can the various states waiting to nail trump on all kinds of financial charges.
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    Right now I feel like Trump's last two months are going to play out one of two ways. He either does some really stupid, violent shit or becomes extra lazy and does one last smash-n-grab.

    I'm leaning towards the second. He's gonna play a lot of golf. Leech whatever money he still can by going to his own properties. Sell some pardons. And who knows what else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Admit I did not read the article
    This is what you pay me for.

    Trump’s tax records show signs of financial distress, he claims to have lost out on billions of dollars in income while in office and his eldest sons say the family business has forfeited dozens of potential deals across the globe.

    Now, denied a second term by voters, Mr. Trump may seek to return to a once-lucrative career in television, this time with a decidedly political bent. His family business will also be free to make up for lost time by once again looking overseas, where hotels and golf clubs helped drive its growth before his election in 2016.

    Eric Trump and a spokeswoman for the Trump Organization did not respond on Saturday to requests for comment on the business’s post-White-House plans. The president put out a statement disputing the outcome of the election, indicating that he did not believe he had lost.

    After winning the presidency four years ago, Mr. Trump declined to sell off his stake in the Trump Organization, and instead adopted a plan that he said would eliminate conflicts of interest. Among other things, the Trump Organization pledged to forgo new deals outside the United States and hired an ethics adviser to screen certain domestic ventures.

    Democrats and others argued that the restrictions were half-measures at best, and indeed the approach did little to prevent the president from turning his resorts and hotels into a hub of favor seeking for lobbyists, donors and corporate chiefs, as The New York Times reported in October.

    Still, the presidency took a toll on the privately owned family business, which has not closed a new hotel deal since Mr. Trump entered the White House. The company shelved a proposed chain of budget-friendly hotels last year, and Mr. Trump’s financial disclosure statements showed that his top cash-generating properties had largely gone sideways. Without offering evidence, Mr. Trump claimed last year that being president was “probably costing me from $3 to $5 billion.”

    The ban on new foreign deals probably dealt the biggest blow. Before the presidency, the company was eyeing a major expansion in China; it would even maintain a Chinese bank account and keep an inactive office in Shanghai during the presidency. It had also done exploratory work on new business partnerships in Colombia, Brazil and Turkey.

    No longer constrained by its self-imposed ethics plan, the Trump Organization is now expected to seek hotel deals and other business, according to several people close to the company. Even so, there will be numerous obstacles to a rebound, including the coronavirus pandemic, law enforcement investigations into the company and a deeply divided view of Mr. Trump among the American public. Additionally, if Mr. Trump made another run for the White House in 2024, he might need to avoid new foreign entanglements that could provide ammunition for political rivals.

    As Mr. Trump is poised to once again become a private citizen, here is the landscape for his family business.

    Mr. Trump may begin selling his name again.
    The fastest way for the Trump Organization to raise money is to flip the switch on its international deal machine, licensing the Trump name to real estate projects like hotels and residential towers.

    When Mr. Trump entered the White House in 2017, Trump Organization executives said the company had left behind more than two dozen such branding deals, including in China, Israel and across South America. As Mr. Trump leaves office, he is popular in some countries, and his brand is widely recognized.

    The branding deals are largely risk-free for the company because they do not require capital investments and generally make between $500,000 and $1 million a year, at least initially. The payments often decline after units in residential buildings are sold, unless the Trump Organization makes parallel agreements to manage the properties.

    His company, however, still faces legal scrutiny.
    While Congress may no longer be as focused on Mr. Trump’s business activities, prosecutors in New York will continue their investigations.

    The Manhattan district attorney’s office is investigating Mr. Trump and his company for an array of potential financial crimes and is seeking his tax returns. The New York State attorney general’s office is conducting a separate civil inquiry into suspicions that the company misstated its assets, possibly to reduce taxes or obtain loans.

    The company has denied any wrongdoing, but it may be reluctant to provide the investigators with additional deals to scrutinize. Eric Trump, who runs the company with his brother Donald Jr., last year cited scrutiny from Democrats and the media as a major reason for suspending plans to open a new line of hotels.

    The investigations could also lead to negative publicity as the company is looking to expand.


    A new stream of business partners may emerge with Mr. Trump out of the spotlight.
    Over the past four years, Bobby R. Burchfield, a Washington lawyer, served as the Trump Organization’s ethics adviser, scrutinizing potential deals and business partners. The examinations made it difficult for some to pass muster, while others were scared off by the public attention.

    That scrutiny will now fall away, opening a pipeline of new partners.

    And with more than $300 million in debt coming due that the president has personally guaranteed, there may be some urgency for the Trump Organization to line up new deals. In addition, an adverse ruling in an audit battle with the Internal Revenue Service could cost him more than $100 million, The Times reported in September.

    A polarized country and the pandemic could hamper a rebound.
    Some of Mr. Trump’s most lucrative properties are in Democratic strongholds, like New York and Chicago, where he remains deeply unpopular. And his biggest revenue-generator, his Doral golf resort in Florida, has suffered from a drop-off in conference revenue as some big companies and organizations stayed away because of his divisiveness.

    As president, Mr. Trump has tried to fill the gap, at least in part, through events booked at his properties by groups connected to him and Republican politics. The Trump International Hotel near the White House was often brimming with partisan allies.

    It is unclear if that patronage will continue, or if Mr. Trump’s detractors will return to his properties once he leaves office. Additionally, it has been a tough year for the hospitality industry because of the pandemic, and the headwinds have hit commercial real estate, too. Both are central to Mr. Trump’s business portfolio.

    There may be another presidential act for Mr. Trump or his children.
    Mr. Trump, as of late, has privately raised the idea of running again in 2024. And the possibility of another Trump presidential run could have a chilling effect on his business in the intervening years, at least in countries like China, where a thicket of ethical and legal conflicts could arise.

    The president also may not be the last Trump to run for elected office.

    Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump may hold future political aspirations, and that could curb some plans for growth. The risks are greatest on the international front, where potential for conflicts of interest abound.

    Finally, there is Mr. Trump’s love for television.
    During his time in the White House, Mr. Trump put his eldest sons in charge of his company along with a team of other executives. But even before that, he had receded somewhat from scouting deals, letting his children take the lead.

    Where and how Mr. Trump will reassert himself in the family business will be one of the intriguing questions surrounding his return to private life. A onetime reality TV star, he may instead return to television as a political pundit or in another role, those around him say.

    There have been preliminary discussions about acquiring or starting a Trump-branded network, for example. His work on “The Apprentice,” tax records show, brought him new sources of cash and furthered a myth that would help propel him to the White House, The Times reported in September. Paid speeches and a book deal could also await him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    This is what you pay me for.
    Thanks. This is from my phone so can't break each point down.

    Again shows how stupid they are if they try to stay in the hotel business. He is debt, every bank should be scared now and don't want the scrutiny.

    Selling his name is what he basically did anyways. For me his name is not bleep. But hey alot Trumpkins are sucker enough. Again in my first post he could make a good living off this, minus his financial and legal problems.

    Oh him trying the hotels would/should be a failure.

    TV seems almost easy if he get financial backers. New TV is not easy to and I say Fox News is strong.

    Trump is a fuck-up. So in something where odds should be in his favor, he could set anything easy on fire.
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