Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[alexw]

saying he's the worst president ever, a failed leader, Hitler wannabe and all his followers to be Nazis and enemies of the state complete with drawing parallels is pretty brutal.

Since talking down on Trump is the new trend since 06, I've never seen anyone come down on him as hard as Arnold, a Republician.

Those statements are pretty much all factually true, though I would disagree that all his followers are Nazi's. Some of them are, most of the rest are just approving of Nazi's as long as they share the same goals. i.e. the goal of installing Trump as a dictator. There's a minority who are neither and they are the Republicans who are dumping Trump right now which is causing him to crash in the polls.

[dextersmith]

Also, using a polearm, when you do not have polearm skill

He had a damn spear and his lawyer still said he was unarmed. lol

[Machismo]

For all the bad Trump did, he's going to be arrested or fucked like that in a few days so a lot of it is whatever now.

My MAIN concern is the fact Biden is scrambling to mend relationships with Xi Jinping and Iran. That's all. He's working to literally do a reset button on Trump but what people don't seem to understand is that's not a 100% good thing.

Your main concern is that nobody is buying your lies.

You have chosen to defend a racist, fascist piece of shit who likes to sexually assault women.

[Breccia]

Did you see Trump’s mission accomplished about the wall? He is claiming he built it and is a promise kept... lol

Funny story: Trump actually used "Mission Accomplished" before, about military action in the Middle East, and then defended it in a subesequent tweet.

But let's talk about the Wall, since it's clearly as complete as Trump will ever get at this point.

Trump's own CBP reports that, of the 452 miles built, 80 are where there was no Wall before.

Eighty miles. Total. Over four years and one Trump Shutdown.

This is only "promise kept!" if you grade on a Trumpian curve, i.e. it's kept because he says so.

And just so we're all clear:
1) it was built far slower than he said
2) it was far more expensive than he promised
3) Biden could just order it all demolished if he felt like that was a good use of taxpayer money, and
4) Mexico never paid a single peso.

There is no reasonable metric by which this is a promise kept. Anyone claiming that it is, is lying. Or, insane.

[Dontrike]

(serious) a bit late, but why did a hardcore republican like Arnold Schwarzenegger publicly denounce and dehumanize Trump a week ago?

Because Arnold is an actual person.

[solinari6]

The QAnon Shaman will be held without bail.

"The charges he faces are serious," prosecutors claimed in court. "Two counts of interfering with law enforcement, aka 'attacking the police', one count of threatening to assassinate a federal elected official, and one count of wearing leather as a mail class."

I LOL'd .. thanks for that!

[Attackrabbit]

A day ago he fulfilled an execution warrant for someone who was pure evil by description and people got enraged over that

Not claiming to know the ins and outs of the case but didn't the guy who actually pulled the trigger get life without parole? Why was this other guy executed and not the actual murderer?

[Orange Joe]

(serious) a bit late, but why did a hardcore republican like Arnold Schwarzenegger publicly denounce and dehumanize Trump a week ago?

(serious) Why wouldn't he?

[Hollycakes]

For all the bad Trump did, he's going to be arrested or fucked like that in a few days so a lot of it is whatever now.

After all the things you've posted all this time, it's just whatever now? lol did I really just read Yuppie say this. I can't make this stuff up.

Goalpost moved.
Check.

Inc. 4 years of China conspiracies from the gullible yups.

The fact the you are just now coming to the realization that people's "brutal" views of him are true(only after hearing it from the terminator of all people lol) is part and parcel of your posting history I suppose. Ignorance is bliss they say.

Playground Politics 101.

"Donnys not a stooge for Putin! Nu uhhh!.... Joeys a stooge for China!"

It's sad what politics really is.
And what it does to people.

P.S. Someone remind them of Ivankas fun times with China.

[Thekri]

Because Arnold is an actual person.

Arnold is kind of like Bush. Don't necessarily care for either his politics or his administration, but as a person he is pretty decent. Both of them also love America genuinely, and do have at least some concept that a politician should serve their country.

Arnold also makes some pretty good videos and lectures on how politics works, since leaving office he has focused on educating young people on how government works, which is a pretty admirable goal. His video on Gerrymandering for instance is excellent.

[Fugus]

Tried to get caught up but was actually pretty easy since the majority of it was people feeding disingenuous posters so virtually nothing of merit or content posted to even bother with.

[YUPPIE]

(serious) Why wouldn't he?

he's a republician. a lot of republicians stood up for Trump. Now those that are left (considering most abandoned ship) are considered terrorists.

That's pretty much what it's come to. Trump is seen as a terrorist.

[Machismo]

he's a republician. a lot of republicians stood up for Trump. Now those that are left (considering most abandoned ship) are considered terrorists.

That's pretty much what it's come to. Trump is seen as a terrorist.

Well, when you support fascists...

[Breccia]

Tried to get caught up but was actually pretty easy since the majority of it was people feeding disingenuous posters so virtually nothing of merit or content posted to even bother with.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious, and even I get caught up in the feeding frenzy sometimes.

But when the mayor of DC says she's concerned that members of the rabid fanbase, aka "terrorists", will attack residential neighborhoods -- because they're (a) not protected by the literal 25,000 standing army of federal troops and (b) black -- it's hard not to look at someone posting "why are people saying Trump is a terrorist?" and not provide facts and evidence to prove their point.

Simply put, it's a beatdown at this point. Rational-thinking Americans have four years of overwhelming evidence in the form of Trump's words and actions, and Trump supporters like @YUPPIE are left posting memes or flapping their flippers together.

[gondrin]

(serious) a bit late, but why did a hardcore republican like Arnold Schwarzenegger publicly denounce and dehumanize Trump a week ago?

He wanted to show off the Conan sword. Also, he wanted to also tell the story of his father who was part of Nazi Germany and the horrors he seen and how it affected him and the parallels of the start of Nazi Germany to the events today.

Here is the video for those of you who wants to see it.

[Shadowferal]

Trump drowning in debt

Trump is on the hook for hundreds of millions of dollars of debt, most of it due within the next four years, and the legacy of his presidency may leave him with few options to pay it off. In the wake of the Capitol riots, the New York City government and the PGA of America backed away from business arrangements with the Trump Organization, sapping future income from the debt-laden president. Three banks have announced they're cutting ties with him - including Deutsche Bank, his biggest creditor - limiting his ability to refinance debt.

Trump owes creditors at least $315 million, mainly through mortgages for Trump Organization hotels, resorts and golf courses, according to his 2020 financial disclosure. A Forbes analysis of Trump's finances, however, found that Trump likely owes at least $1 billion to creditors, some of which he has personally guaranteed.

New York state prosecutors are ramping up their investigation into Trump's business dealings, which could lead to criminal charges. The attorney general of Washington, D.C. has sued the Trump Organization over the use of funds from the president's 2016 inaugural committee, and legal experts say Trump could face charges related to the Capitol riots.

Verret said that, along with steep legal fees, a criminal indictment could prompt Trump's creditors to speed up the collection of his personally guaranteed debt under certain debt covenants.

"As this pressure grows, the pressure on the lenders to accelerate payments grows, which limits his ability to get loans from anyone else," Verret said.

[gondrin]

Trump drowning in debt

Trump is on the hook for hundreds of millions of dollars of debt, most of it due within the next four years, and the legacy of his presidency may leave him with few options to pay it off. In the wake of the Capitol riots, the New York City government and the PGA of America backed away from business arrangements with the Trump Organization, sapping future income from the debt-laden president. Three banks have announced they're cutting ties with him - including Deutsche Bank, his biggest creditor - limiting his ability to refinance debt.

Trump owes creditors at least $315 million, mainly through mortgages for Trump Organization hotels, resorts and golf courses, according to his 2020 financial disclosure. A Forbes analysis of Trump's finances, however, found that Trump likely owes at least $1 billion to creditors, some of which he has personally guaranteed.

New York state prosecutors are ramping up their investigation into Trump's business dealings, which could lead to criminal charges. The attorney general of Washington, D.C. has sued the Trump Organization over the use of funds from the president's 2016 inaugural committee, and legal experts say Trump could face charges related to the Capitol riots.

Verret said that, along with steep legal fees, a criminal indictment could prompt Trump's creditors to speed up the collection of his personally guaranteed debt under certain debt covenants.

"As this pressure grows, the pressure on the lenders to accelerate payments grows, which limits his ability to get loans from anyone else," Verret said.

Well, as the saying goes, "If you are rich, you can screw over as many poor people you want and it is fine. However, if you screw over one of your own, hell hath no fury then a rich person and their lawyer trying to get revenge."

Just ask Bernie Madoff.

[Breccia]

Trump drowning in debt

I would say "that's old new"...and it is. But it has a new twist.

Trump just incited a murderous insurrection. Most banks don't want that on their public record. As such, Trump might not be able to take new loans to pay off the old ones. And as such, those "personal guarantees" may become "Trump loses Trump Tower".

[YUPPIE]

You made the last one up. He said the people who stormed on the Capitol were like the Nazis who helped Hitler rise to power. The rest was just a recitation of facts. Care to dispute any of the points?

Not really because Trump is soon to be over. On the heels of that though, Xi Jinping today gravely threatened Joe Biden to stay out of their affairs. I haven’t seen Biden respond but I promise I will warm up to this man as a leader if he turns out to be the nationalist warhawk Trump didn’t completely manage to be.

My faith in my American president hinges on how badass he is with evil bastards. No negotiations or bargains, but action. I thought this is why Taiwan seemed to like Trump; the fact he took action compared to his predecessors and pacifism.

Fortunately, I'm glad to hear not everything will be undone
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...iffs-to-remain

[Poopymonster]

Not really because Trump is soon to be over. On the heels of that though, Xi Jinping today gravely threatened Joe Biden to stay out of their affairs. I haven’t seen Biden respond but I promise I will warm up to this man as a leader if he turns out to be the nationalist warhawk Trump didn’t completely manage to be.

My faith in my American president hinges on how badass he is with evil bastards. No negotiations or bargains, but action. I thought this is why Taiwan seemed to like Trump; the fact he took action compared to his predecessors and pacifism.

Fortunately, I'm glad to hear not everything will be undone
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...iffs-to-remain

Your faith is built on testosterone and machismo? Not the poster.
...that's just...pitiful. Really, all joking aside, I feel sorry for you.