1. #64921
    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    Trump's actions are proof that we need to get rid of the lame duck session.

    Move the certification and inauguration to within a week of the counting being completed. Don't give the lame duck session time to do these things.
    No thanks. A set date for transition of power makes those transitions of power more likely. Imagine all you had to do to stay in power was keep finding votes or sequentially asking for recounts from every state. It'd be years before the next guy gets in.
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    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

  2. #64922
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    No thanks. A set date for transition of power makes those transitions of power more likely. Imagine all you had to do to stay in power was keep finding votes or sequentially asking for recounts from every state. It'd be years before the next guy gets in.
    Adam wasn't asking to remove a set date, just move it closer to the election.

  3. #64923
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Adam wasn't asking to remove a set date, just move it closer to the election.
    "Within a week of the counting being completed" means it's a floating date. The counting may never be completed. This isn't the only reason not to change to vague language like that or move the transition up, but it's a definitive one.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rudol Von Stroheim View Post
    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

  4. #64924
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    "Within a week of the counting being completed" means it's a floating date. The counting may never be completed. This isn't the only reason not to change to vague language like that or move the transition up, but it's a definitive one.
    Yeah I think you’re missing the point of his post. He’s lamenting about the long period after the vote to the inauguration.

  5. #64925
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Yeah I think you’re missing the point of his post. He’s lamenting about the long period after the vote to the inauguration.
    I'm not. I'm saying that his way of solving the problem, a nebulous date of transition, is worse.
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    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

  6. #64926
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    I'm not. I'm saying that his way of solving the problem, a nebulous date of transition, is worse.
    You're interpreting he meant a nebulous transition date and you're doing it at the cost of his actual point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    I'm not. I'm saying that his way of solving the problem, a nebulous date of transition, is worse.
    How about this:

    Move the EC certification date to Dec 1st, and the transition date from Jan 20th to Dec. 8th.

    Boom, enough time to count all the votes and you shorten the lame duck session significantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    rump Sought Options for Attacking Iran to Stop Its Growing Nuclear Program
    UPDATE: Iran heard about it and they are not happy.

    Any action against the Iranian nation would certainly face a crushing response

  9. #64929
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    So start a war for no reason, then claim that you have to stay president because of said war. Is that the “strategy” now? I wonder if the military would actually follow orders like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelannerai View Post
    So start a war for no reason, then claim that you have to stay president because of said war. Is that the “strategy” now?
    I've suggested for years it would be his strategy...but that he'd have had to start in the summer at the latest.

    The US holds elections during wars. It will not keep Trump in power, if Trump starts a war after losing.

    That's probably why Trump was talking about "strikes" and not "invasion". he wants to flip the table, but not pick up the game pieces afterwards.

  11. #64931
    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    How about this:

    Move the EC certification date to Dec 1st, and the transition date from Jan 20th to Dec. 8th.

    Boom, enough time to count all the votes and you shorten the lame duck session significantly.
    That's a better solution. Mind you, that's still 3/4 of a month away. It wouldn't solve the actual problem, just shorten the duration. The situation could be likened to shutting the barn door after the horses are out. The problem isn't really a lame duck session. It's lunatics in office.

    It'd also require an amendment to the constitution. Too, if that were to happen, we'd need every potential candidate getting briefings/meetings like the ones biden is supposed to be getting now before they're actually elected.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rudol Von Stroheim View Post
    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

  12. #64932
    Biden doesn’t want his presidency to be all about Trump, w investigations. He “just wants to move on,” per an aide. Another notes “strong school of thought that believes the law's the law.” All say Biden won’t tell DoJ what to do. w @kwelkernbc @mikememoli https://t.co/d0hCwOjviy
    https://twitter.com/carolelee/status...257468933?s=19

    I believe most of us see this coming.

    First Biden saying he is leaving up to his AG, but he picks his AG. No way this is not discussed and I guess the AG can go rogue.

    So here we go knowing the Democrats are spineless. So we have investigations for 4 years and Trump and right wing media feast.

    Yes if Clinton was elected we would have been on our millionth Benghazi, etc. Projection? Yes we had 4 years of 'Lock him/her up'. Trump like no other acted as an authoritarian with wanting everyone in prison.

    If people want to bring up NY state crimes, I can agree. Problem is we are talking about possible Federal crimes that should be prosecuted so this doesn't happen in the future.

    With the crying from the right and Dems having no fight we won't get anything.
    “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States…. [It is] nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’”

    -Isaac Asimov

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    "All say Biden won’t tell DoJ what to do"
    Does he need to? If, as many of us suspect, there is a laundry list of serious breaches of laws and executive branch Constitutional rules, the DoJ certainly knows this already. If it's all basically minor shit like "So-and-so used federal funds to have someone pick up his laundry" Biden shouldn't waste his time on that anyhow.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Analysis by the Wall Street Journal and copied in this TheHill article tell us what we would have guessed: a lot of businesses that received PPP funds still went bankrupt and won't be paying the loans back.

    And a fair number of small businesses just closed, instead of going bankrupt, as well.

    I guess if we didn't have PPP funds, they would have gone bankrupt much sooner.

    Republicans claim they are in favor of businesses. But they are the ones who specifically and directly blocked a second COVID relief bill. This is on them.

  14. #64934
    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    https://twitter.com/carolelee/status...257468933?s=19

    I believe most of us see this coming.

    First Biden saying he is leaving up to his AG, but he picks his AG. No way this is not discussed and I guess the AG can go rogue.

    So here we go knowing the Democrats are spineless.
    Christ, aren't there enough people on these forums bitching pointlessly about this shit? And the two statements here are contradictory.

    The AG is completely capable of handling raking Trump over the coals if there's evidence to support it without Biden riding his ass about it. Presidents aren't usually the ones telling AGs which crimes specifically to go after--they're expected to pursue shit on their own. You're normalizing Trump's shitty behavior.

    I'd MUCH rather Biden focus on getting a COVID-19 response underway, reversing all of the shitty EOs/pseudo-policies Trump pushed through and set about repairing--if possible--America's relationships with the rest of the world. There are dozens of things Biden should be focusing his attention on. Telling the AG how to do their job isn't one of them.

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    Trump doesn't have the balls to strike Iran. He's just mad that he lost. Hes like those kids that get mad so he picks up his ball and goes home. Leaving everyone else wishing they just brought their own fucking ball.

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    Biden still isn't getting security briefings from the Trump administration.

    So he's just going to hold his own with a team of experts.

    "But he won't have classified intel that way!"

    Wel, that's Trump's fault, isn't it? At least Biden is trying. Trump spent the weekend golfing.

  17. #64937
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Biden still isn't getting security briefings from the Trump administration.

    So he's just going to hold his own with a team of experts.

    "But he won't have classified intel that way!"

    Wel, that's Trump's fault, isn't it? At least Biden is trying. Trump spent the weekend golfing.
    Trump is the worst president in the history of USA.

    The damage he has done to the country is large.

    What’s worse is his policys or lack of them and the culture damage he caused will last for decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    No thanks. A set date for transition of power makes those transitions of power more likely. Imagine all you had to do to stay in power was keep finding votes or sequentially asking for recounts from every state. It'd be years before the next guy gets in.
    I wasn't saying there shouldn't be a set date.

    Just that it should be sooner than January. Like maybe vote in November, inauguration by Thanksgiving-ish.

    I don't like giving hard dates in hypotheticals, but there should be a hard date.

  19. #64939
    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    https://twitter.com/carolelee/status...257468933?s=19

    I believe most of us see this coming.

    First Biden saying he is leaving up to his AG, but he picks his AG. No way this is not discussed and I guess the AG can go rogue.

    So here we go knowing the Democrats are spineless. So we have investigations for 4 years and Trump and right wing media feast.

    Yes if Clinton was elected we would have been on our millionth Benghazi, etc. Projection? Yes we had 4 years of 'Lock him/her up'. Trump like no other acted as an authoritarian with wanting everyone in prison.

    If people want to bring up NY state crimes, I can agree. Problem is we are talking about possible Federal crimes that should be prosecuted so this doesn't happen in the future.

    With the crying from the right and Dems having no fight we won't get anything.
    It's not about Democrats vs Republicans here, it's Trump vs the Law. Biden doesn't have to do anything, and frankly, has better things to do like, RUN AN ENTIRE COUNTRY, than keep tabs on Trump and make sure he gets brought to justice when there are already PLENTY of people who will do that anyway.

  20. #64940
    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    Trump's actions are proof that we need to get rid of the lame duck session.

    Move the certification and inauguration to within a week of the counting being completed. Don't give the lame duck session time to do these things.
    Nah, just have it setup where any changes passed during the lame duck session is required to be revoted on by all parties within 90 days of taking office or it expires. Have the lame duck literally be lame in that respect.
    Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
    "mmo-champion.com##li.postbitignored"
    to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.

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