1. #65601
    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    The irony is that this would basically force Twitter to be even more aggressive in controlling the vitriol and conspiracy theories that he and his supporters post.
    Say goodbye to the precious snowflake world known as Parler too.

  2. #65602
    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    The irony is that this would basically force Twitter to be even more aggressive in controlling the vitriol and conspiracy theories that he and his supporters post.
    Indeed. He’s basically demanding to be banned from social media. Weird move considering how much he loves it.

  3. #65603
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    dont you have to be prosecuted for something to be pardoned?

    i assume giving out get out of jail free cards isnt a thing.
    It's also even more complicated because it only applies to past crimes, the major crimes I believe that trump family is facing is tax evasion and fraud.

    There is the collusion with Russia stuff, the emoluments clause stuff, but I'm not entirely sold on the idea the DoJ is even gonna go after trump for basically anything, because with the SCOTUS as it is, they'd need a smoking gun, which I don't think they'll have. They may investigate but ultimately wont press charges without that smoking gun.

    But the IRS certainly will go after him for the above, new sec of treasury will make sure of that. Even if they don't face criminal charges on a federal level, that doesn't clear them of all that they may potentially owe, they may not go to federal prison but the piper needs to be paid, which just adds more devastation to their current financial woes.

    While at the same time, if I'm wrong and the DoJ does go after Trump and decide to test the idea of a self pardon, and the self pardon doesn't work, it could actually have the opposite effect and work against him, as there is a background principle that you can't be the judge of your own crime, and a self pardon is at odds with that principle.

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    since you people think Trump doesn't have a lot of goodwill, how will he win in 2024? He's already looking towards the future.

  5. #65605
    I know this really isn't a Trump post but they are all Trump supporters trying to make themselves look more credible, but all they did was expose that Tucker Carlson is a racist.

    Not really surprising to the people that don't watch Fox News religiously, but Project Veritas in a sting on CNN, showed that Tucker Carlson is racist, and apparently with their so called sting, it might even be a felony. They somehow tapped Jeff Zucker's phone calls.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/projec...lson-is-racist

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    since you people think Trump doesn't have a lot of goodwill, how will he win in 2024? He's already looking towards the future.
    Again, it will be really hard for him to do that when he is in jail. Along with the rest of his family.

  6. #65606
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    since you people think Trump doesn't have a lot of goodwill, how will he win in 2024? He's already looking towards the future.
    Are you going to lie and shill for him over the next 4 years?
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    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

  7. #65607
    Trump threatens to veto defense spending bill if Congress doesn't revoke unrelated social media shield

    Link: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-thr...055815938.html
    President Trump threatened to veto a $740 billion defense spending bill if it doesn't repeal Section 230 of the 1996 Communications Decency Act, an unrelated provision that grants broad legal immunity to social media and other internet sites. Unless the "dangerous and unfair Section 230" is "completely terminated," Trump said on Twitter, he will "unequivocally veto" the legislation. Section 230, which shields social media companies from legal liability for user content posted on their sites, is considered a foundational provision of the internet.

    Congress has passed the National Defense Authorization Act with bipartisan support for 59 years in a row, and "presidents from both parties have always signed them, even after issuing veto threats," The Wall Street Journal notes. "The Senate version passed 86-14, and the House version passed 295-125, more than the two-thirds supermajority needed to override a potential veto." Negotiators are currently working out the differences so the legislation can be cleared in the next few weeks. Trump has already threatened to veto this same bill over a provision to rename military bases honoring Confederate officers.

    There is bipartisan support to reform Section 230, though each party objects to different ways it affects social media. Democrats say Facebook, Twitter, and other sites should do more to weed out disinformation and dangerous content, while Trump has complained baselessly that the sites censor conservatives. The NDAA authorizes $740 billion in Pentagon and Energy Department spending, including a 3 percent raise for U.S. troops, and guides Pentagon policy decisions.

    Besides passing the NDAA, Congress hopes to push through a spending bill to keep the government running and a COVID-19 relief package before adjourning for the year.
    In other words, he threatens to veto it unless he gets his way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Trump threatens to veto defense spending bill if Congress doesn't revoke unrelated social media shield

    Link: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-thr...055815938.html

    In other words, he threatens to veto it unless he gets his way
    And I hope they override his veto.

  9. #65609
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    And I hope they override his veto.
    I hope they give Trump what he wants so we can see his reaction when social media is forced to ban him due to liability issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Soon-to-Be-Former President Trump threatens to veto a defense policy bill unless it ends protections for internet companies that shield them from being held liable for material posted by their users
    I don't understand. How does restricting freedom of Speech have anything to do with defense policy? Last I checked, the DoD didn't communicate with the troops by Twitter. Well except for Trump, but Twitter already has special rules for Trump. This doesn't seem related to defense policy at all.

    Can anyone defending Trump, such as @Kokolmus for example, explain how this demand has anything to do with defense policy? I guess until some Trump defender wants to explain how Twitter has anything to do with defense policy, Trump is just withholding money and supplies from American troops in the field until Biden takes the helm and immediately signs it.

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    NBC News looked at PPP recipients and in a result that surprised literally negative people, found Trump took millions of dollars of taxpayer money and kept it for himself.

    Over 25 PPP loans worth more than $3.65 million were given to businesses with addresses at Trump and Kushner real estate properties, paying rent to those owners. Fifteen of the properties self-reported that they only kept one job, zero jobs or did not report a number at all.

    The loans to Trump and Kushner properties included a $2,164,543 loan to the Triomphe Restaurant Corp., located at Trump International Hotel & Tower in New York City. The company reported the money didn’t go to keeping any jobs. It later closed.

    A company called LB City Inc, which is located at Kushner’s Bungalow Hotel in Long Branch, New Jersey, received a loan for $505,552.50 that it used to keep 155 jobs.

    Two tenants at 725 5th Avenue, Trump Tower, received more than $100,000 and only kept three jobs.

    Four tenants at the Kushner-owned 666 5th Avenue combined received more than $204,000, and only retained 6 jobs.
    Obviously some of those are worse than others but man, that bolded. Trump is a miserable failure of a businessman.

    And as NBC News says, because a curiously large number of PPP loans went to businesses with no contact information -- how??? -- it could be even more.

    Just so everyone's clear: $3.65 million is more than Trump's salary. Oh, and that doesn't even include the taxpayer money he spent to go golfing.

    Two hundred ninety-two times. Combined cost $142 million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    dont you have to be prosecuted for something to be pardoned?

    i assume giving out get out of jail free cards isnt a thing.
    I’m getting flashbacks to ‘Will Obama pardon Hillary’... remember when that was a thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    since you people think Trump doesn't have a lot of goodwill, how will he win in 2024? He's already looking towards the future.
    Is that why he is still milking money from his supporters towards stopping the election ‘steal’? You think in 2024, when the popular vote breaking 100 million for the first time in voting against Trump sets a new record, Trump will still be confused why so many vote for his opponent? Setting records in loosing the popular vote to people who need an iron lung and those with dementia, isn’t something Trump will understand in 4 years... I don’t think you will either...
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  12. #65612
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I don't understand. How does restricting freedom of Speech have anything to do with defense policy? Last I checked, the DoD didn't communicate with the troops by Twitter. Well except for Trump, but Twitter already has special rules for Trump. This doesn't seem related to defense policy at all.

    Can anyone defending Trump, such as @Kokolmus for example, explain how this demand has anything to do with defense policy? I guess until some Trump defender wants to explain how Twitter has anything to do with defense policy, Trump is just withholding money and supplies from American troops in the field until Biden takes the helm and immediately signs it.

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    NBC News looked at PPP recipients and in a result that surprised literally negative people, found Trump took millions of dollars of taxpayer money and kept it for himself.



    Obviously some of those are worse than others but man, that bolded. Trump is a miserable failure of a businessman.

    And as NBC News says, because a curiously large number of PPP loans went to businesses with no contact information -- how??? -- it could be even more.

    Just so everyone's clear: $3.65 million is more than Trump's salary. Oh, and that doesn't even include the taxpayer money he spent to go golfing.

    Two hundred ninety-two times. Combined cost $142 million.
    Just another thing for the Biden administration to investigate and hit companies with fraudulant claim charges.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Just another thing for the Biden administration to investigate and hit companies with fraudulant claim charges.
    Sadly, I don't see that working here.

    I just think that the GOP included PPP rules that allowed this sort of thing for their rich friends, and Trump took advantage of the rules like it was a teenage girl backstage at a beauty pageant.

  14. #65614
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    since you people think Trump doesn't have a lot of goodwill, how will he win in 2024? He's already looking towards the future.
    He won't. Its extremely extremely rare for big time losers like Trump who have been booted out of office to run and win again.

    So it'd be remarkably stupid for republicans to nominate him as their candidate again which almost certainly means they will if they can, which is why republican officialdom is praying that democrats do them a favor and send him to jail.
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    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

  15. #65615
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    since you people think Trump doesn't have a lot of goodwill, how will he win in 2024? He's already looking towards the future.
    Why are you so enamored with Trump specifically?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Why are you so enamored with Trump specifically?
    Similar make up regiment? Wait... I don’t think this poster is a drag queen...
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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Why are you so enamored with Trump specifically?
    Look their posts and threads. They have a fascist fetish. They clearly don’t want to be in control of their own lives and want someone dictating their day to day activities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxx79 View Post
    Look their posts and threads. They have a fascist fetish. They clearly don’t want to be in control of their own lives and want someone dictating their day to day activities.
    I think they’re just trolling. All they do is pop in, post a series of “begging the question” posts that highlight some “virtue” of trump or cast aspersions on criticisms of him, never really respond to anyone and then eventually just dip out again.

    You know bad faith posters when all they do is post vague questions “suggesting” a viewpoint and never actually own up to asserting anything. Lockedout did the exact same kind of thing.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

  19. #65619
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I don't understand. How does restricting freedom of Speech have anything to do with defense policy? Last I checked, the DoD didn't communicate with the troops by Twitter. Well except for Trump, but Twitter already has special rules for Trump. This doesn't seem related to defense policy at all.

    Can anyone defending Trump, such as @Kokolmus for example, explain how this demand has anything to do with defense policy? I guess until some Trump defender wants to explain how Twitter has anything to do with defense policy, Trump is just withholding money and supplies from American troops in the field until Biden takes the helm and immediately signs it.
    Saying mean things about the president is a threat to national security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I think they’re just trolling. All they do is pop in, post a series of “begging the question” posts that highlight some “virtue” of trump or cast aspersions on criticisms of him, never really respond to anyone and then eventually just dip out again.

    You know bad faith posters when all they do is post vague questions “suggesting” a viewpoint and never actually own up to asserting anything. Lockedout did the exact same kind of thing.
    Poe’s Law is a truth for me lol.

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