Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

Tbf, the amount isn’t anywhere near what they’d ever get in court. It’s more about grabbing headlines.

I know, I still think he's gonna need to start selling feet pix on OnlyKlans if he's gonna raise enough money to cover what the settlement will likely be.

[cubby]

I would love to see this tested. Trump did not speak those things as a legitimate Commander in Chief or head of the Executive Branch. He spoke those things as a whining sore loser, refusing to accept a dozen recounts and sixty-plus failed lawsuits, because his rallies were totes bigger gaiz!

He was chain-lying about the democracy he was supposed to represent, declaring himself dictator, and based it on literally less than nothing.

I'd really love to see the courts' view on that. The President of the United States didn't say that, Trump did. He was expressing his personal views, not those of the office.

If the courts are okay with that, then Biden has no choice but to remove that protection himself. Think about it: what if, hypothetically, President Whitey says "Black people are the devil and they should all die"? Is that okay? "Gay people are an abomination and they should all die"? Is that okay? "Women should not vote and you should kill any who try"? Is that okay?

There are limits. I think Trump crossed the line by declaring himsef the winner of a landslide victory that Dominion stole, then instigating a murderous insurrection. I really need to see the courts take this issue on. Maybe they'll say he didn't cross the line, and I'd have to accept that, but until that happens, that's carte blanche for Biden to say "I've outlawed Florida, you should kill any Floridian you see" and that would be allowed.

And yes, I know this is "just" defamation, but my point remains. Trump did not have absolute authority. This is the United States of America. We don't have absolute authority.

No-one is above the law.

Same here - watching the court wade through speech as a President vs speech as a private citizen would be interesting, to say the least.

[Edge-]

Maybe his defense will be stuff like



https://mobile.twitter.com/RudyGiuli...85526421110789

Such a brilliant mind...

How the fuck has he evaded getting banned so far? Seriously, he's just as bad as the rest of the lunies Twitter has already removed...and yet he still tweets.

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Well, we know he’s into cousins and incest porn is a big industry...

I dunno what the market for "Step-Great-Uncle" is looking like in that scene. But I'd hazard to guess it's a pretty niche market, and based on prior performance in front of the camera I fear he wouldn't be a good actor.

[cubby]

It is normally covered under "errors and omissions" for lawyers. However, it does not cover intentional fraudulent claims. I don't know of any insurance that will cover that. So likely he will have to cover the cost himself or ask for donations.

You are correct - Errors and Omissions typically covers accidental mistakes (filing errors, typos, etc) that result in claims brought against practicing attorneys. It absolutely does not cover illegal behavior. Attorneys also have malpractice insurance, which is a broader policy covering a host of other actions by attorneys that result in claims brought against them. MP insurance probably won't cover this, and it certainly won't cover the total damages sought. After the cap, the attorney/firm is on the hook for the remainder of the judgment.

Dominion and [can't recall name] have filed a brilliant law suit. And they have a really good chance to win. And as a benefit, they get to make Lil Rudy admit he had no proof (recall that Rudi continues to say he has proof, but has yet to present it).

[Felya]

Can’t make this shit up... grifting to the end:

Trump Hotel in D.C. Hikes up Price for Significant QAnon Date of March 4
https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-trump...-march-1567489

[Edge-]

Can’t make this shit up... grifting to the end:

Trump Hotel in D.C. Hikes up Price for Significant QAnon Date of March 4
https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-trump...-march-1567489

That's just smart business, man. No emoluments issue anymore, he can jack up the rates to grift his devoted cultish base all he wants.

[Elegiac]

First sitting member of Congress to die from it.

Posted on said member's Twitter account not three days ago:

Democrats are choosing teachers unions and special interests over the well-being of our students.

The CDC says schools can safely re-open if proper precautions are taken.

What are we waiting for?

The irony, lol. Rest in piss.

[Edge-]

Posted on said member's Twitter account not three days ago:



The irony, lol. Rest in piss.

Oh, so he was a death cultist? Loss is always tragic, unless you're a death cultist. Then that's like, literally the fuckin point.

[Elegiac]

Oh, so he was a death cultist? Loss is always tragic, unless you're a death cultist. Then that's like, literally the fuckin point.

If the timeline meshes up, Ron Wright was on his deathbed in the ICU at the very moment his staffers were sending out that tweet, so...

Yes, death cultists.

[Benggaul]

Oh, so he was a death cultist? Loss is always tragic, unless you're a death cultist. Then that's like, literally the fuckin point.

If the timeline meshes up, Ron Wright was on his deathbed in the ICU at the very moment his staffers were sending out that tweet, so...

Yes, death cultists.

Like I said in my original post: Texas Republican. So, yes.

[Edge-]

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/...mpression=true

Like May, Turnbull had important issues on his mind, in this case steel tariffs. Taking his chance, Turnbull collared Trump, who was obsessing about something else. “Donald said: ‘Malcolm, do you want to see my SCIF? It is so cool.’ I had no idea what he was talking about. I thought he was talking about a boat [a skiff]. We turned around a corner and there was this big steel box about the size of a shipping container.”

Trump pulled Turnbull into what turned out to be a “sensitive compartmented information facility”, an ultra-secure communications hub, with the new French president, Emmanuel Macron, also in tow.

“He said: ‘This is so cool – when you’re in there, nobody can hear you, not even the Chinese. It’s so secret.”

Yo, I hope all the world leaders and their aides (and Trumps) keep blabbin about all this insane shit. Like, yo, Republicans, aren't y'all the ones who endlessly whinge about security? And your guy held a fucking functioning situation room out of the restaurant of his Florida hotel, while a foreign leader was sitting there dining. And brought another foreign leader into a secure sciff on a whim.

I'm going to be reminding any "conservative" who ever tries to talk security that their guy spent 4 years as the single largest security risk to the US, including divulging intelligence from allies to a hostile country without their approval, and they remained silent.

[Breccia]

"This is so cool".

Real raiders are too busy killing mythic bosses to hang out in trade chat, bragging about their ilvl.

[dextersmith]

I should let @cubby answer this one, but I think the answer is "Dominion has no proof Trump ordered Giuliani to make those exact statements". If it comes up in trial, due to subpoena for example, you'll see him added to the defendants instantly.

Now that said, I'm fairly sure Trump also said some things about Dominion being broken while he was in office, but even the worst of those pale in comparison to what Giuliani said. He's by far the easier target.

I wonder how they calculated $1.3 B worth of damage.

[Rasulis]

You are correct - Errors and Omissions typically covers accidental mistakes (filing errors, typos, etc) that result in claims brought against practicing attorneys. It absolutely does not cover illegal behavior. Attorneys also have malpractice insurance, which is a broader policy covering a host of other actions by attorneys that result in claims brought against them. MP insurance probably won't cover this, and it certainly won't cover the total damages sought. After the cap, the attorney/firm is on the hook for the remainder of the judgment.

Dominion and [can't recall name] have filed a brilliant law suit. And they have a really good chance to win. And as a benefit, they get to make Lil Rudy admit he had no proof (recall that Rudi continues to say he has proof, but has yet to present it).

I thought malpractice is limited to negligent acts? Are intentional fraudulent claims covered under malpractice (i.e. gross negligence)?

[Breccia]

I wonder how they calculated $1.3 B worth of damage.

Possibly punative, added to actual damages.

Giuliani is worth $45 million.

Dominion makes under that in a year, so $1.3 billion would be 25 years of revenue.

In this article Dominion says it already expects to lose $200 million in the next five years because of statements from Giuliani and Powell. Says an expert in the field:

When you run out of gas in this industry, it's either because you run out of cash or you run out of reputation. And that's when things go bankrup or things get acquired

If Giuliani's statements destroyed Dominion, and did so under false pretenses, asking for all the business Giuliani cost them seems fair. I guess Giuliani could take the FOX defense "everyone knows I'm not a credible source of information" but the problem was, he was speaking directly as Trump's lawyer at the time, and even if he didn't people actually believed him to the point of a murderous insurrection.

I suspect the other $1 billion and change is a "Don't fuck with us" sign wrapped around a sledgehammer. It's intended to be a blunt instrument, beating Giulian into a settlement. Dominion wants their name "cleared" from all this, and Giuliani admitting he was wrong, in public, does that. Giuliani doesn't even have the $200 million of losses Dominion says they'll lose, so even a modest judgement on the facts could ruin him forever. If it were my case, I'd offer Giuliani the chance to buy his way out of the lawsuit with a public admission he was wrong -- and a signed contract saying, that if Giuliani ever goes back on that apology, he forfeits $200 million before his will goes into effect. Giuliani works with Trump, he knows all about NDAs.

I don't know if any judge would ever rationally put a $1 billion judgement against Giuliani.

I also theorized earlier that Dominion is waiting for Giuliani to say "Trump made me do it". Trump might not have $1.3 billion either, but based on his loans coming due, even if he has it he can't spare it. The second Trump becomes a legal target in this, the price tag skyrockets. Trump's words and actions are a matter of objective public record. A judge could get to decide how much attacking democracy directly should cost. How much starting a murderous insurrection should cost. How much making the US into the laughingstock of the world, by standing on a pile of four hundred thousand dead Americans and claiming you won the election but it was stolen by voting machines, should cost. By having that judgement come before bankruptcy or Trump's will, it would not just bankrupt Trump personally but also his entire family, many of whom run businesses Trump props up, like Ivanka and Kushner.

We might actually find out which Trump values more: his family, or pretending he won the election.

I hope it gets there. I don't know that it will. Either way, Giuliani's good and fucked. He knows Trump won't bail him out, because he's no longer useful to Trump.

[Edge-]

https://www.chicagotribune.com/colum...wjy-story.html

Good silly op-ed about how DEMONcrats are totes infecting Republicans with covid. The Republicans that "proudly" decide to ignore all medical advise and treat the virus as a hoax, at least.

[cubby]

I thought malpractice is limited to negligent acts? Are intentional fraudulent claims covered under malpractice (i.e. gross negligence)?

I don't believe they would be, and even so, the insurance coverage is capped - so [if found guilty] he's fucked regardless.

[Breccia]

Good silly op-ed

I think the best part is

At my Masks Are Tyranny advocacy group’s planning session Tuesday afternoon, I got close to the faces of several members and loudly exclaimed, “WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON?”

[Rasulis]

I don't believe they would be, and even so, the insurance coverage is capped - so [if found guilty] he's fucked regardless.

The best part is that if his coverage is denied, he will need to fund his own defense. There is a saying "A Lawyer Who Represents Him or Herself Has a Fool for a Client." On the other hand, Giuliani conduct so far put him firmly in the fool category. So we will see.

[cubby]

The best part is that if his coverage is denied, he will need to fund his own defense. There is a saying "A Lawyer Who Represents Him or Herself Has a Fool for a Client." On the other hand, Giuliani conduct so far put him firmly in the fool category. So we will see.

Indeed - he will need serious and expensive representation. Dominion has deep fucking pockets, so Lil Rudi won't be able to bury them in paperwork. People might laugh this suit off (not you, others) in the overall situation with Trump/Giuliani and their multiple felonies, but this kind of thing is a great way to punish them - take their money and livelihood. As an analogous example, Capone killed multiple people and committed untold number of crimes, but he eventually went to jail for tax evasion.

This is how the Trump Crime Family will go down.