Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Elegiac]

Points out? You do realize there was weeks of media coverage on this already. How much more is regurgitating everything along with a negative vote going to accomplish?

More than you whinging about it on a forum, for starters.

There wouldn't be media coverage if there wasn't a trial.

[TigTone]

Impeached without being convicted by the Senate doesn't mean that much.

Sounds like an opinion

[Benggaul]

Sounds like an opinion

Nixon and Clinton would both probably disagree with it.

[Paranoid Android]

Oh, well then as others have said, it's about sending a message that the kind of actions that Trump took will not be tolerated. Well, not tolerated by rational people, at least. We all know the Republicans are not rational at this point.

Umm after reading the poster you replied too, Idk what the hell he is talking about.

[bladeXcrasher]

Impeached without being convicted by the Senate doesn't mean that much.

The fuck it doesn't. Stop trying to minimize the importance.

[Elegiac]

Impeached without being convicted by the Senate doesn't mean that much.

Indeed. Maybe demonstrating that there are actually no real legal mechanisms for recourse if half of Congress are facile towards a despotic executive is the point here, sweaty.

[Selvari7]

Sounds like an opinion

Enlighten us then. How much will it accomplish given all the time, effort and media attention it has been given?

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More than you whinging about it on a forum, for starters.

There wouldn't be media coverage if there wasn't a trial.

There was media coverage for weeks after it happened you do realize.

[Elegiac]

There was media coverage for weeks after it happened you do realize.

I'm talking about media coverage of the trial.

And as for media coverage of the fascist action at the Capitol on Jan 6; good, it should be dragged out because it would be less convenient for you and your ilk when you can't pretend everything is fine and dandy with the GOP.

[Selvari7]

Oh, well then as others have said, it's about sending a message that the kind of actions that Trump took will not be tolerated. Well, not tolerated by rational people, at least. We all know the Republicans are not rational at this point.

You aren't sending a message though if even after all the arguments and proceedings you don't even come close to the numbers needed for conviction.

[TigTone]

Enlighten us then. How much will it accomplish given all the time, effort and media attention it has been given?

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There was media coverage for weeks after it happened you do realize.

If you want to discuss the importance of impeachment or it’s significant go ahead and start a new thread.

[Elegiac]

You aren't sending a message though if even after all the arguments and proceedings you don't even come close to the numbers needed for conviction.

Yes, and then sane people will look at the folks who voted 'acquit' in the face of those arguments and proceedings and wonder why that is.

[TigTone]

Yes, and then sane people will look at the folks who voted 'acquit' in the face of those arguments and proceedings and wonder why that is.

Poster is purposely ignoring your point.

[Selvari7]

Can't run for office again, and I think Trump also loses some (all?) of the benefits former presidents receive.

From what I can see, it's only if there are the votes in the senate for him to lose benefits. So without the votes he won't.
For not running for office, it would have to be another vote after this.

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1348688712419463174

[The Royal We]

Its probably a good feeling when the legal team representing you says "they have to do better next time". Perhaps if Trump would have paid his defense attorney's in the past he could have has someone who didn't have to learn on the job.

I love how isolated this will make the GOP Senator's when they do vote no since they will have to explain their vote in their own words given the defense failed to provide a single compelling argument. Looks like turtle face is already trying to test balloon the possibility of Senator's peeling off and voting "yes", I doubt he has the shell for it and I know the GOP doesn't have a conscience, but I will live with the fact that this whole process is making GOP leadership squirm in agony.

[Paranoid Android]

The evidence is so damning - but of many Rs in the room as well. They too perpetrated the Big Lie and the stop the steal. They dare not convict because that would mean they too...

https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/st...782034948?s=19

Well, when you are partaking in committing the crime and now a juror. You likely won't convict Trump, thus implicating the Senators.

[cubby]

https://lawandcrime.com/u-s-capitol-...-insurrection/

Over hours of opening statements in former President Donald Trump’s Senate trial, impeachment managers sounded similar themes: that several months of stolen-election messaging led to the siege of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. One of the most visible figures of that insurrection quoted and validated those remarks in the middle of those proceedings.

Eric Munchel, the rioter dubbed the “zip-tie guy” for toting tactical restraints while accompanying his mother to the Senate, cited the impeachment managers’ trial memo in arguing that his actions could only properly be viewed in the context of Trump priming his supporters to believe that he could only lose reelection through fraud.

“Beginning in 2020, parts of the United States government—first and foremost the President of the United States of America—told the public that the only way President Donald Trump could lose the presidential election was if the election was rigged,” Munchel’s latest defense memo reads, in the first line of a section titled “Prologue.”

Zip Tie guy is blaming Trump as well. I hope they call some of these folks to testify, that'll be a treat.

I hope they bring him in to testify.

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Trump's Twitter ban is permanent, even if he runs for office again in 2024.

Fan-fucking-tastic.

[Selvari7]

"It's just theater" is what pretty much all Trump supporters have been saying whenever he's called to answer for his crimes.

If there were enough votes then this would have much more value. Or even if there were some undecided votes that could get them over the threshold. But when you already likely know how this will turnout..

[Elegiac]

If there were enough votes then this would have much more value. Or even if there were some undecided votes that could get them over the threshold. But when you already likely know how this will turnout..

We've already explained to you that you not seeing the value doesn't mean it isn't there, sweaty. Climb down.

[Edge-]

If there were enough votes then this would have much more value. Or even if there were some undecided votes that could get them over the threshold. But when you already likely know how this will turnout..

Then when we look back at this point in US history, we'll remember that Republicans put one man and their party over the country. Sometimes you do shit for future generations, knowing that it won't have immediate effect but will serve as a lesson for the future.

Just because Republicans have made it clear they won't remove him doesn't mean the whole thing should just go away.

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/ruben-...a=twitter_page

Man, for the Q party there sure do seem to be quite a lot of pedo fucks in there.

Q folks should get on this and get rid of the pedos in their own ranks.

[Adam Jensen]

If you're demonstrating to the public then why not focus on the new administration's agenda like fighting climate change, the pandemic, improving living conditions etc.

"Oh we have too much to do, lets just let that crime go unaccounted for."