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True - and we see that already with Cohen. Hmmmm...I think it would be a pretty interesting situation. I do know that with House Arrest comes federal officer "guards/minders" that prevent the rules from being broken. Maybe he could live in the residence part while the resort remains open. Would that be worse? Trump trapped in a tiny [hands] home while socializing goes on all around him, and he not able to interact in any way.
It's entirely possible the courts could say something along the lines of "look, you aren't going to be in house arrest ON YOUR RESORT -- find a different place to live."
But I don't know if the courts could really shut down a resort to have someone under house arrest -- especially since Trump isn't technically the owner right? It's the Trump business or something right?
Certainly will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Well, they have to walk to line on that one.
He may be a president, but he also tried to overthrow the nation and get people killed. Regardless of his failed job as a president, they CAN'T go easy on those crimes if they want anyone to take the thought of accountability seriously if they have a modicum of power.
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Right -- but those charges are going to be incredibly hard to land in criminal court. I think Trump's legal liabilities (at least this point) are mostly financial and those aren't likely to come with hardcore prison time.
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Yeah, I'm sure his lawyers will find a way to weasel into some cushy service but I'd love for him to be forced to feed the homeless or work with minorities.
I think y'all are putting the cart before the horse already thinking about Trump's house arrest.
I mean, you seem to be assuming he'll be able to keep Mar-A-Lago if things really go south and Deutsche Bank wants their money.
For the financial stuff, that will be easy to stick I think and as another mentioned, will he even have that resort after all is paid back?
As far as the other charges, I don't they would be too hard to prove at this point given Trumps telling them to walk on the capital while his own lawyer said "Let there by trial by combat" in that same meeting combined with how Trump refused to call in for help and even mocked McCarthy saying the rioters cared about the election more than him.
Then you get the crimes where he was trying to steal the election with his actions in the post office and so on.
The financial stuff will be easy to stick and may likely lose him his resort anyways, but the other stuff would be hard NOT to stick given all we have at this point.
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Agreed - we are definitely WAY ahead of ourselves. We can definitely confirm that the Manhattan DA has Trump's tax records - for sure has them, not "is about to go get them after this last court ruling" bullshit.
So the game is afoot.
Trump currently facing:
- Rape defamation suit.
- Voter intimidation criminal suit (GA)
- Civil investigation, fraud (NYC).
- Criminal investigation, fraud, tax fraud (NYC).
- Tax fraud, criminal (NYSt).
- Inauguration Fund Fraud civil/criminal, D.C.
Feel free to add to the list.
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Deutsche Bank didn't give Mar-a-Lago loans, near as I can tell. So while Trump might be forced to sell to make up his personal guarantee, or he might be forced to relinquish ownership if he declares personal bankruptcy, Deutsche wouldn't just take it directly.
They would get his Chicago skyscraper, the Doral golf course, the DC hotel, Reading Railroad, Baltic Avenue, and probably Water Works, because taking that many things from Trump will make him cry like a bitch. All of these properties have been losing money because people realized how horrible a human being Trump is, but scrape his name off the sides and they should return to profitable properties again. And thanks to Trump directly forcing the issue, his hotel is still an ideal spot for foreign visitors -- which will no longer be a conflict of interest.
The properties started losing money, but that's not bank fraud of course. It is, however, a reason why, if/when Trump declares those businesses bankrupt or goes bankrupt himself, their values as assets will be low. Trump could very easily be forced to "sell" these properties for far less than he paid for them, which in this context, means Deutsche Bank would actually take a significant portion of Trump's own assets.
Or, he lied to the IRS and goes to jail. One of the two. We all remember Cohen has been cooperating for a literal year, right?
Okay. DC is going after him for the inauguration fraud.
Also near as I can tell, Trump owes Deutsche Bank several hundred million dollars. Those three properties I listed? I don't think they covered it even before he was elected. They definitely don't now.
Remember the slush fund that too many idiots gave Trump to "save the election". I really hope that banks don't let him slide with paying pennies on the dollar or a few million, meaning small percentage to give him time to come up with the money.
The rich, or wannabee, con artist rich have different rules. I wish the banks show no mercy as a fake billionaire and ex Prez.
Democrats are the best! I will never ever question a Democrat again. I LOVE the Democrats!
"Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.
If Deutsche Bank goes after all the money they are owed, either because of fraud or just because the loans coming due, Trump is going to lose a lot of properties. And those properties are either significantly under water or just plain worthless with the Trump name on them. So him might be facing personal bankruptcy as well. Which would, again, be awesome.
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There is no upside to Kemp doing that. It might seem attractive, but as @D Luniz pointed out, he would get killed in the 2022 election. Stacy is probably going to beat him anyway, so there could a lame-duck commutation, but that's down the "maybe" road.
I really don't think those charges would stick. Mainly because Trump didn't say "I want you to now go to the Capital, invade it, and try to hang Pence." Given his office, and the nature of political rhetoric I think it will be extremely hard to get anything to stick with the Jan 6th riots.
There might definitely be something with Georgia -- although again...there may be enough wiggle room in the fact he didn't outright say "commit election fraud for me that's an order." As for other things -- like obstruction of justice and the like...those are more political and I am going to guess the Biden administration is going to have the stomach to go after Trump.Then you get the crimes where he was trying to steal the election with his actions in the post office and so on.
Well I guess we'll see...I'm not so optimistic.the other stuff would be hard NOT to stick given all we have at this point.