Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Benggaul]

Sunday's quick report:

36,983 new cases, 270 deaths, bringing the total to 568,777. As mentioned previously they are skewed very low due to the holiday weekend, so keep your optimism in check.

Stay safe, folks.

[Bodakane]

So are you saying there's about a dozen counties with no Publix and by proxy no vaccine distribution centers?

40+ year Floridian here...

1. Vaccines are available at Walgreens and CVS (among many other places) as well, so I'm confused by the exclusive label.

2. Publix is a store with a rabid and loyal following. If you don't shop there, then you're either in the low income bracket or not close to one. Seriously, it has like the second highest customer satisfaction of any grocery chain nationwide last i checked. The point being, the vaccine is free and you either shop there or you can't, so I'm not sure what advantage having people come there for vaccines is....to the point they'd pay for the "exclusivity" of it.

3. Everywhere the population is low in Florida is squarely and securely Trump country. Not too mention there's quite a few high population areas that are as well. So there's not going to be a lot of people in those low pop areas getting the vaccine anyway, because they're idiots. As i talked about before, in my area, EVERY single 15 minute window for shots was open at every location. You could make an appointment same day and be done in about 20 minutes.

4. Don't be so sure my dumb ass state won't vote Desantis again.

[Breccia]

Incidentally, the latest talking point by the GOP seems to be "Oh! Oh! Those librul elites can't stop talking about Trump! Oh heavens to betsies, or deary me, my pearls!"

Which would make sense, if Trump didn't keep making the news about all the stuff he did and/or is doing.

Evers Seeks $250K From Trump, GOP Official For Election Lawsuit Legal Fees

This was from four days ago.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that Evers made the request in two different federal courts on Wednesday.

If Evers is successful, Trump would have to pay more than $145,000 in one case. In the other, the chairman of the Republican Party of La Crosse County would have to pay about $107,000.

An Evers attorney called the lawsuits frivolous and argued taxpayers should not have to foot the bill for defending against them.

Huh. Look at that. Trump is still refusing to pay the people he owes money.

Trump issues Easter greetings by attacking political rivals, griping about election loss

This was yesterday.

"Happy Easter to ALL, including the Radical Left CRAZIES who rigged our Presidential Election, and want to destroy our Country!" Trump said in a written statement early Sunday.

Sounds familiar...

I would like to extend my best wishes to all, even the haters and losers, on this special date, September 11th

Oh, right.

Supreme Court dismisses lawsuit over Trump's Twitter account

This was an hour ago.

The case arose after seven people responded critically to tweets on the president's now-banned @realDonaldTrump account and he retaliated by blocking them. They sued and won in the lower courts, which held that blocking individual respondents based on their viewpoints violated the First Amendment.

The Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit said the president's account amounted to a kind of public forum and often concerned official matters with contributions from White House staff members.

The Trump Justice Department urged the Supreme Court to reverse those rulings. While the president's tweets were sometimes official statements, his decision to block individual responses was a personal one allowed by any Twitter user, government lawyers contended.

Yep, Trump was caught red-handed trying to censor free speech. This one's been going for a while, actually. The only reason I joined Twitter was to follow Chrissy Tiegen, and the only reason I did that was Trump blocked her for "lol noone likes you".

And this is just from this weekend. And and, this is just the stuff that we missed.

If a conservative is upset that Trump is still in the news, then the person to blame for that, is Trump. Trump being held accountable for those things he did is Trump's fault. Trump putting out intentionally inflammatory statements is Trump's fault. Trump's attacks on the Constitution and failures in court are Trump's fault. You don't get to say "LEAVE BRITTNEY ALONE!" when Trump is making the news, every day, on purpose.

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4. Don't be so sure my dumb ass state won't vote Desantis again.

I'm not. But that would require DeSantis actually campaign -- and he needs funds for that.

[Nellise]

Oh, right.

Supreme Court dismisses lawsuit over Trump's Twitter account

This was an hour ago.

You might have included why it was dismissed. It's regarded as "moot" since Trump is no longer president.

[Breccia]

You might have included why it was dismissed. It's regarded as "moot" since Trump is no longer president.

Well that's why SCOTUS dismissed it, but that leaves the lower court ruling(s) in place. Biden's DoJ helped by basically dropping the case.

[kaid]

Well that's why SCOTUS dismissed it, but that leaves the lower court ruling(s) in place. Biden's DoJ helped by basically dropping the case.

Also given the account is locked and trump can't access it it seems very reasonable to just moot the case as its no longer a live concern.

[Resurgo]

You might have included why it was dismissed. It's regarded as "moot" since Trump is no longer president.

Which means this order stands. trump loses. Freedom of Speech wins.
https://knightcolumbia.org/documents/a07ecc2a26

Also means that sets precedent if any other trumphadis tries to do that again.

[Breccia]

Also given the account is locked and trump can't access it it seems very reasonable to just moot the case as its no longer a live concern.

Side note: "this specific case is moot" has always felt like a stupid argument to me, including the election results. Precedent should be set.

Fortunately, in this case, it was. The lower court rulings remain in place. But in the election cases thrown out because the US certified, that bugged the crap out of me. Especially since his lawsuits were almost all frivolous and he/his lawyers should have been slapped down. But that's another thread.

[Lenonis]

DeSantis should be terrified about his odds in 2022 considering Trump didn't win FL by all that much, DeSantis is not Trump, and DeSantis basically watched his voters die of COVID while eating popcorn. He probably figures he needs all the money he can get to somehow convince the voters he hasn't killed yet that it's somehow someone else's fault.

Unfortunately Florida is Florida and DeSantis has a somewhat decent popularity rating. He's generally considered in a strong spot for re-election. Misinformation is a hell of a drug.

[Edge-]

Unfortunately Florida is Florida and DeSantis has a somewhat decent popularity rating. He's generally considered in a strong spot for re-election. Misinformation is a hell of a drug.

Cater to rich white folk and retirees, make sure poor folk and people of color have a hard time voting, overrule the ballot measure passed with popular support granting voting rights to ex-felons to keep them from voting, profit.

It's really pretty fuckin gross and awful and shows how a government can absolutely abuse and manipulate governance and democracy to maintain power while actively working to kill as many people as they can. And many of their constituents will cheer them for it.

[AntiFascistVoter]

It absolutely is. He was called on it, and he just handwaved it. DeSantis should be terrified about his odds in 2022 considering Trump didn't win FL by all that much, DeSantis is not Trump, and DeSantis basically watched his voters die of COVID while eating popcorn. He probably figures he needs all the money he can get to somehow convince the voters he hasn't killed yet that it's somehow someone else's fault.

I dunno, the media has already demonstrated they're quite dedicated to propping up DeSantis.

I'm betting CNN already has a piece written, "How DeSantis Won Covid The Hurricane season!"


He'll spend an hour on Meet The Press, evading all questions. Chuck Todd will gush, "This is presidential material!"

[Nellise]

Well that's why SCOTUS dismissed it, but that leaves the lower court ruling(s) in place. Biden's DoJ helped by basically dropping the case.

The lower court's ruling was vacated, it was not left in place. "The judgment is vacated, and the case is remanded to the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit with instructions to dismiss the case as moot." https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/...21zor_3204.pdf

[Edge-]

I dunno, the media has already demonstrated they're quite dedicated to propping up DeSantis.

I'm betting CNN already has a piece written, "How DeSantis Won Covid The Hurricane season!"


He'll spend an hour on Meet The Press, evading all questions. Chuck Todd will gush, "This is presidential material!"

Don't forget Van Jones, "This was truly the moment he grew into the role of Governor." the next 3-4 times DeSantis literally does the bare minimum of acting like a governor for a second and not calling a media outlet "FAKE NEWS".

Seriously, the way some in the media fuckin carry water for these drowning fucks is beyond me. Is the bar really that fuckin low now?

[bladeXcrasher]

Don't forget Van Jones, "This was truly the moment he grew into the role of Governor." the next 3-4 times DeSantis literally does the bare minimum of acting like a governor for a second and not calling a media outlet "FAKE NEWS".

Seriously, the way some in the media fuckin carry water for these drowning fucks is beyond me. Is the bar really that fuckin low now?

It's a stupid reaction to appear "impartial". It's absolutely ridiculous by all metrics.

[Edge-]

It's a stupid reaction to appear "impartial". It's absolutely ridiculous by all metrics.

The faux-mentality where "neutrality" is a thing in all instances. Also, Van Jones generally seems to be a bit of an ideological mercenary and piece of shit.

Gotta avoid the appearance of being decent people and appear fair to "all sides"!

Chuck Todd can eat his own fucking shitty goatee.

[Breccia]

The lower court's ruling was vacated

That's just stupid. The lower court's ruling was made while it was still relevant. It should have been left alone.

[Felya]

It's a stupid reaction to appear "impartial". It's absolutely ridiculous by all metrics.

Impartial is good, the problem is the subjectivity of both fairness and balance.

[cubby]

That's just stupid. The lower court's ruling was made while it was still relevant. It should have been left alone.

I agree practically speaking, but the Court always shies away from a decision if they can help it. There are some good, logical, and even practical reasons for it - but sometimes those don't apply.

[Felya]

That's just stupid. The lower court's ruling was made while it was still relevant. It should have been left alone.

The more interesting part is Justice Thomas write up on it... 12 pages of pretty much arguing that social media should be regulated as a common carriers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_carrier

Edit: ... and if you want to discuss it, here is a thread on it... Edge beat me by minutes:

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...d-Be-Regulated

[Breccia]

I agree practically speaking, but the Court always shies away from a decision if they can help it.

All the more reason to leave the original alone. You say "shies away" but they went back and removed a previous ruling and they did it on purpose. That's a decision.