Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

Trump’s cult losing but still wearing his stuff like a badge of honor is very similar to people flying the confederate flag. They see it as a form of defiance, instead of what it actually was... a crushing loss.

Well, they claim the Confederacy is their "heritage" and it lasted only about 4 years. Which is as long as Trump was president. I look forward to MAGA/Confederate pride flags for the rest of my life as people talk about "muh heritage" and that time they stormed the Capitol for Dear Leader.

It's wild that people place so much importance on something that lasts less time than the average marriage in America. Especially given that, amusingly enough, it seems that both losses were due to a failed, unworkable ideological platform and infighting hastening their respective defeats.

Damn there are probably a lot more similarities here if we start drilling down even further.

[Bodakane]

Well, they claim the Confederacy is their "heritage" and it lasted only about 4 years. Which is as long as Trump was president. I look forward to MAGA/Confederate pride flags for the rest of my life as people talk about "muh heritage" and that time they stormed the Capitol for Dear Leader.

It's wild that people place so much importance on something that lasts less time than the average marriage in America. Especially given that, amusingly enough, it seems that both losses were due to a failed, unworkable ideological platform and infighting hastening their respective defeats.

Damn there are probably a lot more similarities here if we start drilling down even further.

Here's the lyrics to a song written by Hank Williams Jr.

If the South woulda won, we woulda had it made
I'd probably run for President of the Southern States
The day Elvis passed away would be our national holiday
If the South woulda won, we woulda had it made
I'd make my Supreme Court down in Texas
And we wouldn't have no killers getting off free
If they were proven guilty, then they would swing quickly
Instead of writing books and smiling on TV
We'd all learn Cajun cooking in Louisiana
And I'd put that capital back in Alabama
We'd put Florida on the right track, 'cause we'd take Miami back
And throw all them pushers in the slammer
Oh, if the South woulda won, we woulda had it made
I'd probably run for President of the Southern States
The day young Skynyrd died, we'd show our southern pride
If the South woulda won, we woulda had it made
"Play a little dixieland boys, ah yes"
I'd have all the whiskey made in Tennessee
And all the horses raised in those Kentucky hills
The national treasury would be in Tupelo, Mississippi
And I'd put Hank Williams picture on 100 dollar bills
I'd have all the cars made in the Carolinas
And I'd ban all the ones made in China
I'd have every girl child sent to Georgia to learn to smile
And talk with that Southern accent that drives men wild
I'd have all the fiddles made in Virginia
'Cause they sure can make 'em sound so fine
I'm going up on Wolverton Mountain and see ole Clifton Clowers
And have a sip of his good ole Arkansas wine
Hey, if the South woulda won, we'd a had it made
I'd probably run for President of the Southern States
When Patsy Cline passed away, that would be our national holiday
If the South woulda won, we'd a had it made, olay he hee hee
I said if the South woulda won, we woulda had it made
Might even be better off

I live in rural Florida. To me, there is literally no difference between Confederate fetishists and Trump cultists, because here, if you're one then you're also the other.

[Fugus]

I naively thought Trump's defeat would start this process, but they are stubborn assholes. We need to beat them again in 2024, especially after they feel some vindication in 2022 when they no doubt flip the House.

HR1, if it passes before the next redistricting, their chance of stealing the house against the will of the voters with gerrymandering and voter disengagement goes down massively and will likely lose more.

I know they will lose seats in NC if it passes.

[Edge-]

ARE YOU A DEFECTOR WHO SIDES WITH THE DEMS!?

Man, it's amusing how the side that complains about, "Oh but there are two America's now and no unity and that's so bad!" literally calls people who don't support their cult leader by agreeing to monthly recurring donations, literally days after stories broke about how thousands of donors were duped into recurring donations they never wanted to make, defectors.

It's not a cult, it's not a cult!

[bladeXcrasher]

ARE YOU A DEFECTOR WHO SIDES WITH THE DEMS!?

Man, it's amusing how the side that complains about, "Oh but there are two America's now and no unity and that's so bad!" literally calls people who don't support their cult leader by agreeing to monthly recurring donations, literally days after stories broke about how thousands of donors were duped into recurring donations they never wanted to make, defectors.

It's not a cult, it's not a cult!

Tell me that's not really on winred right now...

[Edge-]

Tell me that's not really on winred right now...

https://thebulwark.com/the-nrcc-carr...cam-tradition/

Do you even seriously have to ask? It's more than just that, that's just the most standout bit of insanity.

[s_bushido]

It's not a cult, it's not a cult!

It's probably not. It's a bonafide religion at this point. They're guilting you into tithing, and everything.

[Edge-]

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...rump-officials

Unsurprisingly: Even high level officials in Trumps administration like McConnell's wife, Elain Chao, former Transportation Secretary, are having a helluva time finding the kind of work they did before joining the administration.

Guess there are gonna be a lot of other folks joining the Pence's as they couch-surf their way through a post-Trump presidency where they find themselves unemployed and largely unwanted by any company who can afford to pay them a decent salary for sitting on a board.

[Breccia]

Maybe they should like, work on their party platform and messaging instead?

Can you imagine how boring the Kasich Shitshow thread would be? Like, 100 pages?

[s_bushido]

Can you imagine how boring the Kasich Shitshow thread would be? Like, 100 pages?

I mean...any Republican administration would have come with its fair share of dogshit policies. The main difference between the "platform and messaging" of Trump and the rest of the GOP was the words they used while implementing said dogshit policies.

[Breccia]

Giuliani files a motion to dismiss the Dominion lawsuit against him.

"On what grounds?"

He says he didn't do it.

"...he knows that's what the trial is for, right?"

Well he also claims that Dominion lacks the standing to file.

"But they're the injured party. Yes, they do."

Well, the filing also claims that Dominion can only file for lost profits.

"Well first of all, Dominion's filings show $650 million in losses or likely losses, the rest is punative. Which they're allowed to do by law. Isn't Giuliani a lawyer?"

I mean, he is for now.

YSBA has received hundreds of complaints in recent months about Mr. Giuliani and his baseless efforts on behalf of President Trump to --

"No no no. I mean, he went to law school. He's supposed to know the stuff he's staying is head-meltingly stupid."

Giuliani missed the deadlinet o respond to Dominion's lawsuit and asked for a 35-day extension which ends in a matter of hours. Incidentally, 35 days before that, he said

Dominion’s defamation lawsuit for $1.3B will allow me to investigate their history, finances, and practices fully and completely. The amount being asked for is, quite obviously, intended to frighten people of faint heart. It is another act of intimidation by the hate-filled left-wing to wipe out and censor the exercise of free speech, as well as the ability of lawyers to defend their clients vigorously. As such, we will investigate a countersuit against them for violating these Constitutional rights.

"Did he do literally any of that?"

No.

"Is there a Constitutional right to accuse someone else of fraud, in public, without evidence?"

No.

"Doesn't Giuliani's filed-today claim that Dominion can only sue for losses, fly in the face of his claim they can't sue him for money he doesn't have? If he claims the law says they can sue for losses, why is he complaining that the number isn't based on his finances?"

Because he's desperate and floundering. In addition to everything Giuliani said in public, about Dominion, that even if he through it was true he lacked evidence, what about all those court filings he personally signed?

And before we get too far away from this, remember: It's not if Giuliani knowingly lied. It's about if he made shit up and said it was true.

What are the major issues in the Dominion Voting Systems defamation case against Rudy Giuliani? What should law students be paying attention to?

The real major issue revolves around Mr. Giuliani's state of mind when he made the statement. When the plaintiff in a defamation case is a "public figure," Supreme Court authority requires that plaintiff to show not only that the defendant uttered a false statement damaging to reputation, but that the defendant knew it was false or acted with reckless disregard of its accuracy. The Court refers to this state of mind as "constitutional malice." The standard is designed to prevent a conflict between defamation law and the principles of the First Amendment. Moreover, the standard for constitutional malice is subjective. It is not whether a reasonable person would have known the statement to be false, but rather whether Mr. Giuliani knew it was false and said it anyway.

Dominion is almost certainly a public figure, at least insofar as issues of election integrity are concerned. Mr. Giuliani's statements were based on the declaration of an anonymous Venezuelan military officer, which he obtained from another Trump lawyer named Sidney Powell. The case will thus hinge on whether it was legally reckless for Mr. Giuliani to rely on this document.

"So, he's fucked. This was his big I-need-a-month-extension and he still came up with wild flailing like a muppet in a tumble dryer."

He has one last emergency exit that I don't think's been touched on. See, Giuliani could claim his main basis for the statements is the bolded red above. He could try to throw Powell under the bus to save himself, and say "Whaaaaaaaaa? One of Trump's employees showed me information that was questionable? I am shocked, I say, shocked! I had no reason to question the Kraken when she handed me an unsigned, unnamed statement from a continent my boss insists is full of drugs, crime, and rapists like his ally Gaetz. I was merely quoting in good faith what I was shown to be as ironclad as any other unnamed source my boss has claimed are Fake News for five years."

If he does this, this will be Giulani's Last Stand, having already uses Shield Wall and Spell Reflection.
1) Because Powell will instantly turn on him if he tries that. She doesn't have $650 million, either.
2) Giuliani would be forced, in court, in person, to say "I saw the unsigned, unnamed, document from another country and assumed it was true with no attempt to verify it, and therefore made public declarations that Dominion was stealing a national election based on what basically amounts to Some Guy On Twitter."
3) Or, he could say "I trusted the source without knowing its source" and that's instant disbarrment for filing massive election-ending lawsuits based on something you didn't read and don't know that it is.
4) But regardless of which of those two versions he tries, he'll be forced to say under oath "Yes I said those things and I said so with the believe they were true" and hope that the judge/jury somehow believes "well that's something that Trump entrusted with this most valuable task would do, that seems completely reasonable".

Let me make this clear: I have enough proof Giuliani fucked his own niece, as Giuliani does that Dominion committed massive election-stealing fraud. If I were to go on live TV and say "I have proof Giuliani fucked his own niece, and also I'm filing sixty civil/criminal court cases for his incest which I can prove" then I can and should be sued and/or jailed. Because I have nothing to base such a public statement or sixty lawsuits on except deranged conspiracy theorists on Reddit /r/melty_man to work with.

And.

Even if @cubby or @Edge- or @Benggaul or someone PMed me saying "I have proof Giuliani fucked his own niece, you should say so in public and sue" it's still my dubmass fault if I do that.

Giuliani is kitchen sinking this. "I didn't say it, and even if I did you're not allowed to complain, and even if you are you can't ask for that much money, and even if you can IT WAS HER FAULT ALL HER FAULT BLAME HER NOT ME!"

[Edge-]

https://nypost.com/2021/04/07/white-...g-migrant-boy/

Suddenly Republicans seem to...pretend to care about migrant children? Man, who knew all you had to do to get them to pretend to care was have a Democrat in the White House.

I don't think anyone actually believes they really care, especially since most were cheering on the Trump administration literally kidnapping children and losing track of their parents. But hey, at least the performative political art is mildly entertaining.

[Dead Moose Fandango]

https://nypost.com/2021/04/07/white-...g-migrant-boy/

Suddenly Republicans seem to...pretend to care about migrant children? Man, who knew all you had to do to get them to pretend to care was have a Democrat in the White House.

I don't think anyone actually believes they really care, especially since most were cheering on the Trump administration literally kidnapping children and losing track of their parents. But hey, at least the performative political art is mildly entertaining.

Next Melani or however her name is spelled [I don't care. Do you?] Will have a jacket with "I care, do you?" on it!

[Felya]

Next Melani or however her name is spelled [I don't care. Do you?] Will have a jacket with "I care, do you?" on it!

She is not going to be in the public eye, until Trump bites it... she did not seem to like it...

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/s...68897183051776

Y'all...I regret to share with you...the "comedy" stylings of Greg Gutfeld. It's not funny. Conservative humor so rarely is.

[postman1782]

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/s...68897183051776

Y'all...I regret to share with you...the "comedy" stylings of Greg Gutfeld. It's not funny. Conservative humor so rarely is.

Didn't he also have that shitty show that was on really late on Fox News, that was just fucking horrible as well? Yeah, it was that shitty "Red Eye" show, that showed late night that was never funny, and full of bullshit racism.

[s_bushido]

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/s...68897183051776

Y'all...I regret to share with you...the "comedy" stylings of Greg Gutfeld. It's not funny. Conservative humor so rarely is.

"The right is getting better at comedy, and the left is scared."

...or something.

I have no idea what that Brian Williams bit is even supposed to mean.

[Breccia]

Y'all...I regret to share with you...the "comedy" stylings of Greg Gutfeld. It's not funny. Conservative humor so rarely is.

I watched the entire clip and I still don't know what that is.

[PhaelixWW]

I watched the entire clip and I still don't know what that is.

It was an awful lot of cringe, it was.

[postman1782]

It was an awful lot of cringe, it was.

Isn't that Gutfield's entire career?