Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

2024 is going to be... interesting.

I'm looking forward to the Republican party simping hard for Trump, hopefully getting absolutely clobbered, and then trying to figure out what the fuck to do next when it all starts falling apart as the fingers start getting pointed at everyone.

Like, the likes of Nikki Haley, who was once viewed as a rising star in the Republican party and an appeal to a more diverse electorate, much like Marco Rubio once was just a few short years before her, aren't gonna be able to pretend that they didn't bend the knee for Trump at almost every turn and personally greased the wheels for Trump's triumphant return.

It's just really showing how absolutely empty, hollow, and completely ideologically bankrupt the party that is not the actual cult of personality has become. It's hilarious thinking back to the Republican criticisms of Democrats because we thought Obama was a pretty cool cat, compared to the guy that's literally the Second Coming.

[cubby]

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...umb-son-of-a-b

Asked about if he had any response to his parties leader calling him a "dumb son of a bitch", Minority Leader Mitch McConnell had this to say:







That's the joke, he stayed silent as Trump moved on him like a bitch.

I would call that a win for McConnell. Don't get me wrong, I hate the SOB, but I can't help admiring how he plays the game. Not responding to the childish and literal name-calling profanities just makes McConnell the only adult in the room.

Trump might be out fundraising Trump, but McConnell is still the statesman that Trump will so desperately never be.

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I'm looking forward to the Republican party simping hard for Trump, hopefully getting absolutely clobbered, and then trying to figure out what the fuck to do next when it all starts falling apart as the fingers start getting pointed at everyone.

Like, the likes of Nikki Haley, who was once viewed as a rising star in the Republican party and an appeal to a more diverse electorate, much like Marco Rubio once was just a few short years before her, aren't gonna be able to pretend that they didn't bend the knee for Trump at almost every turn and personally greased the wheels for Trump's triumphant return.

It's just really showing how absolutely empty, hollow, and completely ideologically bankrupt the party that is not the actual cult of personality has become. It's hilarious thinking back to the Republican criticisms of Democrats because we thought Obama was a pretty cool cat, compared to the guy that's literally the Second Coming.

That kind of scenario would be great for 2024 - the GOP not knowing how to deal with Trump, and therefore defacto giving him the nomination for 2024. That would remove Nikki from the equation for another 8 years, and give Harris a shot.

[Breccia]

I hate the SOB, but I can't help admiring how he plays the game.

Indeed, McConnell is the ultimate whore. Nobody's taken as much money to be pissed on.

[cubby]

Senator John Cornyn said today of President Biden's twitter feed:

The president is not doing cable news interviews. Tweets from his account are limited and, when they come, unimaginably conventional. The public comments are largely scripted. Biden has opted for fewer sit down interviews with mainstream outlets and reporters. Invites the question: is he really in charge?

Biden's Press Secretary responded with:

I can confirm the president does not spend his time tweeting conspiracy theories, and spends his time working on behalf of the American people.

Yeah, @Edge, I believe I am developing a thing for her too.

[Breccia]

If you're desperate and surrounded, it's understandable you might fire blindly in all directions, hoping to hit something.

Just don't aim at your own feet.

In 2019 NYState passed the TRUST Act, not just allowing but requiring NYState to turn over tax returns of public officials when Congress asks, even if they're a President's. Trump's lawyers argue in court that, because Trump is no longer in the White House, this no longer applies.

"Wait, isn't the reason it took this long because Trump's lawyers were using the protection of the White House, hence requiring the TRUST Act in the first place? Like, if Trump had just been like any other felon, this would have been over years ago?"

Yes.

"And isn't the reason the taxes weren't turned over while Trump was still in the White House, because he just didn't do it?"

Well, basically, yes.

"This is some bullshit, right here."

Right now, Congress must give Trump a 14-day head start before getting NYState's returns, an order placed when Trump was still in charge.

"Didn't Trump say he was going to prosecute Clinton for things she did in office, when she was out of office? He clearly doesn't believe his own rhetoric. Also his time to challenge the NYState law has come and gone."

It has, but oddly enough, he seems to be helped by Congress not going after his NYState returns but his federal ones. I don't see why, NYState returns contain federal info and NYState would hand them over for the flimsiest excuse possible at this point. Congress is instead asking the IRS for his returns, which Biden's people will almost certainly agree to cooperate.

Trump's actions are akin to a murderer fighting a subpoena asking for his gun, because the murder already happened so the gun isn't relevant. Trump held unPresidented power, assigning acting roles and bypassing security checks like none before. Since Trump used his own powers to block any inquiry into a security breach while it was happening, the only recourse now is to check for one after the fact.

This attempt to prevent the truth from getting out is deoomed. Trump is surrounded.

1) This most recent filing could easily fail, seeing as how Congress gave Trump extra protection because he was in the WH, and by his own arguments those protections should no longer apply.

2) Or, Congress could just get Biden to hand them over, probably smiling.

3) Or, NY's fraud case could just use them directly.

4) Or, someone who I'll cheer for as he's taken to jail could just leak the tax returns for a lot of money and press.

Honestly, at this point, the best way for Trump to hide his taxes and what's got to be multiple felonies and/or national security risks at this point is, well, to die. That's the only thing I can think of that will people to stop caring about all that stuff he did.

[Omega10]

I'm looking forward to the Republican party simping hard for Trump, hopefully getting absolutely clobbered, and then trying to figure out what the fuck to do next when it all starts falling apart as the fingers start getting pointed at everyone.

Like, the likes of Nikki Haley, who was once viewed as a rising star in the Republican party and an appeal to a more diverse electorate, much like Marco Rubio once was just a few short years before her, aren't gonna be able to pretend that they didn't bend the knee for Trump at almost every turn and personally greased the wheels for Trump's triumphant return.

It's just really showing how absolutely empty, hollow, and completely ideologically bankrupt the party that is not the actual cult of personality has become. It's hilarious thinking back to the Republican criticisms of Democrats because we thought Obama was a pretty cool cat, compared to the guy that's literally the Second Coming.

Trump won in 2016. There is no reason DeSantis couldn't win in 2024. Add in a republican Senate and a republican House and he'd be GOLDEN.

[Breccia]

Since we don't have an election thread (glares) and this is the catch-all category for "Trump\s allies are all proven hypocrites", I'll post here.

Local sources report that
a) DeSantis voted remotely in 2016, when there was no outbreak and he was a US Rep at the time, and
b) his vote was tossed because the signatures didn't match.

In other words, not only is he foaming at the mouth about a problem that basically didn't exist, but he's personally done far worse...recently.

[Edge-]

https://thehill.com/media/547929-you...ted-violations

Those in the Trump orbit just can't seem to catch a break. Poor Sebastian Gorka, who as a reminder has an outstanding warrant for his arrest in Hungary where he couldn't get a government job, got his YT channel banned by those evil libruls for *double checks notes* continuing to shill the Big Lie.

Man, these folks are going to be resorting to smoke signals and CB radio sooner rather than later.

[Lenonis]

2024 is going to be... interesting.

The best thing that could possible happen to the GOP is for Trump to kick the bucket before 2024. Because whether or not he runs if Trump is still alive he's going to be a dominating force in the primaries which is going to result in a candidate the base loves but the general electorate loathes.

[Benggaul]

Monday's quick report:

56,522 new cases, 460 deaths, bringing the total to 576,298. Both numbers are down a bit from the previous Monday, but given that Monday's reports are usually wildly inaccurate I wouldn't read much into it.

Related news:

Covid cases are rising in more than half of U.S. states, despite ramp-up in vaccinations

Michigan again reported the highest level of daily new infections on a per capita basis, according to a CNBC analysis of Johns Hopkins data. On Monday, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said the state should "shut things down" as it deals with the surge and that a boost in Covid-19 vaccinations alone will not stop the spread of the virus.

Michigan is recording nearly 7,300 average daily new cases, close to the state's pandemic high of more than 8,300 per day in December. Hospitalizations and deaths are also on the rise in the state.

Stay safe, folks.

[Gorsameth]

I'm looking forward to the Republican party simping hard for Trump, hopefully getting absolutely clobbered, and then trying to figure out what the fuck to do next when it all starts falling apart as the fingers start getting pointed at everyone.

Like, the likes of Nikki Haley, who was once viewed as a rising star in the Republican party and an appeal to a more diverse electorate, much like Marco Rubio once was just a few short years before her, aren't gonna be able to pretend that they didn't bend the knee for Trump at almost every turn and personally greased the wheels for Trump's triumphant return.

It's just really showing how absolutely empty, hollow, and completely ideologically bankrupt the party that is not the actual cult of personality has become. It's hilarious thinking back to the Republican criticisms of Democrats because we thought Obama was a pretty cool cat, compared to the guy that's literally the Second Coming.

The danger is that without Covid and Trump being President Democratic turnout is lower and he actually has a chance of winning.

No one thought he had a chance the first time and he won, He wasn't supposed to have a chance the second time and it was close.
I don't see a reason to think he can't win 2024 if he is the Republican candidate.

[postman1782]

https://thehill.com/media/547929-you...ted-violations

Those in the Trump orbit just can't seem to catch a break. Poor Sebastian Gorka, who as a reminder has an outstanding warrant for his arrest in Hungary where he couldn't get a government job, got his YT channel banned by those evil libruls for *double checks notes* continuing to shill the Big Lie.

Man, these folks are going to be resorting to smoke signals and CB radio sooner rather than later.

I was going to say, last I knew, he still had it, didn't realize that was from today lol. Good the shitlord needs to be deplatformed just like Trump.

[Ripster42]

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Those in the Trump orbit just can't seem to catch a break. Poor Sebastian Gorka, who as a reminder has an outstanding warrant for his arrest in Hungary where he couldn't get a government job, got his YT channel banned by those evil libruls for *double checks notes* continuing to shill the Big Lie.

He will always be the guy who wears the pin of an organization that was under the direction of nazis.

[Edge-]

He will always be the guy who wears the pin of an organization that was under the direction of nazis.

And the guy who was such shit that his own Masters professor or whatever routinely talks about how he's a fuckin idiot who has no business working in national security.

[Benggaul]

Tuesday's report:

77,720 new cases, over 15k more than last Tuesday.

Top 6:

Michigan: 10,277 new cases (new record); 81 deaths
Fuck Florida.
Pennsylvania: 6,120 new cases; 66 deaths
New York: 5.212 new cases; 48 deaths
New Jersey: 4,848 new cases; 50 deaths
Texas: 4,532 new cases; 60 deaths

Haven't had to use the red text in a while. Michigan passed 10k for the first time since about mid-November and set a new record for new cases. The vaccination race is absolutely not paying off there and Whitmer continues fumbling the ball. I'm not sure what to make of New York's drop. I didn't read anywhere that they were having problems reporting, but it's odd that their tally would be so much lower today than those previous. I wouldn't be surprised to see a correction somewhere along the line soon. Speaking of corrections, Florida posted over 9k Tuesday after claiming only about 1.5k Monday. Fuck Florida.

819 deaths is over 50 fewer than last Tuesday and brings the total to 577,179. I won't "jinx it" again by saying what I said last time, but things look, if not great, then at least better even with Michigan's rising death count due to huge number of cases.

Related news:

Michigan Hospitals Are Preparing For Latest COVID Spike to Be Worse Than April 2020--In addition to their record for new cases Michigan also had a new record in hospitalizations on Tuesday. Not good.

COVID-19 fallout threat 'will ripple through the world for years,' intel report finds--I know most of us--myself included--have mainly been looking forward to the end of the current crisis as vaccinations continue and restrictions and "recommendations" are lifted, but this is a sobering reminder that we'll likely be dealing with COVID-19 complications for a long, long time yet. Not counting the fact that the vaccine may well end up being a yearly necessity.

Stay safe, folks.

[Felya]

Trump won in 2016. There is no reason DeSantis couldn't win in 2024. Add in a republican Senate and a republican House and he'd be GOLDEN.

Trump is a brand, DeSantis is still just a politician.

[Breccia]

Whitmer continues fumbling the ball.

Is it Whitmer, or is it Whitmer's constituents who refuse to follow common-sense precautions? While Whitmer isn't asking for another shutdown, new voluntary restrictions have been asked for nicely, and emergency rules set to expire today have been extended.

Whitmer pleads for more COVID compliance. So far, Michigan isn’t listening

Honestly, it feels like Whitmer is trying to arrange some kind of middle ground, and the people of Michigan are saying "no, we'd rather *cough* just do whatever *cough* we want, ugh *WHUMP*".

[Benggaul]

Is it Whitmer, or is it Whitmer's constituents who refuse to follow common-sense precautions? While Whitmer isn't asking for another shutdown, new voluntary restrictions have been asked for nicely, and emergency rules set to expire today have been extended.

Whitmer pleads for more COVID compliance. So far, Michigan isn’t listening

Honestly, it feels like Whitmer is trying to arrange some kind of middle ground, and the people of Michigan are saying "no, we'd rather *cough* just do whatever *cough* we want, ugh *WHUMP*".

As I've said before, there comes a time when you have to stop saying "pretty please" and start being the adult. She had no problems doing it last year when everyone was pissing and moaning (and plotting); she should have no problem doing it now when it absolutely still matters. She defied Trump last year to impose stronger restrictions, now she's defying Biden in refusing to do so. And again, if people were just harming themselves in being stubborn dipshits then whatever, but willfully contributing to a threat to public health needs to be reigned in. I don't feel like having a protracted argument on the matter.

[Breccia]

As I've said before, there comes a time when you have to stop saying "pretty please" and start being the adult

Good point. That said, the people in Michigan are still acting like children, without the excuse of being children. They're not gettting off the hook.

[solinari6]

Good point. That said, the people in Michigan are still acting like children, without the excuse of being children. They're not gettting off the hook.

Have the elderly and at risk all been vaccinated in Michigan yet? Honestly, I'm ready to just let the rest of those jerks die. I know it sounds harsh, but there's only so much hand holding you can do.

I mean, have you tried to calmly explain to a wild pack of lemmings that they shouldn't run over the cliff?