Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Fugus]

Only 10 House Republicans with spines....

The last 4 years and what they have done and greenlit already proves that isn't true either. Maybe they have demonstrated an individual vertebra at best, but they already proven they are spineless long before this.

[Machismo]

I'm loving the sheer number of politicians and Fox news pundit fuckwits who stated that Trump committed an impeachable offense, yet are outraged at the idea of impeaching him for that impeachable offense. The next time anyone tries to use Andy McCarthy as a source, I'm going to laugh in their fucking ignorant faces.

[Vegas82]

A Netflix Special.

I was seeing a HBO Max mini series, but I’ll entertain offers...

[CastletonSnob]

How fucked is Trump?

[Breccia]

How fucked is Trump?

Not all that very. Unlikely he'll be found guilty of insurrection. Probably will still lose a lot of court cases and money, though.

Oh, you meant impeachment? Yeah, being impeached after you leave office is a lot like being deciding on dessert after you've already left the restaurant.

[wunksta]

How fucked is Trump?

Hard to say, seems like it depends on getting Romney and 16 GOP Senators.

[Gorsameth]

bipartisan impeached. Trump still has WAY too much power over this party. Not surprised, but fucking hell, republicans are that public defender going "yeah he did commit a robbery, yeah a bunch of people died during that robbery, yeah we were all there during said robbery, but we gotta do nothing, because we need to heal. so vote not guilty," and then they do just that.

lets not pretend 10 Republicans makes this bipartisan.

The fact its only 10 shows that the Republican party is not ready for national unity.
They are still very much up Trumps ass.

[Draco-Onis]

I was watching the vote live and god damn, the amount of people not wearing their masks properly was driving me nuts. One guy even took his mask off to sneeze ffs.

The house republicans are all sorts of crazy from Qanons, Neo Nazis etc.

[wunksta]

lets not pretend 10 Republicans makes this bipartisan.

The fact its only 10 shows that the Republican party is not ready for national unity.
They are still very much up Trumps ass.

You need to tone down that rhetoric.

[Gorsameth]

How fucked is Trump?

No more fucked then he was 2 weeks ago.
This vote is completely and utterly meaningless and the conviction vote will not happen until after he left office and will no doubt go up to the Supreme Court to decide if Congress can even convict him after he has left office.

[Corvus]

Was hoping more than 10 would support impeachment but it is a slight improvement from last time given no Republicans voted for impeachment the first time.

[Valkyrst]

No more fucked then he was 2 weeks ago.
This vote is completely and utterly meaningless and the conviction vote will not happen until after he left office and will no doubt go up to the Supreme Court to decide if Congress can even convict him after he has left office.

Not really. A majority is all that’s needed to stop him from holding office again. That’s all the goal of this impeachment is. He cannot appeal that in the Supreme Court since it’s not a criminal indictment.

[Draco-Onis]

Not really. A majority is all that’s needed to stop him from holding office again. That’s all the goal of this impeachment is. He cannot appeal that in the Supreme Court since it’s not a criminal indictment.

There's a higher chance of that happening now because let's face it even his most crazy supporters in the senate are acting because they want to run in 2024.

[Valkyrst]

There's a higher chance of that happening now because let's face it even his most crazy supporters in the senate are acting because they want to run in 2024.

Indeed. The goal is to bar him. Basically.

[beanman12345]

lets not pretend 10 Republicans makes this bipartisan.

The fact its only 10 shows that the Republican party is not ready for national unity.
They are still very much up Trumps ass.

10 republicans is history making.

when Johnson was impeached 0 democrats voted yay
When Clinton was impeached 5 democrats voted yay
First Trump impeachment 0 republicans voted yay
Today 10 republicans voted yay.

every single impeachment vote has been party line votes. This is technically, the most bi-partisan impeachment ever. I don't give any credit to any of the 10, with maybe the exception of that one freshman kinda sorta but not even really, because they've been enablers for all this time, none have taken responsibility for that, and until they do take responsibility, they are just as big of cowards as their colleagues who voted no.

[Resurgo]

No more fucked then he was 2 weeks ago.
This vote is completely and utterly meaningless and the conviction vote will not happen until after he left office and will no doubt go up to the Supreme Court to decide if Congress can even convict him after he has left office.

If they go by precedent, William Belknap was impeached after he quit.

[Gorsameth]

Not really. A majority is all that’s needed to stop him from holding office again. That’s all the goal of this impeachment is. He cannot appeal that in the Supreme Court since it’s not a criminal indictment.

The SC has final say in interpreting the constitution. And that includes the question if Congress has to power of impeachment over a former President.
They have power of the current president, no question there, but the subject of ex-Presidents is not mentioned in the constitution.

The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

After his term ends Trump will no longer be President.

[SirBeef]

No more fucked then he was 2 weeks ago.
This vote is completely and utterly meaningless and the conviction vote will not happen until after he left office and will no doubt go up to the Supreme Court to decide if Congress can even convict him after he has left office.

It can go to the SCOTUS all they want. Conviction and removal are two different aspects. Doesn't matter if he is still president or not, he can still be convicted of a political crime.

And BTW, he was impeached. 2 times. The Senate doesn't impeach they convict. Once again, completely different.

[Gorsameth]

If they go by precedent, William Belknap was impeached after he quit.

Yes there is some precedent. But if Trumps want to this will go the SC and well, he stacked the courts so who knows. Maybe this would be their final favor to him.

[Resurgo]

Yes there is some precedent. But if Trumps want to this will go the SC and well, he stacked the courts so who knows. Maybe this would be their final favor to him.

That's expecting a lot seeing as how they didn't even look at a case of 'election fraud' as a favor for trump...