Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Fugus]

These people had both the expendable time and income to travel, potentially cross-country, just to break some things.

Clearly they weren’t actually aggrieved, they were just angry that their guy lost and wanted to make noise.

Seeing them reminded me of how they kept trying to joke that all the protesters when he took office would unemployed bums because if they had jobs, they wouldn’t have time to do it. All the while ignoring the educational and vocational backgrounds of them.

Seeing them just made want to joke about all them unemployed trump guys at the capital and what happened to their job under trump to lose it to even have enough time to make that trip.

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/MollyBeck/status...47983982321665

Y'all, as a reminder, Cardi B's "W.A.P." will bring about the downfall of a moral society.

Because I guess small children watch the Grammy's and adults are incapable of like, changing the channel or being emotionally stable enough to handle some sexuality.

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https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-...n-weak-1586147

Trumps "Tweet by official statement" are still going. The latest? Praising a brutal foreign dictator and criticizing the Democratically elected leader of an ally -

"Kim Jong-un of North Korea, who I have gotten to know (and like) under the most trying of circumstances, never respected the current President of South Korea, Moon Jae-in,"

As a reminder, he still functionally controls the Republican party. I mean, I guess he said more, but like, does anyone really fuckin care?

[Elegiac]

https://twitter.com/MollyBeck/status...47983982321665

Y'all, as a reminder, Cardi B's "W.A.P." will bring about the downfall of a moral society.

I thought those idiots had moved on to Call Me By Your Name for their latest moral panic.

[Breccia]

Justice Dept. now expects to charge more than 500 in Capitol riot probe

Good.

Two things (well a lot more, but in this context two things) had been bothering me.
1) How could they watch thousands of people storm the nation's Capitol and arrest fewer people than an NBA team?
2) When that one dude plead guilty and turned over his phone, who else was on it?

Actions need to have consequences. It is not reasonable to storm a guarded federal government building and assume you weren't doing something wrong.

Put these people in a cage, put the cage in public, and hang a sign "American Murderous Traitors". I'll be the third stall on the left, selling overripe fruit.

[Omega10]

Good.

Two things (well a lot more, but in this context two things) had been bothering me.
1) How could they watch thousands of people storm the nation's Capitol and arrest fewer people than an NBA team?
2) When that one dude plead guilty and turned over his phone, who else was on it?

Actions need to have consequences. It is not reasonable to storm a guarded federal government building and assume you weren't doing something wrong.

Put these people in a cage, put the cage in public, and hang a sign "American Murderous Traitors". I'll be the third stall on the left, selling overripe fruit.

If there were black, or lefties of some sort, they would mostly be dead already. Hopefully the rule of "it's ok for whites and illegal for blacks" will continue to go away.

I've witnessed multiple cases of various crimes where the reaction to a good ole boy committing a crime is ... "WE DON'T WANT TO RUIN HIS LIFE", while if it was anyone else it is "if you do the crime, you obviously do the time, MAXIMUM TIME, throw the books at him".

This is changing. Not fast enough.

[Breccia]

With Trump facing 29 lawsuits personally, at some point, it'd be piling on if there were more. I might even feel sorry for the poohoohoohoohahahahahMUAHAHAHAHA damn, almost got that one out.

Trump campaign sued for not paying its bills. Albuquerque this time.

(re-reads article)

Oh wait, no, this isn't a lawsuit. They're just going straight to a collection agency.

Earlier this month the city resent the bill originally addressed to New York-based Donald J. Trump for President Inc. to a new address at Mar-a-Lago in Florida, according to a city spokeswoman. That is on top of the ongoing efforts of a collections agency, she said.

“They are still pursuing it, as recently as this month,” spokeswoman Lorena Sanchez said in an email.

The city’s attempt to collect from Trump recently landed Albuquerque Mayor Tim Keller an interview during a special Trump-themed episode of “The Daily Show.” Keller described how the city had to escalate matters to collections when the bill went unpaid and calls went unreturned.

“He (Trump) should be getting these annoying voicemails that, like, we get usually from scam companies where it’s like ‘You owe debts,'” Keller told Jordan Klepper, a correspondent for the Comedy Central TV show. “I think Mar-a-Lago is now getting those calls.”

Its tally did not appear to include Bernalillo County, which also invoiced Trump for the 2019 visit. A county spokesman said Thursday the bill – for $139,183.52 – never was paid. The county ultimately wrote it off as “bad debt,” the spokesman said.

Trump’s campaign told Public Integrity in 2020 that the U.S. Secret Service – not the campaign – should get the bills for public safety costs associated with Trump rallies, though the Secret Service said it does not receive funding for such expenses.

And, yes, it's Trump's fault for not knowing that, and his ignorance is not an excuse.

Also, the article actually says, accurately, Trump defunded the police.

[Masark]

Also, the article actually says, accurately, Trump defunded the police.

In seriousness, APD needs to be defunded. And defenestrated.

[Felya]

And, yes, it's Trump's fault for not knowing that, and his ignorance is not an excuse.

The only reason his rallies stoped, even now that places are opening up, is because he has to pay for them... when it was the tax payer dime, he would pop them off several times a month. While right now, is a more appropriate time to campaign... since he doesn’t have a job...

Anyone who believed the scam of him not collecting a pay check, should be ashamed of them selfs.

[Benggaul]

Friday's report:

66,515 new cases, about 15k fewer than last Friday. Another decent drop.

Top 6:

Michigan: 5,640 new cases; 32 deaths
Fuck Florida.
New York: 5,194 new cases; 55 deaths
Pennsylvania: 4,067 new cases; 56 deaths
Illinois: 3,369 new cases; 27 deaths
Texas: 2,982 new cases; 63 deaths

It's still looking like most states are on the back end of the latest wave as numbers continue to decline. This is helped by many of the more populous states having a vaccination rate of around 40% (at least one dose) including California and New York. If this continues then we can say with some degree of certainty that this fourth wave was exceedingly mild compared to the last one, but given how contagious some of the new strains are (including the UK variant found across the US) I'm not willing to definitively write it off yet. There's still plenty of room for error and we need to remain vigilant.

790 deaths is over 100 fewer than last Friday and brings the total to 585,075. We will still in all likelihood hit 600k within 5-6 weeks, but it should soon slowly begin to decline over time. No states reported triple-digit numbers on Friday.

Related news:

Josh Hawley Only Senator to Vote Against COVID Hate Crimes Bill Against Asian Americans--Because people are fucking ignorant assholes there has been a huge spike in hate crimes against Asians in many Western countries due to COVID-19. Because Hawley is a garbage-tier human being he doesn't see this as a problem.

Stay safe, folks.

[Breccia]

“I really hate them for it, I’ll be honest.”

"I mean, theyr'e investigating me and will find out about all that stuff I did. How dare they tell people in public about what I did in public?"

I guess it's only fair that he works for FOX News, who has said under oath Carlson should not be taken seriously, only to have Carlson shit all over journalists in general.

[Fugus]

I know this is a Trump thread, but since him and Russia are so interconnected and how he defended them even when it came out they were putting bounties on our Troops. This is a close enough tangent for the Russia related stuff.

“Pentagon investigated suspected Russian directed-energy attacks on U.S. troops”

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...-troops-484150

[Felya]

I know this is a Trump thread, but since him and Russia are so interconnected and how he defended them even when it came out they were putting bounties on our Troops.

Biden’s admin is saying they can’t confirm the bounty scandal...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...admin-n1264215

[Fugus]

Biden’s admin is saying they can’t confirm the bounty scandal...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...admin-n1264215

Did not know that, thank you.

[Felya]

Did not know that, thank you.

I watch right wing media... so you don’t have to...

[Fugus]

I watch right wing media... so you don’t have to...

lol, this is my main source of news overall honestly, just too busy to go looking for myself recently with a bunch of stuff to do IRL. If you are watching their stuff, I feel for you sir. I used to go to the gym and they had CNN and Fox on 2 TVs side by side with the captions turned on. Was watching them while they went over the Mueller Report which I had actually went through. You can see how people watching it comes off dumber than someone who doesn't watch anything at all.

[Odinfrost]

lol, this is my main source of news overall honestly, just too busy to go looking for myself recently with a bunch of stuff to do IRL. If you are watching their stuff, I feel for you sir. I used to go to the gym and they had CNN and Fox on 2 TVs side by side with the captions turned on. Was watching them while they went over the Mueller Report which I had actually went through. You can see how people watching it comes off dumber than someone who doesn't watch anything at all.

I assume you adress the last part towards both channels? Or just Fox?

[Fugus]

I assume you adress the last part towards both channels? Or just Fox?

Just Fox.

While CNN may be biased as hell in what they cover and how they cover it, they are still classified as News and have a legal requirement to be honest and faces charges that actually stick if they don’t.

Fox isn’t News, they are Entertainment with no legal requirement for honesty, something they exploit massively lying to their viewers and leaving them less informed than before they watched.

Literally, someone who doesn’t watch the news at all and actively and honestly admitting they know nothing have proven that they are more informed than the Fox viewer who is worse than uninformed, they are misinformed leaving them knowing even less than nothing.


Edit: In regards to the Muller Report, I was watching CNN actually go over the subject matter in the report while Fox kept repeating that Mueller didn’t actually say he was guilty while glazing over the 2 pages where he spelled out in laser fine detail that he wasn’t allowed to call him guilty but the evidence prevented him from calling him innocent along with all the other meat of the report.

The CNN viewer was leaving more informed on the report while the Fox viewer was leaving dumber and more ignorant of the facts than they were before they started watching it.

[Odinfrost]

Just Fox.

While CNN may be biased as hell in what they cover and how they cover it, they are still classified as News and have a legal requirement to be honest and faces charges that actually stick if they don’t.

Fox isn’t News, they are Entertainment with no legal requirement for honesty, something they exploit massively lying to their viewers and leaving them less informed than before they watched.

Literally, someone who doesn’t watch the news at all and actively and honestly admitting they know nothing have proven that they are more informed than the Fox viewer who is worse than uninformed, they are misinformed leaving them knowing even less than nothing.


Edit: In regards to the Muller Report, I was watching CNN actually go over the subject matter in the report while Fox kept repeating that Mueller didn’t actually say he was guilty while glazing over the 2 pages where he spelled out in laser fine detail that he wasn’t allowed to call him guilty but the evidence prevented him from calling him innocent along with all the other meat of the report.

The CNN viewer was leaving more informed on the report while the Fox viewer was leaving dumber and more ignorant of the facts than they were before they started watching it.

Gotcha. And regarding the Fox isn't news thing... The courts should really force them to remove the News part of their name because of how misleading it is... Actually, how IS that legal?

But yeah, the whole Muller thing was honestly a mess from all sides. Fox (and other far right outlets) and Republican politicians just cited that "I'm not allowed to say he is guilty." line without the follow "but there is enough evidence that he cannot be called innocent".
Meanwhile the left outlets kept forgetting to hammer home the point that Muller effectively said Trump was guilty without calling him guilty, and the Democrats was reluctant to do anything like they always are...

[Fugus]

Gotcha. And regarding the Fox isn't news thing... The courts should really force them to remove the News part of their name because of how misleading it is... Actually, how IS that legal?

But yeah, the whole Muller thing was honestly a mess from all sides. Fox (and other far right outlets) and Republican politicians just cited that "I'm not allowed to say he is guilty." line without the follow "but there is enough evidence that he cannot be called innocent".
Meanwhile the left outlets kept forgetting to hammer home the point that Muller effectively said Trump was guilty without calling him guilty, and the Democrats was reluctant to do anything like they always are...

Wish they would regulate them as well. Force them to give verbal disclaimers at the start and end of each show that they aren’t news and nothing they say should be considered factual. They are news in about the way federal express is federal.

John Oliver has a bigger claim to news than they do as he actually goes out of his way to be honest and sources the hell out of his stuff.

As for how it’s legal, they don’t have news journalists or anchors giving news, they have commentators giving opinions which have zero requirements for honesty. They even argue this in court.

They didn’t even cite “I’m not allowed to say he is guilty” they twisted into Not Guilty and trying twisting into exoneration and the places in it that TRY to pretend to actually be news tried to frame anything they said in a way that didn’t contradict that as well.

The left was hammering what he did and calling him out but as news they couldn’t outright call him guilty either as the report wasn’t allowed to officially make that determination so if they tried to say it like that, they would face legal charges for it because the report didn’t officially make that determination.

But yeah, the Democrats are paper tigers at best who only pretend to want stuff when they lack the power too often and even fight within their own ranks to prevent those want the change from getting power. They have to be drug kicking and screaming to make the changes they will preach when they were talking.

[DarkTZeratul]

While CNN may be biased as hell in what they cover and how they cover it, they are still classified as News and have a legal requirement to be honest and faces charges that actually stick if they don’t.

Fox isn’t News, they are Entertainment with no legal requirement for honesty, something they exploit massively lying to their viewers and leaving them less informed than before they watched.

While Fox has used that argument for the likes of Tucker Carlson, I think what you're thinking of is this, and it isn't true:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fo...inment-switch/

"While the term “accredited news station” may sound official, no regulatory body even exists that would accredit Fox News (or CNN, MSNBC, etc.) as a “news” station."