Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Fugus]

Gotcha. And regarding the Fox isn't news thing... The courts should really force them to remove the News part of their name because of how misleading it is... Actually, how IS that legal?

But yeah, the whole Muller thing was honestly a mess from all sides. Fox (and other far right outlets) and Republican politicians just cited that "I'm not allowed to say he is guilty." line without the follow "but there is enough evidence that he cannot be called innocent".
Meanwhile the left outlets kept forgetting to hammer home the point that Muller effectively said Trump was guilty without calling him guilty, and the Democrats was reluctant to do anything like they always are...

Wish they would regulate them as well. Force them to give verbal disclaimers at the start and end of each show that they aren’t news and nothing they say should be considered factual. They are news in about the way federal express is federal.

John Oliver has a bigger claim to news than they do as he actually goes out of his way to be honest and sources the hell out of his stuff.

As for how it’s legal, they don’t have news journalists or anchors giving news, they have commentators giving opinions which have zero requirements for honesty. They even argue this in court.

They didn’t even cite “I’m not allowed to say he is guilty” they twisted into Not Guilty and trying twisting into exoneration and the places in it that TRY to pretend to actually be news tried to frame anything they said in a way that didn’t contradict that as well.

The left was hammering what he did and calling him out but as news they couldn’t outright call him guilty either as the report wasn’t allowed to officially make that determination so if they tried to say it like that, they would face legal charges for it because the report didn’t officially make that determination.

But yeah, the Democrats are paper tigers at best who only pretend to want stuff when they lack the power too often and even fight within their own ranks to prevent those want the change from getting power. They have to be drug kicking and screaming to make the changes they will preach when they were talking.

[DarkTZeratul]

While CNN may be biased as hell in what they cover and how they cover it, they are still classified as News and have a legal requirement to be honest and faces charges that actually stick if they don’t.

Fox isn’t News, they are Entertainment with no legal requirement for honesty, something they exploit massively lying to their viewers and leaving them less informed than before they watched.

While Fox has used that argument for the likes of Tucker Carlson, I think what you're thinking of is this, and it isn't true:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fo...inment-switch/

"While the term “accredited news station” may sound official, no regulatory body even exists that would accredit Fox News (or CNN, MSNBC, etc.) as a “news” station."

[Fugus]

While Fox has used that argument for the likes of Tucker Carlson, I think what you're thinking of is this, and it isn't true:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fo...inment-switch/

"While the term “accredited news station” may sound official, no regulatory body even exists that would accredit Fox News (or CNN, MSNBC, etc.) as a “news” station."

Wasn't really talking about that but interesting. I was talking about their actual shows.

They weren't classified as news, they were classified as new commentary which was entertainment.

[Fugus]

CNN has shows that aren’t really news either. Most news networks have commentary shows.

I personally don’t watch much TV and caught them because they were in front of me at the gym.

Question, when it comes to CNNs stuff that isn’t actually news, do they pretend they are or do they own up to it?

[Fugus]

I don’t think they put a disclaimer or anything, but they do a ton of talking head shit that’s in no way news. I don’t watch cable news for the most part, I read about news or catch a feed in another way.

Same here. This is actually one of my main spots recently with how RL keeps me busy most of the time. Great insights and lots of links to reputable sources and even pointing out problems with them.

[Benggaul]

Saturday's quick report:

53,280 new cases; 742 deaths, bringing the total to 585,880. This time there were 13 states that did not submit numbers. Wasn't it 11 or 12 last time? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Stay safe, folks.

[Breccia]

I think they're just reporting late

I'll give any state credit except Fuck Florida. They were caught lying about thousands of deaths.

[Benggaul]

I'll give any state credit except Fuck Florida. They were caught lying about thousands of deaths.

FYI, it's not late reporting. More states aren't reporting at all on Saturday. It used to be 5 that didn't, now that number has more than doubled.

From North Carolina's Dashboard:

Beginning Friday, March 26, 2021, the NC COVID-19 Dashboards will be published Monday through Friday.

Tennessee:

Coronavirus in Tennessee: State stops updating COVID-19 case numbers on weekends

New Mexico:

New Mexico halts weekend reporting of coronavirus cases

It's the same for some others, though I'm locked out of various Stateside websites since I'm looking in from the EU.

They're not reporting late; they're just not reporting. It's why I started listing Saturday's reports as just as useless as Sunday/Monday.

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Sunday's quick report:

34,736 new cases; 273 deaths, bringing the total to 586,152. 15 states did not report anything--I wonder how many of them are celebrating Confederate Memorial Day today...

Stay safe, folks.

[Breccia]

Roger Stone claims he was the attempted victim of a drone strike.

No, really. The Deep State that wants him dead so badly, managed to fake a gas pipe explosion near his location perfectly...but somehow missed with the drone, because apparently he can dodge more than questions and taxes.

[Kaleredar]

Roger Stone claims he was the attempted victim of a drone strike.

No, really. The Deep State that wants him dead so badly, managed to fake a gas pipe explosion near his location perfectly...but somehow missed with the drone, because apparently he can dodge more than questions and taxes.

And obviously a "covert drone strike" was easier to do than just... I dunno, just having some "insidious deepstate operative" shoot him or something?

[Howel]

And obviously a "covert drone strike" was easier to do than just... I dunno, just having some "insidious deepstate operative" shoot him or something?

Same reason that starting a forest fire, requiring a Jewish space laser, when a box of matches could have done it. It is go big or go home, if the deepstate was only using matches and handguns to get their way, they wouldn't be a particularly scary threat.

[Kaleredar]

Same reason that starting a forest fire, requiring a Jewish space laser, when a box of matches could have done it. It is go big or go home, if the deepstate was only using matches and handguns to get their way, they wouldn't be a particularly scary threat.

And also remember that they have to be both so insanely competent and insidious as to perpetrate these enormous, globe-spanning conspiracies and operate them with absolute secrecy and control and yet simultaneously so incompetent and fumbling that they can't stop these random yahoos from "spreading the truth."

So they're "strong and powerful enough" to execute a drone strike in secrecy on American soil against a "true patriot and enemy of the deep state" and yet so incompetent that their drone strike didn't succeed and they couldn't have just found a way easier way to kill him.

[Breccia]

There is an update in the lawsuit against FOX News and some of its hosts (like Dobbs and Pirro).

A lot of it is repeat news, basically them claiming "you can't prove we acted maliciously when we said something unproven and negative over and over, despite nobody else saying that". They're also claiming freedom of the press, which of course is funny after backing Trump who tried to throw reporters out of the White House, stopped giving press briefings, personally and directly attacked multiple news agencies including FOX News, and of course promised the most transparent administration ever which, being Trump, isn't even in the top ten most bullshit promise broken.

But.

These most recent filings under oath say "we can't be liable for quoting Trump, Powell or Giuliani because what they said is newsworthy".

(massive grin)

Good.

I can't wait to see these filings by FOX News brougth up in the defamation lawsuits against Trump, Powell and Giuliani. If FOX News is claiming it's the non-liable right for news to report what these people said, I want that introduced as evidence when they try to say "it was just a joke, we shouldn't be taken seriously".

I also like Pirro's defense "it was an opinion piece". In fact, I hope (somehow...) she finds and reads this.

*ahem*

In my opinion, FOX News contributor Jeanine Pirro knew what she was doing when she pushed unproven conspiracy theories as fact. In my opinion, she did so maliciously and with every intent to convey a negative "fact" without basis or evidence. In my opinion, she's trying to hide behind Trump's massive waddling bulk as a shield because she knows for a fact she's guilty. And in my opinion, she deserves to be not just sued but publicly shamed for being an insurrection-supporting cowardly bitch.

In my opinion.

You know where to find me.

[postman1782]

Cuckboy Tucker Carlson, went on his show, and compared a child wearing a mask to child abuse by beating them in a store. This dumb fuck, literally tells people to call the fucking cops if someone sees a child wearing a mask outdoors and that they should harass people into forcing their child to take the mask off.

This motherfucker is going to get someone killed. https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker...masks-outdoors

Though, I am sure his rhetoric has killed a lot of people over these years he has been at Fox News.

[Masark]

This motherfucker is going to get someone killed. https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker...masks-outdoors

Though, I am sure his rhetoric has killed a lot of people over these years he has been at Fox News.

That's par for the course at fox.

[Polyxo]

That's par for the course at fox.

Also the Knoxville shooting.

[Breccia]

This motherfucker is going to get someone killed.

You could make the argument he already has. We've talked about Richard Rose before. If you forgot, well good for you, but he was the anti-mask advocate who died of COVID. In fact, the most recent stories on the topic are random assholes (like me) commenting on his public social media posts after his death, and his friends and family objecting to this. As if his death somehow undoes his public advocation of a reckless lifestyle which would eventually kill him. Live by the sword, people.

[Edge-]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/mee...s-nbc-n1265457

Out of office, off of Twitter, still complaining about the election results — the last 100 days or so haven’t been kind to Donald Trump, our new national NBC News poll finds.

His ratings among all adults stands at 32 percent favorable, 55 percent unfavorable, which is down from his rating in January (40 percent favorable, 53 percent unfavorable among registered voters), as well as where he was in the poll right before the election (43 percent favorable, 52 percent unfavorable among registered voters).

By comparison, President Biden’s current favorable/unfavorable stands at 50 percent positive, 36 percent negative.

Even Trump’s pull within his own party appears to have lessened, with 44 percent of Republicans saying they’re more supporters of Trump than the GOP, versus 50 percent who say they’re more supporters of the GOP than the former president.

Interesting seeing how quickly things are changing. Without the constant spotlight, Trump's support is fading. I'm pleasantly surprised to see more people at least saying they support the party over the individual, too. Still far too many cultish, extremist followers, but it's amusing seeing that no, nobody actually does seem to miss Trump now that he's gone. And many of us wish we'd never see him again, as he promised would happen if he lost.

[Fugus]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/mee...s-nbc-n1265457



Interesting seeing how quickly things are changing. Without the constant spotlight, Trump's support is fading. I'm pleasantly surprised to see more people at least saying they support the party over the individual, too. Still far too many cultish, extremist followers, but it's amusing seeing that no, nobody actually does seem to miss Trump now that he's gone. And many of us wish we'd never see him again, as he promised would happen if he lost.

Can’t help but notice how close Biden’s unfavorable is to Trumps favorables. It’s almost like the majority of those who find him unfavorable only do so because he isn’t Trump.

[Benggaul]

Monday's quick report:

47,456 new cases; 455 deaths, bringing the total to 586,611. The numbers are better than last Monday by a bit. Hopefully the rest of the week continues in that vein.

Stay safe, folks.