Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Benggaul]

Real world data shows said "edge" doesn't actually exist, as shown by the exactly zero transgender athletes who have even qualified for the Olympics, much less set records, in the decade and a half they have been allowed.

I mean, I keep trying to get off the derailment (and forbidden topic?), but this isn't exactly true if you want to broaden it past the Olympics--which aren't the only sports.

Trans women retain athletic edge after a year of hormone therapy, study finds

As I said before, I'm struggling to figure out where I fall on this one. It's really not as cut-and-dry an issue as some people are making it out to be. Sure, they can institute a longer ban until the hormone therapy kicks in but that's over a year of keeping an athlete in their prime out of the game(s). Hopefully better, faster therapies can be developed to cut that period down.

[Felya]

The part about Trans in sports based on the gender they want to identify with is one I hate to say it but I have to agree with them for a valid reason.

I would agree with you, if all major leagues, didn’t already set boundaries on things like testosterone, through HGH testing. They set the top bar for what is with the rules, there is no reason it can’t set a base as well. We are already there, just need to apply it in a different way.

Damn... sports knowledge... useful... noice...

[Themius]

I mean, I keep trying to get off the derailment (and forbidden topic?), but this isn't exactly true if you want to broaden it past the Olympics--which aren't the only sports.

Trans women retain athletic edge after a year of hormone therapy, study finds

As I said before, I'm struggling to figure out where I fall on this one. It's really not as cut-and-dry an issue as some people are making it out to be. Sure, they can institute a longer ban until the hormone therapy kicks in but that's over a year of keeping an athlete in their prime out of the game(s). Hopefully better, faster therapies can be developed to cut that period down.

If this were such a huge thing as people make it out to be then you'd expect to see transwomen always at the top... yet they aren't as there are tons of CIS women ahead.

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While I disagree with most of the Republican stuff as they aren’t based in reality. The part about Trans in sports based on the gender they want to identify with is one I hate to say it but I have to agree with them for a valid reason.

The person may identify as a girl but anatomically they were a boy for however long and even if they had the surgery, their hormones are still going to say otherwise even with the medication.

She may identify as a woman, but she would be a woman with the equivalent of decades of steroids in their veins from being anatomically a boy with all the added muscle mass and denser bone structure to go with it.

It just goes against all sense of fairness in such a situation. Their medical situation prevents them from fairly competing in those events.

Edit: And banning the treatment would be to ban the reassignment surgery itself which is something we don’t want to go either.

Yet Transwomen aren't usually in the top of their field.

[Tazkar]

People are also kind of forgetting that, Transwomen are a small percentage of the population, Transwomen that want to also be athletes are an even smaller percentage. The worry about them suddenly just destroying womens sports is extremely silly because of that fact alone.

[Edge-]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/worke...b04620270cc692

"Hey unemployed Montanans. Fuck you. No, seriously. Fuck you." At least that's what Greg Gianforte is telling you.

Apparently y'all are getting lazy suckling at the teet of the federal government so he's ending the additional $300/month benefit on June 27 ahead of the actual September end.

Apparently with unemployment low, they need to hurt people to get them back to shitty jobs and off their lazy asses.

I have nothing positive to say here, Greg Gianforte is a ghoul who body slammed a reporter for asking him a question and was subsequently elected to Congress to represent Montana and went on to be their governor.

If you're in Montana and you're mad your added unemployment benefits will end early and you voted for Greg Gianforte for Congress or governor, you deserve this.

[Felya]

No Trump on Facebook... it has been decided...

[ghotihook]

No Trump on Facebook... it has been decided...

Did he actually use FB? I only remember seeing his stuff on Twitter.

[Felya]

Did he actually use FB? I only remember seeing his stuff on Twitter.

I don’t know... but, it’s a big hoopla that he is confirmed banned.

[Shadowferal]

Yup...Trump be permabanned

Facebook's ban on former President Trump’s account will continue following a decision issued by its independent oversight board Wednesday.

"The Board found that, in maintaining an unfounded narrative of electoral fraud and persistent calls to action, Mr. Trump created an environment where a serious risk of violence was possible," the board wrote in a statement.

The panel is requesting that Facebook review the decision to develop a "proportionate response that is consistent with the rules that are applied to other users of its platform."

Trump has been suspended from the platform since earlier this year on the basis of posts made surrounding the deadly insurrection at the Capitol on Jan. 6.

The board’s ruling is binding, and Facebook has seven days to enforce it.

The decision will leave Trump with limited ways to reach the public in the same way he did while president.

Trump has been issuing statements to the press via email, and while many of them have been shared on social media widely, his reach and dominance over news cycles has clearly diminished.

Unlike Facebook’s delayed decision on whether to reinstate Trump’s accounts, other social media platforms including Twitter permanently banned his account shortly after the posts about the insurrection.

“Obviously Donald Trump has violated Facebook’s terms of service repeatedly, incited hate, spread disinformation, fomented violence and been used as a model for other authoritarian leaders to abuse Facebook. He should be banned forever,” the group said in a statement before the ruling was issued.

“But do not let Facebook’s Oversight Board distract from the need to ensure real accountability for hate speech, election lies, disinformation and other harmful content," they continued.

[ghotihook]

If this were such a huge thing as people make it out to be then you'd expect to see transwomen always at the top... yet they aren't as there are tons of CIS women ahead.

Yet Transwomen aren't usually in the top of their field.

While the numbers of transwomen is incredibly tiny, the number of transwomen athletes are spectacularly low. It still isn't fair. There have been many tests that trans women have an advantage over natural women.
I ran Track and Field in high school. Even with my mediocre times, if I decided to transition to a woman I would have been able to receive a full athletic scholarship to any school I wanted. I would also hold the current State high school womans track record for 800M

Hell if I trained harder, I might have even qualified for the Olympics as a woman.

[Pannonian]

While the numbers of transwomen is incredibly tiny, the number of transwomen athletes are spectacularly low. It still isn't fair. There have been many tests that trans women had an advantage over natural women.
I ran Track and Field in high school. Even with my mediocre times, if I decided to transition to a woman I would have been able to receive a full athletic scholarship to any school I wanted. I would also hold the current State high school womans track record for 800M

Hell if I trained harder, I might have even qualified for the Olympics as a woman.

So because of a theoretical problem you would ban all youths that are in hard situation anyways from playing with their friends in school?

Please show an actual problem before you bring this culture war to every classroom. Trans youths are already ostracized enough. No need to also ban them from hobbies because someday the olympics might need new rules.

Honestly. I'd trash the olympic games if it was either that or treating trans youths as actual humans beings. But probably that are only MY priorities.

Edit: but you're aware that this whole "argument" is a strawman anyways. The conservatives are not concerned about fairness in sports. They just want to impose their way of life according to THEIR rules. Bringing up sports is only an argument to not have to say out loud that they hate trans people and would like to remove them. Nice work, carrying their water and their "arguments".

[Felya]

Yup...Trump be permabanned[i]

His new social media platform, being just a site he posts messages to... would be embarrassing to anyone who understands social media. Which means every CJW (Culture Justice Warrior) will flock to Trump’s “free speech” “platform”...

Edit: I like the CJW term, the more I think about it... instead of having to talk about Lola Bunny boobs or Dr Susse or She’ra boobs or forbidden topics... we can just write them off as CJW, to completely disregard their concerns.

It also defines a battle field, by defining both combatants... SJW vs CJW...

[Shadowferal]

Honestly. I'd trash the olympic games if it was either that or treating trans youths as actual humans beings. But probably that are only MY priorities.

If you're at that point then every competitive sport should be banned. Because if I'm picking players for a girls team, big strong and fast is my criteria.

[Pannonian]

If you're at that point then every competitive sport should be banned. Because if I'm picking players for a girls team, big strong and fast is my criteria.

Ok... lets go into the argument... Sure, men have generally speaking more muscle mass than women and are bigger. GENERALLY SPEAKING. This whole arguments hinges on the notion that current athletes are somehow "normal" people, but they aren't. ANy kind of athlete that trains in their field is not a typical member of either gender. So the whole argument is kinda silly.

But sure, if it turns out to become a problem, then maybe we need new rules when it comes to competitions or even scholar ships, but until then it is solely used to dehumanize trans persons.

And again, i don't think for one minute that people pushing bathroom bills are in any way concerned about sports, but are just sick fucks who like to dehumanize others because they're different.

So let me ask you the question: Are you okay to ban trans youths from any school sports, because it COULD somehow impact your favourite sports competition? Because that's what's happening.

This whole sports argument is just a nice way to get normal thinking people on board "yeah, sounds reasonable" because the actual reason for these legislature is just plain evil and wont sell as well.

[ati87]

While the numbers of transwomen is incredibly tiny, the number of transwomen athletes are spectacularly low. It still isn't fair. There have been many tests that trans women have an advantage over natural women.
I ran Track and Field in high school. Even with my mediocre times, if I decided to transition to a woman I would have been able to receive a full athletic scholarship to any school I wanted. I would also hold the current State high school womans track record for 800M

Hell if I trained harder, I might have even qualified for the Olympics as a woman.

Dude, what do you think you are doing when undergoing this live changing event? Because it sounds like your assuming it's just a name change and buying new cloths, this isn't South Park where you visit a doctor during a afternoon and visiting him again a few years later but this time with a rat.

No guy will dress as a girl and undergo this entire procedure just to be a "top athletic" that's not a thing.

Hell if I trained harder, I might have even qualified for the Olympics as a woman.

No you wouldn't.

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Did he actually use FB? I only remember seeing his stuff on Twitter.

Probably his campaign spreading fake news.

[Noxx79]

While the numbers of transwomen is incredibly tiny, the number of transwomen athletes are spectacularly low. It still isn't fair. There have been many tests that trans women have an advantage over natural women.
I ran Track and Field in high school. Even with my mediocre times, if I decided to transition to a woman I would have been able to receive a full athletic scholarship to any school I wanted. I would also hold the current State high school womans track record for 800M

Hell if I trained harder, I might have even qualified for the Olympics as a woman.

Go ahead and transition to a woman then. What? You won’t? Because it’s a complicated process that involves lots of medical therapy, both with drugs and psychologically? Gee, it’s almost as if transition to a woman so you can win a high school track meet isn’t worth the trouble.

Are you in favor of banning aliens from sports as well? They may have an unfair advantage.

[solinari6]

While the numbers of transwomen is incredibly tiny, the number of transwomen athletes are spectacularly low. It still isn't fair. There have been many tests that trans women have an advantage over natural women.
I ran Track and Field in high school. Even with my mediocre times, if I decided to transition to a woman I would have been able to receive a full athletic scholarship to any school I wanted. I would also hold the current State high school womans track record for 800M

Hell if I trained harder, I might have even qualified for the Olympics as a woman.

Why is the solution to always ban transgender women from sports and not something simpler like banning them from scholarships? I mean, to me, it's still a shitty move, but at least the girls would still be able to play sports in school.

[ghotihook]

No you wouldn't.

My high school best 800M was 2:01, the Rio 2016 qualifying standards was 2:01:50. I was quite lazy with my training and I am sure I could have gone sub 2.
USA automatic qualifying is 2:02.50
And that's automatic qualifying, the USA time trials are MUCH slower.

[bladeXcrasher]

No Trump on Facebook... it has been decided...

Not entirely true.

The board told them they have no rules in place for an indefinite suspension. So FB needs to designate a suspension length or permanently disable the account which would then go back to the board for re-evaluation.

[s_bushido]

I don't know if comparing trans women to aliens is the best defense my man...

Aliens coming down to compete in hooman sporting events is about as likely as someone pretending to be trans to get an advantage.