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    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    watch the bill maher segment im referring to https://twitter.com/billmaher/status...18517258645505
    literally wants us to think the qanon cultist that got shot for threatening the continuity of government was just a down on their luck working person and its woke californias fault because she was raddled with debt. whatever happened to the party of personal responsibility?
    There's a fair amount of truth in what Maher is saying there.

    Economic woes are the source of many (or even most) of any society's social and political ills. The conditions that allowed the Nazis to rise were largely economic, for example. When people are desperate due to hardship, they're far more open to radicalization and wrecking-ball type solutions. The US badly needs to address the underlying economic problems that are impacting the middle-and-below classes, but if history is any guide, neither party is going to take that on.
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    Oh man, I wish this would have came out earlier. A perfect example of Pot meet Kettle. I think Trump was projecting here.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp

    The Trump letter his lawyers said should never see 'light of day'

    “Your conduct has grown unpredictable and even erratic – including rambling and self-indulgent public performances that have baffled experts, citizens and law enforcement professionals alike – making it impossible for you to effectively lead this agency,” Trump wrote to Comey.

    The letter then chastised Comey for "spen[ding] too much time cultivating a public image, and not enough time getting your own house in order.”

    Almost half of the letter focused on Comey's handling of the investigation into then-presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server, including Comey's testimony to Congress days earlier defending his decision to publicly announce a year before that Clinton had been "extremely careless" with classified information but should not face charges.

    That testimony was “another media circus full of unprofessional conjecture, bizarre legal theories, and irresponsible speculation,” Trump's letter stated.

    The letter falsely insisted that Comey's "strange legal decisions and contradictory public statements" had "sowed confusion" and inspired "a near-rebellion by many rank-and-file agents" within the FBI.

    “You’ve shown a total inability to control leaks, both within and outside the agency. As a result, intelligence -- real and fake – has been weaponized into an instrument of partisan warfare," the letter said.

    Still, in the letter, Trump told Comey that his "actions and decisions" reflect "a total lack of judgment and have left our country deeply divided and rightfully angry.”

    “America needs an FBI director who inspires confidence across all layers of government, and who the public believes to be fair, impartial and beyond reproach,” Trump concluded.

    “You have lost the confidence of the skilled professionals in your command, the congressional lawmakers with whom you work, and the general public whom you serve,” the president added.
    This part says it best. Oh the irony.

    Nearly four years later, Trump is now the one leaving office, accused of mismanaging the U.S. government's response to a deadly, global pandemic, and impeached -- for the second time -- for allegedly inciting a violent mob to storm the U.S. Capitol with unfounded claims that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from him.

    Trump has defended his actions and rhetoric, calling his second impeachment "a continuation of the greatest witch hunt in the history of politics."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Danger Will Robinson!!!!
    Why did you have to remind me of that piece of shit series... The whole thing was ruined by that "doctor" character.

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    No one can be surprised by the doctor pardon. Look at Rick Scott and where he is today and how he has his seat next to Trump.

    Twinsies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I want you to think back over the last four years at every single time you said, wrote, or thought that statement.

    What's your batting average?

    Trump believes he won't face any consequences for all the damage he did to his country, his party, and the general concept of democracy. The Senate won't vote to impeach before Jan 20th and might not even convict. So, he might be right. There is also no criminal statute that I can think of -- @cubby help? -- that would let Trump be prosecuted for issuing pardons to his co-conspirators.

    It's honestly not even all that stupid. I mean, look at the last four years. What's the GOP going to do? If they were going to take steps against his swamp-dwelling deplorable actions they had four years of chances. Remember when he blackmailed a country for dirt on a political rival, got caught, and they didn't care? Remember when he used said dirt and he was applauded for it?
    Trump pardoning his coconspirators is just one of a dozen problems that Trump has raised that need resolution. But as of now, yeah, they are scot-free and Trump is without penalty for those actions.

    The GOP is still morally corrupt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drutt View Post
    There's a fair amount of truth in what Maher is saying there.

    Economic woes are the source of many (or even most) of any society's social and political ills. The conditions that allowed the Nazis to rise were largely economic, for example. When people are desperate due to hardship, they're far more open to radicalization and wrecking-ball type solutions. The US badly needs to address the underlying economic problems that are impacting the middle-and-below classes, but if history is any guide, neither party is going to take that on.
    The problem is: when Obama made attempts at the beginning of his term, voters punished him badly in House, Senate, and State elections.
    When Hillary talked about doing things to make things better, voters called her cold and lied "BUT HER EMAILS" and voted for Trump.

    As recently as 2020, voters worked hard to make sure the republicans would be able to block any attempts by democrats to pass through any help. It took lots of Trump mishaps in the Georgia runoffs to even get 50 democratic Senators, otherwise the ability to get anything through would be zero.

    Every time that democrats successfully pass anything that helps the middle-and-below classes, voters severely punish them by moving to the right and blaming the democrats for being evil horrible socialists. In the big stimulus package that Congress passed early last year, the most talked about problem that was complained about was the $600 a week unemployment bonus. That was discussed a LOT with middle-and-below class people angry that people that got these benefits got so much money (for some, more than they would make if they were working). Yet Corporations took MUCH more money than what unemployed people got with little complaint.

    When middle-and-below class people decide that it's ok for them to get help from the government, it will happen. Right now people get very upset at even the thought of this happening.

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    In the ongoing effort to prove they're the party of Law and Order, Trump supporters set fire to Washington DC and the Capitol immediately goes into lockdown.

    This is terrorism. This is textbook terrorism. Trump supporters, this is your fault. You enabled this. You wanted this. At least some Republicans like @Skroe bailed when they saw what was going on. Anyone who didn't is now part of a terrorist cult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    In the ongoing effort to prove they're the party of Law and Order, Trump supporters set fire to Washington DC and the Capitol immediately goes into lockdown.

    This is terrorism. This is textbook terrorism. Trump supporters, this is your fault. You enabled this. You wanted this. At least some Republicans like @Skroe bailed when they saw what was going on. Anyone who didn't is now part of a terrorist cult.
    This does not appear to be started by Trumpster,it was in a homeless encampment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    This does not appear to be started by Trumpster,it was in a homeless encampment.
    I'll wait. The odds are in my favor at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    he most likely will pardon the domestic terrorists at capitol hill.
    Doubtful. He has definitely been told those pardons would be used against him in court.

    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    There is also no criminal statute that I can think of -- @cubby help? -- that would let Trump be prosecuted for issuing pardons to his co-conspirators.
    It'd be evidence for his support of 1/6.

    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Considering he's been collecting money from those asking for pardons, the silver lining is that there's a high chance the pardons can be judged as corrupt and dismissed.
    AFAIK, the pardons would stand. There's no provision anywhere that says they wouldn't.
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    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I'll wait. The odds are in my favor at this point.
    From the news article that you linked, it says this.

    A law enforcement official told NBC News that what turned out to be a fire at a homeless encampment prompted the security alert.
    Granted, it could have been a misdirection but until further information comes out, this is what I'm going by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    Well, Trump finally came through for infrastructure week. He is building a garden with a whole mess of statues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Granted, it could have been a misdirection but until further information comes out, this is what I'm going by.
    That's fair. I'm sticking with my conclusion -- there's clearly enough evidence to support "Trump supporters set fire to homeless camp just to start some shit" is a reasonable one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    this list is an adventure
    This list is a distraction. Trump doesn't get to weasel his way out of "slightly more popular than Nixon" by suddenly creating a national park with 24 hours left to "live".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    That's fair. I'm sticking with my conclusion -- there's clearly enough evidence to support "Trump supporters set fire to homeless camp just to start some shit" is a reasonable one.

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    This list is a distraction. Trump doesn't get to weasel his way out of "slightly more popular than Nixon" by suddenly creating a national park with 24 hours left to "live".
    Honestly, I don't believe for a second he made that list though. Not enough modern day celebrities and doesn't have him in it either. Everybody knows damn well that he would have a huge statue of himself front and center.

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    Capitol riot exposed flaws of Trump's DHS, focused on immigration and not extremists, ex-officials say

    And then an angry mob of white supremacists stormed the Capitol building. True story!

    "They tend to be younger, with not as much experience. They don't have the incidents under their belts to know the proper protocols. So many protocols were not followed" on Jan. 6, said Elizabeth Neumann, who was deputy chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security, or DHS, until April.

    Instead, as armed rioters overtook police and moved into the Capitol, armed agents from DHS, an agency expressly designed to prevent another terrorist incident like the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, stood inside a nearby building waiting for a command to deploy that never came. There is also no indication that DHS shared any intelligence with its state and local partners or with U.S. Capitol Police before Jan. 6 that would have indicated that the protests could turn into a riot.

    DHS also failed to designate the day of President Donald Trump's rally in Washington as a National Special Security Event, as it has now done with the week leading up to President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration Wednesday. If it had done so, on Jan. 6 the Secret Service would have been able to coordinate with the National Guard and DHS' law enforcement agencies, including the Transportation Security Administration, Customs and Border Protection and Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

    But it was the four years of inadequately monitoring and communicating the rising threat of right-wing domestic extremists that ultimately led to DHS' failure to prevent the events at the Capitol, the former DHS officials said.
    Normally we'd ask sarcastically "Gee, why would Trump try to redirect attention away from alt-right terrorists?" But that stopped being funny when Trump personally incited a murderous insurrection.

    Trump is a national security risk. For about 46 more hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Honestly, I don't believe for a second he made that list though
    I agree with you on every name...except one.

    I believe he insisted Andrew Jackson be on it. Honestly, that's a sign of progress -- he actually read something shoved under his tiny hands before grabbing a Sharpie to sign it.

    Too little, too late, wrong reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    This list is a distraction. Trump doesn't get to weasel his way out of "slightly more popular than Nixon" by suddenly creating a national park with 24 hours left to "live".
    Trump's entire Residency has been a distraction. Apparently there are about 100 pardons that came out today - which we've already seen reported. However, people still close to him (both of them) are saying that many more people that might have been on that list will not be, including himself and family members. We'll see as there is still about 48 hours to go.

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    At least I only see Union generals on that list, if there are Confederates I missed them.
    /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Why did you have to remind me of that piece of shit series... The whole thing was ruined by that "doctor" character.
    I can’t control what pops into my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    Elvis... this motherfucker... wants a statue of Elvis... okay...
    As above, so below.
    Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
    The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
    My body is a wonderland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post


    Elvis... this motherfucker... wants a statue of Elvis... okay...
    hannah arendt is a bit on the fucking nose lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    reported. However, people still close to him (both of them)
    HAHAHAHAHAHA *deep breath* MUAHAHAHAHA

    He has 45 hours and change to pardon his family members and himself -- possibly at 11:59 from Florida. Stop assuming Trump will do the right thing for once in his fat, fatass, fat, obese miserable life.

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