Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Shadowferal]

With what, their bare hands? Meth overdose? Laughing to death at a dude in fur and horns calling himself a shaman?

The dead cops aren't laughing at you.

I should think if they reached the point of injuring Pence (one if their targets) this conversation would be different...or would it?

[PhaelixWW]

Oh, you think they didn't have weapons? There were literally dozens arrested with weapons charges. They had bombs, homemade napalm, guns with thousands of rounds of ammunition, bear spray, tazers and zip-tie cuffs, and not to mention the fucking GALLOWS they erected on the fucking steps.

The rest of the list is legit, but let's not do that thing where we pretend that the gallows they built was anything other than a prop. It was hardly a weapon.

Though I'd add "a plan" to that list, which is far more dangerous than that rickety-ass hunk-o-junk.

[Breccia]

if Dems win in 2022, GOP is dead.

No.

Racism is still alive and cross-burning in America.

Populism is still chanting TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP in America.

The rich are still telling their exploited poverty workers "that illegal immigrant wants your job" in America.

You don't kill the weed by trimming off its exposed leaves. You rip out the root and, if possible, burn it.

Now I know where you're going with the sentiment and I agree that a loss in 2022, especially if the GOP tries "Trump won the election, rigged, vote for me bigly" and literally nothing else, while Biden and the Democrats have "by the way, GDP jobs healthcare and wages are all up...again". What used to be a Grand Old Party featuring smaller government and personal responsiblity can't recover while they still need Trump to keep their numbers over 40%. That need must be purged. The best thing that could possibly happen to Republicans right now is not Biden failing, but Trump being (somehow...) proven objectively even more reprehensible than we've seen him to be, because that wasn't enough. I keep going back to "Melania had an abortion" because I can't think of anything else that could suddenly show up. Being thrown in prison for not paying taxes might eventually do it, what few classic Republicans stil remain could say "well look, he didn't do his civic duty and he was stealing from you".

2022? Um...I don't think so.

2024? There's enough time for multiple guilty findings by them. Or Deutsche Bank taking all their money back, which would emasculate him into seclusion. Or, he could die of gross obesity. The Republican Party should hope this happens, because otherwise, Trump continues to take their money and keep it for himself, while turning slam-dunk successes into failures.

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"Edge, why are you posting about a Democrat winning an election in the Trump thread?!"

SHUT UP I AM GETTING TO IT

Oh lord :P

[postman1782]

The rest of the list is legit, but let's not do that thing where we pretend that the gallows they built was anything other than a prop. It was hardly a weapon.

Though I'd add "a plan" to that list, which is far more dangerous than that rickety-ass hunk-o-junk.

Even then, they were screaming to literally hang Mike Pence because he wouldn't break the constitution to install Trump as a dictator.

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The rest of the list is legit, but let's not do that thing where we pretend that the gallows they built was anything other than a prop. It was hardly a weapon.

Though I'd add "a plan" to that list, which is far more dangerous than that rickety-ass hunk-o-junk.

Yeah, there are 16 Oathkeepers that are now looking for plea deals soon to not be stuck in prison for the rest of their natural lives.

[Nastard]

With what, their bare hands?

I concur! In the history of the world, no one has ever been beaten to death. Not one person in all the 5,000 years we've been here. Can you imagine such a thing? Someone being repeatedly punched and kicked so hard that their brain swells and they die from it? Preposterous. Human skulls are stronger than hands after all. If 1 person can't do it then I'm 100% certain thousands of angry people couldn't do it either.

Now if we're talking MASKS doing the killing, then yeah of course everyone knows if you put a breathable piece of fabric over your mouth you'll die from carbon dioxide poisoning.

[Breccia]

So Pence finally speaks out about the Jan 6 murderous insurrection, of which he was a target by Trump supporters demanding he be hanged.

As I said that day, Jan. 6 is a dark day in the history of the United States Capitol. But thanks to the swift action fo the Capitol Police and federal law enforcement, violence was quelled. The capitol was secured. And that same day, we reconvened the Congress and did our duty under the constitution and the laws of the United States.

You know, President Trump and I have spoken many times since we left office. And I don't know if we'll ever see eye to eye on that day. But I will always be proud of what we accomplished for the American people over the last four years

I think we can safely replace Cruz in role of Most Cucked. Cruz, spineless flacid coward that he is, only had his family mocked and supported Trump in everything he did. Pence, after being VP and relegated to House Plant, had Trump supporters form a mob to murder him...and still won't condemn Trump. Perhaps when Pence said he couldn't see "eye to eye" it was a metaphor for the blindfold given to firing squad victims.

[Edge-]

Oh lord :P

I enjoy the style, it lets you tell a story. So I shamelessly steal it sometimes. Don't @ me.

[Dontrike]

So Pence finally speaks out about the Jan 6 murderous insurrection, of which he was a target by Trump supporters demanding he be hanged.



I think we can safely replace Cruz in role of Most Cucked. Cruz, spineless flacid coward that he is, only had his family mocked and supported Trump in everything he did. Pence, after being VP and relegated to House Plant, had Trump supporters form a mob to murder him...and still won't condemn Trump. Perhaps when Pence said he couldn't see "eye to eye" it was a metaphor for the blindfold given to firing squad victims.

Now if only he could list all of those accomplishments. It's almost amazing he easy he was able to boil down what happened as a "dark day" and a "disagreement" between him and Trump.

[Kaleredar]

Y'all know that special election that Melanie Stansbury just won in NM?

"Edge, why are you posting about a Democrat winning an election in the Trump thread?!"

SHUT UP I AM GETTING TO IT

https://twitter.com/fbihop/status/1400504615330750467



I didn't even need to add my own emphasis, Matthew Reichbach did it for me. Republicans own voter fraud conspiracy theories seem to be hurting them more than Democrats in the short-term.

I like how he had to add in that "democrats didn't show up to vote either because obviously this congressperson's radical leftist ideals were alienating to the New Mexican people... but more of them showed up than Republicans" to try and denigrate that democrat victory.

[Nastard]

I think we can safely replace Cruz in role of Most Cucked. Cruz, spineless flacid coward that he is, only had his family mocked and supported Trump in everything he did. Pence, after being VP and relegated to House Plant, had Trump supporters form a mob to murder him...and still won't condemn Trump. Perhaps when Pence said he couldn't see "eye to eye" it was a metaphor for the blindfold given to firing squad victims.

Shit man, he was almost murdered for merely doing his constitutional duty. You think he's going to risk the safety of his family for literally the rest of their lives by condemning Trump? For what gain? Democrats already hate him, and Republicans would call him a traitor and hate him too. It wouldn't influence anyone and ruin his life. I think he's a cowardly piece of crap too but I can't entirely blame him for not wearing a hot dog suit and jumping into a tiger cage.

[Gorsameth]

If their followers and supporters routinely believe the kinds of stupid, delusional, conspiratorial ravings of a man like Trump, what incentive do these politicians have for ever actually telling the truth?

You don't. And that is in a way the real legacy of Trump.

Republicans thought they had to keep up the act, that they had to use the dog whistle.
Trump showed them that it all doesn't matter and you can actually say those stupid things and your supporters will love you even more for it.

As for those saying to keep making them lose to show its bad. In the middle of a complete failure of a pandemic Trump came within a couple of thousand votes in the right places of winning. Sure looking at the national picture it was a big victory, but that's not how the election system works in the US.

[Lenonis]

With what, their bare hands? Meth overdose? Laughing to death at a dude in fur and horns calling himself a shaman?

People died that day. Dozens were injured. You are gross.

[Breccia]

I can't entirely blame him for not wearing a hot dog suit and jumping into a tiger cage.

...you know he left the zoo, right? Pence is effectively out of politics.

Oh, and saying "speaking against Trump would put him at risk" then, well golly gosh, I think we've found the problem. But we both know that's not it. I've pointed out on multiple occassions classic Republicans who have rebuffed or condemned Trump, when they're out of politics. There's neither sign that Pence is returning nor a logical path for him to do so. And Trump has already attacked him. Here's an example from May 5. Trump blames Pence for losing (yes, yes, Trump blames everyone but Trump for Trump losing) and has said so, openly, publicly, repeatedly.

And Pence still stands by him.

And what kind of argument is "he might be in danger" after Trump sent a murderous mob after him?

Maybe I misread you, but at first glance, that post reads like a mix of "snitches get stitches" and "don't dress sexy if you don't want to get groped". If I misread you, sorry, if I didn't, fuck that attitude.

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So I've cited a NYTimes reporter multiple times occasions now who says "Trump is demanding conservative writers continue pushing conspiracy theories about stolen elections".

With that in mind, I read this piece

I can attest, from speaking to an array of different sources, that Donald Trump does indeed believe quite genuinely that he — along with former senators David Perdue and Martha McSally — will be “reinstated” to office this summer after “audits” of the 2020 elections in Arizona, Georgia, and a handful of other states have been completed. I can attest, too, that Trump is trying hard to recruit journalists, politicians, and other influential figures to promulgate this belief — not as a fundraising tool or an infantile bit of trolling or a trial balloon, but as a fact.

"Ah, she published another piece on the same topic?"

No, that's a second writer.

"WaPo, CNN?"

The National Review.

"...oh."

Yeah. The piece reads like a classic Republican who doesn't particularly care for Kool-Aid:

Just how far out there is Trump’s theory? Consider that, even if it were true that the 2020 election had been stolen — which it is absolutely not — his belief would still be absurd. It could be confirmed tomorrow that agents working for a combination of al-Qaeda, Venezuela, and George Soros had hacked into every single voting machine in the country and altered the totals by tens of millions, and it would remain the case there is no mechanism within the American legal order for a do-over of any sort. In such an eventuality, there would be indictments, an impeachment drive, and a constitutional crisis. But, however bad it got, Donald Trump would not be “reinstated” to the presidency. That is not how America works, how America has ever worked, or how America can ever work. American politicians do not lose their reelection races only to be reinstalled later on, as might the second-place horse in a race whose winner was disqualified. The idea is otherworldly and obscene.

There is nothing to be gained for conservatism by pretending otherwise. To acknowledge that Trump is living in a fantasy world does not wipe out his achievements or render anything else he has said incorrect. It does not endorse Joe Biden or hand the Republican Party over to Bill Kristol or knock down an inch of the wall on the border. It merely demands that Donald Trump be treated like any other person: subject to gravity, open to rebuttal, and liable to be laughed at when he becomes so unmoored from the real world that it is hard to know where to begin in attempting to explain him.

The author also makes it clear he thinks Russia didn't get involved in 2016, which...okay, disagree, but he still wrote the above.

Hey @Nastard want to warn the author that he put his life and his family's life in danger? Maybe ask him not to dress like a slut?

[Ripster42]

Hey @Nastard want to warn the author that he put his life and his family's life in danger? Maybe ask him not to dress like a slut?

He's not asking pence to "not dress like a slut." The guy essentially said they understand pence not wanting to draw the violent attentions of the lunatics that fawn over trump. Using your analogy: the former victim is wearing baggy clothes because they've internalized it and thinks that will stop another rape from happening. The person isn't telling pence to wear baggy clothes; they're just acknowledging that he is. This person is saying they understand wearing baggy clothes and doesn't blame them for it. The poster isn't excusing the actions of violent dickheads, just acknowledging that a person who lived through jan 6, with the crowd chanting for his death, might be traumatized.

For real though, that was a terrible analogy to use.

[Kaleredar]

With what, their bare hands? Meth overdose? Laughing to death at a dude in fur and horns calling himself a shaman?

So are you maintaining that no people died on january 6th, or...?

[Katchii]

A sense of honesty, integrity, decency, morality, ethics...I dunno, I legit would have serious problems lying this brazenly in public, especially in a position of authority like that.

I guess this is why I could never be a Republican : /

All of this coupled with how openly and consistently they say they're Christian, clutching at pearls because of the morals and beliefs that come with bring Christian. Apparently being a lying, hypocritical, piece of shit is considered Christian to Republicans.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/...rman-is-right/

In which Charles C.W. Cooke of the National Review Online writes about how Maggie Haberman Is Right (literal title!) and how Trump actually believes he'll be "reinstated" as POTUS this summer, and bring a few Senators with him (not Loeffler, she's not invited), and the comments section is furious that ANONYMOUS SOURCES are used and angrily assert it's all FAKE NEWS.

I wonder if there will ever be a point when these people realize that their god-in-the-flesh is really a deeply lost, confused, and delusional old man.

If these people had a shred of self awareness and critical thinking /facepalm.

If anonymous sources make things fake news, why isn't half the shit they're still attached to from the 4 years Trump was in office not considered fake news? It's fake when it disagrees with their beliefs, but a legitimate conspiracy and "we're the only ones with enough integrity to report on it" when it supports them?

Extreme facepalm

[Benggaul]

Thursday's report:

17,821 new cases; about 7k fewer than last week.

Top 5:

Fuck Florida.
Texas: 1,624 new cases; 57 deaths
California: 1,168 new cases; 22 deaths
Washington: 879 new cases; 23 deaths
Colorado: 845 new cases; 7 deaths

Things are still shaking out after the holiday weekend, but it's looking like today's totals are closer to accurate. Good news, considering only 3 states still had more than 1k cases, though I suspect New York will find its way back into that club once things are back to normal next week. Only Washington, Colorado and Wyoming are still considered "high" risk states with the rest of the nation falling into the "medium" risk category. California is up to 57% vaccinated which is decent considering the huge population. Conversely we have Texas which sits at about 44%.

574 deaths is about 100 fewer than last Thursday and brings the total to 611,611. Michigan, Texas and Florida top the list, though as always Michigan is up there largely due to their reporting method; their average is about 27. Both Texas and Florida are higher.

Related news:

Average daily pace of newly administered Covid-19 vaccines falls below 1 million, CDC data shows--This is why we're seeing more and more incentives being rolled out for people to get vaccinated. Most of those who wanted it and have access to it have gotten it, and now all that's left is to broaden access and convince the more hesitant portion of the population to get it. Though over 51% of the population has received at least one dose, we're still far off the goal.

Stay safe, folks.

[cubby]

The GoP is dead eventually, regardless. But like a cornered rat, it can do quite a bit of damage on its way out, even to its own.

I don't know that we're there yet. The GQP gained seats in the house in 2020 and didn't lose as many Senate seats as they should - and even then it was because of Trump in the end - his horrific shenanigans in Georgia, etc. 2022 will be very telling. If the House flips the country could be in real trouble. If the GQP grabs the House and the Senate, well, to me that's the opposite of what you're suggesting.

At that point we'll have an openly bigoted and morally bankrupt political party that encourages violence and is almost completely detached from reality. Who have already solidified control of the Judiciary vis a vis SCOTUS and consolidated red state voting laws to almost ensure Dems can't make gains. Major policy initiatives are done. Abortion rights are out the window (Kavanaugh believes tampons aren't a right for women - and he isn't the most conservative Justice). Gay rights might be at risk. Trans rights will die.

By then we can just stamp Gilead on the front cover while President Ivanka Trump wins her third term in 2032.

[Edge-]

Facebook decided Trump can come back for the next election… fucking morons.

Gotta give the authoritarians something so they don't come after Zuckerberg hard.

Zuckerberg may spend lavishly on charities, but he's still a massive cowardly piece of shit whose only interest appears to be maintaining his power and continuing to grow his wealth.

He doesn't want to miss out on the massively increased engagement Trump will bring as his followers start living on FB again and his opponents increase their time on the site rage-posting. DOLLA DOLLA BILLS Y'ALL.

[Ripster42]

Facebook decided Trump can come back for the next election… fucking morons.

Eh, maybe. Sounds more like it's a "we'll re-evaluate the situation when our current ban is set to expire." That ban is also set to end after the next election. I have a feeling they're going to be looking at what trump is saying about the 2022 election when the decision eventually gets made. I'm guessing that if the GOP gets a majority in the house, he's not in jail, and trump stops with the fraud claims (since, in this scenario, they took the house), they'll reinstate him. I'm going to guess if the GOP fails to get a majority, he doesn't make more fraud claims, they'll reinstate him. I have no idea what happens in the other two scenarios where he still claims there's fraud.