Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Magical Mudcrab]

For anyone who has not seen it, here is the 20~minute speech McConnell made for the reason he voted to acquit.

[cubby]

Not guilty!

Justice prevailed.

But still Impeached. Twice.

Have you seen Trump's Virtual Presidential Library?

[Paranoid Android]

That won't happen impeachment is basically dead now, no president will ever get removed from office.

Yes, it's dead. As a Woke Independent (snark) I will likely have to take sides if this happens again.

A Democrat President is now above the law. Maybe my next LGBQT, SJW, Muslim, Antifa President I vote for will live stream an orgy while selling all our secrets to North Korea.

An oh btw, is Republicans know the Dems would do the right thing and vote a Dem out. While the Republicans don't give a shit.

[cubby]

You vastly underestimate how much fascism appeals to insecure youth.

Also, vastly overestimating how much the youth votes.

[TigTone]

Also, vastly overestimating how much the youth votes.

Let hope it’s different now? Seeing how the consequences of who your politicians is highly visible now with Social media.

[infinitemeridian]

I don’t believe these old Republicans are taking into account the vastly different voter base that is coming into adult hood in the next 5 years.

Fuck they made a list of Gen Z famous teens and called them threats to America.

Great way to get the youths on your side /s

Gen Z and newer gens don’t not want anything with Republicans. They have seen the mass disruption, ignorance, hate, and death their policy has brought. All within 4 years.

Trump and fascism is more popular among gen z than any other gen besides boomers.

[Benggaul]

Those people are the minority Trump has enjoyed 90% approval rating with them, let's face it Trump is a feature not a bug.

No, he enjoyed a 90% approval rating with Republicans. "Republican" hasn't been synonymous with "conservative" in decades.

[Paranoid Android]

For anyone who has not seen it, here is the 20~minute speech McConnell made for the reason he voted to acquit.

McConnel is the biggest piece of feces there ever was. I can't believe someone can outdue themselves. But here it is.

Mitch McConnell refused to hold impeachment trial while Trump was in office & now says he’ll acquit because trial is unconstitutional since Trump no longer in office. Absolutely despicable

https://twitter.com/AriBerman/status...079053824?s=19

Translation; McConnell knows it was insurrection incited by Trump but he prevented justice by delay.

[beanman12345]

Also, vastly overestimating how much the youth votes.

tbf trump lost GA in part due to exceptionally high youth turnout voting against him. was like 7% above the national avg there. the youth that matter, the ones who vote, are not voting for him.

[Grapemask]

Disappointed, but not surprised.

I'm also disappointed but not surprised that the Trumpists and I-don't-support-Trump-but-here's-how-he's-never-wrong'ers around here are now subtly trying to embrace the domestic terrorism that occurred. Condoning crazy makes the crazy get crazier.

[Shadowferal]

Oh, it is. Your problem is that nothing in your sentence happened. Odd how you and others are wishing it did.

What a liar you are.
Your little god wasn't exonerated child. And the former toddler-chief did indeed incite violence commitr treason. But since you don't live here it obviously matters little to you.

[cubby]

Let hope it’s different now? Seeing how the consequences of who your politicians is highly visible now with Social media.

That might be one solid benefit of social media - youth awareness of voting effects.

[SavoirFaire]

No surprise, but what happened to all that talk of banning him from holding public office with a simple majority vote? was that just red meat and wishful thinking? I was under no illusion he’d be removed but I was for sure hoping there would be some teeth to this trial.

[cubby]

tbf trump lost GA in part due to exceptionally high youth turnout voting against him. was like 7% above the national avg there. the youth that matter, the ones who vote, are not voting for him.

I didn't know that - I thought youth turnout was low, as usual, and it was high black turnout that flipped GA.

[Shadowferal]

New York, you're up!
Show DC how it's done.

[beanman12345]

I didn't know that - I thought youth turnout was low, as usual, and it was high black turnout that flipped GA.

it was many factors. but youth vote was crazy high in GA and voted blue. and there is likely a big overlap. high black turnout with high youth black turnout.

[Ursus]

No surprise, but what happened to all that talk of banning him from holding public office with a simple majority vote? was that just red meat and wishful thinking? I was under no illusion he’d be removed but I was for sure hoping there would be some teeth to this trial.

My understanding is that the simple majority vote to ban him from public office can only be taken if the impeachment vote to convict succeeds. Since there was no conviction, they can't hold the vote to ban him from future office.

[Zeth Hawkins]

"It doesn't look like the trials I've seen on TV therefore it isn't a real trial" is a shitty argument, hun.

Are you saying it is normal, or is this a strawman non-statement?

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The senate impeachment proceedings are not a trial in the first place.

If they were Trump would have been in actual trouble.

If they were, it would have been thrown out for a few reasons, not least of which is the doctored evidence supplied by the House Managers.

[beanman12345]

My understanding is that the simple majority vote to ban him from public office can only be taken if the impeachment vote to convict succeeds. Since there was no conviction, they can't hold the vote to ban him from future office.

you understand right. need to convict with 67, and then after need simple majority to forever ban. with no conviction second vote can't happen.

[Draco-Onis]

No, he enjoyed a 90% approval rating with Republicans. "Republican" hasn't been synonymous with "conservative" in decades.

The numbers from the election disagree with you it shows the conservatives are vastly outnumbered by Trumpists.