Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Draco-Onis]

And yet another Simpsons episode has come true

The whole immigrant bringing diseases thing is a old racist trope.

[Bodakane]

I disagree.

The GQP will believe anything that Gym tells them, so the upside doesn't exist because they can just make whatever upside they want. So if it's not this, it will be something else, and something else after that, and then something else after that. A base that willfully elects someone like Gym Jordon doesn't need any reality to continue frothing at the mouth.

Conversely, if he is subpoenaed, and then tells everyone under oath that he lied, well, then he's a liar. However, if he tells the Committee that he did speak with Trump, but refuses to answer any substantive questions, it opens the door for getting Trump under oath. The upside is all for the Democrats here.

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The problem is non-Republicans will die because of their stupidity. I have two children under the age of 12, and their vaccinations CAN'T happen until at least late this year. So all those fuckwads who don't vaccinate are endangering my children (on a personal level) and the health of this country (on a national level).

I would rather just se la vie it and let the GQP die off, but it's not just them who are affected.

Mask them and distance them. Its all you can do anyway. The idiots won't be swayed.

[Gestopft]

In an effort to put to put any doubts that he might be something other than a petulant child, it turns out Donald Trump is fighting Biden's infrastructure deal behind the scenes because he's mad there wasn't one when he was president:

I've long felt that one of Trump's biggest political mistakes (aside from being his awful self of course) was ceding policy agenda immediately to the House GOP and their priorities instead of pushing for an infrastructure package right out of the gate. Of course, he's a narcissist who knows jack shit about policy, and utterly incapable of leadership when it came to a legislative agenda, so it was never going to happen, but imagine if at the start of his maladministration he said "I was elected because I'm a builder and I'm going to rebuild America"- if he had pushed hard for Congress to focus on infrastructure right off of the bat, he could've:
a) used his grip on the GOP base to get the Reps and Senators to support a broad spending package
b) put some Democrats in a hell of a pickle, with the prospect of something they've wanted to do for a long time on one hand, and on the other hand a base that was still furious about Trump's win and wanted resistance
c) done something popular and gotten credit for it
d) done something good
e) increased his own approval rating because of c) and d)
f) gotten a ton of shit named after him

Honestly it's baffling why he didn't do this...but Trump being Trump, honestly it isn't baffling at all.

[Gorsameth]

I've long felt that one of Trump's biggest political mistakes (aside from being his awful self of course) was ceding policy agenda immediately to the House GOP and their priorities instead of pushing for an infrastructure package right out of the gate. Of course, he's a narcissist who knows jack shit about policy, and utterly incapable of leadership when it came to a legislative agenda, so it was never going to happen, but imagine if at the start of his maladministration he said "I was elected because I'm a builder and I'm going to rebuild America"- if he had pushed hard for Congress to focus on infrastructure right off of the bat, he could've:
a) used his grip on the GOP base to get the Reps and Senators to support a broad spending package
b) put some Democrats in a hell of a pickle, with the prospect of something they've wanted to do for a long time on one hand, and on the other hand a base that was still furious about Trump's win and wanted resistance
c) done something popular and gotten credit for it
d) done something good
e) increased his own approval rating because of c) and d)
f) gotten a ton of shit named after him

Honestly it's baffling why he didn't do this...but Trump being Trump, honestly it isn't baffling at all.

Don't underestimate the Congress of 'not doing shit'. I'm not so sure Trump could have overcome that. Its not for want of trying by some that under Trump nothing happened except the corporate tax cut, the GOP couldn't agree to anything to actually do while holding all 3 branches.

[Teriz]

Still nothing from DeathSantis about masks or other precautionary measures. Fuck Florida.

Florida hiding their numbers is some really despicable shit.

[pathora44]

The whole immigrant bringing diseases thing is a old racist trope.

Yep, about as old as America itself because why fix your own mistakes when it is so much easier to blame the immigrants or minorities over there for your woes.

[Edge-]

Yep, about as old as America itself because why fix your own mistakes when it is so much easier to blame the immigrants or minorities over there for your woes.

"We're a nation of immigrants"

also

"THOSE IMMIGRANTS ARE RUINING OUR NATION!"

[pathora44]

Florida hiding their numbers is some really despicable shit.

Ya, DeSantis is always fighting for the top spot of worst/dangerous Americans with the likes of Trump, Carlson, Murdoch, etc...

[Trifle]

Don't underestimate the Congress of 'not doing shit'. I'm not so sure Trump could have overcome that. Its not for want of trying by some that under Trump nothing happened except the corporate tax cut, the GOP couldn't agree to anything to actually do while holding all 3 branches.

The corporate tax cut was done under reconciliation so didn't even need the super majority that accomplishing anything else would have needed in the senate. Still, if he had come up with something decent I'm pretty sure there'd be Democrats willing to support it... the trick would be finding that sweet spot where enough Republicans would still be willing to support it.

[Edge-]

https://www.vox.com/2021/7/28/225945...dive-explained

Y'all, Trump can't get his favored candidates elected and apparently he can't save Newsmax either. Shit's falling apart and they're losing their small audience to Fox News once more. Fairly interesting piece looking at why this is happening.

[Breccia]

Iowa governor suggests immigrants partially to blame for rising COVID-19 cases--Horse. Shit. Anything to avoid blaming Trump and the GOP for downplaying the whole thing for a year. Assholes.

"We're a nation of immigrants"

also

"THOSE IMMIGRANTS ARE RUINING OUR NATION!"

This is a bad idea for the GOP to attempt. There's already been a move for GOP actors to act in their authority to stop immigration in any form. But, if you want to blame the rise of COVID in your state, saying "it's immigrants" while you're blocking immigrants will prove itself false.

Yeah, yeah, you're going to say "their voters won't care" but that depends on how many of them die. The hypocrisy they've forced themselves to accept, the death count at some point could be a tipping point. Even if they won't vote blue, they might just stay home and look at the empty chair/sofa that used to hold a loved one.

[unfilteredJW]

Iowa governor suggests immigrants partially to blame for rising COVID-19 cases--Horse. Shit. Anything to avoid blaming Trump and the GOP for downplaying the whole thing for a year. Assholes.

I don't like being a crazy person, but she said people were coming in from 88 countries.

[Breccia]

WaPo reports that Trump called the Attorney General every day for his last month in office, pushing the election fraud conspiracy theory and asking what the AG could do to help Trump stay in office.

"What did he say?"

He said "I don't exist". Barr had already resigned. But Trump also called his acting AG Rosen.

"Well smartass, what did he say?"

During my tenure, no special prosecutors were appointed, whether for election fraud or otherwise. No public statements were made questioning the election. No letters were sent to State officials seeking to overturn the election results. No DOJ court actions or filings were submitted seeking to overturn election results

"Wow, he said that to Trump?"

Goodness no. He said that to Congress in May. On the phone with Trump he probably said "I'll see what I can do" and then did nothing. However, a quick search suggests that's true -- I can't find much of Rosen speaking out on the issue at the time. Trump, by contrast, was obsessed with the conspiracy theory that there was fraud to the point of mobilizing a murderous insurrection.

The report goes to further Trump's deteriorating state of mind with regard to losing the election fairly. Hopefully this and other information comes forward that basically forces Trump to take the stand. I want him to say "I have no proof" under oath. I want this conspiracy theory shown to be as lame-ass, limp-dick, and most importantly IMPOTUS as its creator.

[Kaleredar]

Iowa governor suggests immigrants partially to blame for rising COVID-19 cases--Horse. Shit. Anything to avoid blaming Trump and the GOP for downplaying the whole thing for a year. Assholes.

Stay safe, folks.

And therein lies yet another example of conservative cognitive dissonance.

Are the immigrants to blame for new COVID cases because they're unvaccinated or not wearing masks? Because conservatives are against both of those things.

Or is it the old "immigrants are dirty and unwholesome and therefore more likely to spread diseases despite the fact that the god-fearing, clean conservatives take no additional efforts to mitigate catching or spreading the disease themselves."

[DarkTZeratul]

And therein lies yet another example of conservative cognitive dissonance.

Are the immigrants to blame for new COVID cases because they're unvaccinated or not wearing masks? Because conservatives are against both of those things.

Or is it the old "immigrants are dirty and unwholesome and therefore more likely to spread diseases despite the fact that the god-fearing, clean conservatives take no additional efforts to mitigate catching or spreading the disease themselves."

Obviously it's that second one.

[Breccia]

And therein lies yet another example of conservative cognitive dissonance.

And what is this?

Here, we did — developed three highly effective vaccines in under one year. Honestly, it never occurred to me we would have difficulty getting people to take the vaccine.

So, clearly, we have got a job to do to try to convince reluctant Americans of all types who seem to be holding back, unconvinced that this is the right thing to do.

That's Mitch McConnell again, expressing surprise that "people" wouldn't get the vaccine while not admitting which "people" -- his own party. I don't know why he's taking this approach, it's not like he's worried about offending Trump -- Trump hasn't said "the vaccine is cursed, don't get it". He should be just directly telling his own voters "This is a good thing, you should do it".

[Azadina]

I don't like being a crazy person, but she said people were coming in from 88 countries.

Here I had thought it's one person from China. Strange...

[unfilteredJW]

Here I had thought it's one person from China. Strange...

There’s 35 countries in the Americas. 88 was an odd number to pick. Unless…..

slash puts on tin foil hat

That number was picked for a reason.

[Azadina]

There’s 35 countries in the Americas. 88 was an odd number to pick. Unless…..

slash puts on tin foil hat

That number was picked for a reason.

Would that involve counting letters? like let's see what we get....ah, but of course: HH

[Gorsameth]

The corporate tax cut was done under reconciliation so didn't even need the super majority that accomplishing anything else would have needed in the senate. Still, if he had come up with something decent I'm pretty sure there'd be Democrats willing to support it... the trick would be finding that sweet spot where enough Republicans would still be willing to support it.

Pretty much by definition is there is Democratic support the Republicans will not support it.