Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[beanman12345]

Stay safe, man.

Georgia might not be Florida, but they're not doing great even in USA context. They're in the top 10 per capita cases and hospitalizations, but not deaths. Yet.

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I imagine Lara Trump was talking about nonlethal diseases like chicken pox, which is still fucked up but not sociopathic. Hoping it happens with COVID is, because that shit kills people. Also, while most adults have caught chicken pox, most adults haven't caught COVID. Your kid comes home with chicken pox and you're fine. Your kid comes home with COVID and you're not fine.

EDIT: I should be clear, I'm not defending Lara Trump. She was likely using chicken pox as a parallel to COVID in that clip I didn't see. If so, then she's a sociopath. If not, well, I owe her an apology.

It was over a cold in fact, but in context about covid letting the immune system naturally do it's thing, instead of letting kids wear masks in order to, prevent trying to get it in the first place, so yeah, complete sociopathic in this case, which always is the case when it's someone with that last name.

[Breccia]

there's a vaccine for it now

I love living in the future.

[D Luniz]

Stay safe, man.

Georgia might not be Florida, but they're not doing great even in USA context. They're in the top 10 per capita cases and hospitalizations, but not deaths. Yet.

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I imagine Lara Trump was talking about nonlethal diseases like chicken pox, which is still fucked up but not sociopathic. Hoping it happens with COVID is, because that shit kills people. Also, while most adults have caught chicken pox, most adults haven't caught COVID. Your kid comes home with chicken pox and you're fine. Your kid comes home with COVID and you're not fine.

EDIT: I should be clear, I'm not defending Lara Trump. She was likely using chicken pox as a parallel to COVID in that clip I didn't see. If so, then she's a sociopath. If not, well, I owe her an apology.

fun fact: the CDC have been saying today that Delta is as contagious as the chicken pox

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/h...lta-masks.html

C.D.C. Internal Report Calls Delta Variant as Contagious as Chickenpox
The Delta variant is much more contagious, more likely to break through protections afforded by the vaccines and may cause more severe disease than all other known versions of the virus, according to an internal presentation circulated within the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Ok, not really fun, but going "GOOD NEWS EVERYBODY!!" seemed worse.

[beanman12345]

fun fact: the CDC have been saying today that Delta is as contagious as the chicken pox

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/h...lta-masks.html


Ok, not really fun, but going "GOOD NEWS EVERYBODY!!" seemed worse.

So basically everyone who isn't immune is gonna get this thing, and just like chickenpox can fuck you up later in life too!

[Benggaul]

From Nevada:

Father of 5 Dies After Texting Fiancée, 'I Should Have Gotten the Damn Vaccine'

You can click to read the article if you like but the headline pretty much says it all.

Now, before anyone says something they might regret, their reason for not getting the vaccine was out of concern for the side effects and they had planned on getting it "within a year". They weren't an outright "anti-vaxxer"; I can understand people being abundantly cautious about that--however, he works in a casino and just went to San Diego for a two-week vacation during an ongoing pandemic, so...yeah.

I've said it before--and linked experts saying it--and I'll say it again: the side effects from the vaccine are far, far milder than the side effects of COVID. Don't let the fear-mongering assholes from the GQP talk you out of it. Get your jabs.

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out of concern for the side effects

Man, I see this shit so much. How fuckin soft are people, seriously? Like, ain't nobody ever had the flu before? Got punched in the arm hard and had a nasty bruise for a day or two? I just don't fuckin get it, man.

[Poopymonster]

From Nevada:

Father of 5 Dies After Texting Fiancée, 'I Should Have Gotten the Damn Vaccine'

You can click to read the article if you like but the headline pretty much says it all.

Now, before anyone says something they might regret, their reason for not getting the vaccine was out of concern for the side effects and they had planned on getting it "within a year". They weren't an outright "anti-vaxxer"; I can understand people being abundantly cautious about that--however, he works in a casino and just went to San Diego for a two-week vacation during an ongoing pandemic, so...yeah.

I've said it before--and linked experts saying it--and I'll say it again: the side effects from the vaccine are far, far milder than the side effects of COVID. Don't let the fear-mongering assholes from the GQP talk you out of it. Get your jabs.

If you're not sure about the vaccine, then intentionally jump into the unwashed masses of humanity for a vacation...here's your sign.

[postman1782]

From Nevada:

Father of 5 Dies After Texting Fiancée, 'I Should Have Gotten the Damn Vaccine'

You can click to read the article if you like but the headline pretty much says it all.

Now, before anyone says something they might regret, their reason for not getting the vaccine was out of concern for the side effects and they had planned on getting it "within a year". They weren't an outright "anti-vaxxer"; I can understand people being abundantly cautious about that--however, he works in a casino and just went to San Diego for a two-week vacation during an ongoing pandemic, so...yeah.

I've said it before--and linked experts saying it--and I'll say it again: the side effects from the vaccine are far, far milder than the side effects of COVID. Don't let the fear-mongering assholes from the GQP talk you out of it. Get your jabs.

Yeah, I have a couple of friends I have played WoW and other games with that are now both nurses, at a VA hospital in Kentucky, they literally just told me about a 33 year old guy that was begging for the vaccine, as he was about to be sedated and put on a ventilator. Really fucking sad seeing or hearing about these people, begging as they are struggling to breathe and not knowing they are already too late to be saved.

[beanman12345]

From Nevada:

Father of 5 Dies After Texting Fiancée, 'I Should Have Gotten the Damn Vaccine'

You can click to read the article if you like but the headline pretty much says it all.

Now, before anyone says something they might regret, their reason for not getting the vaccine was out of concern for the side effects and they had planned on getting it "within a year". They weren't an outright "anti-vaxxer"; I can understand people being abundantly cautious about that--however, he works in a casino and just went to San Diego for a two-week vacation during an ongoing pandemic, so...yeah.

I've said it before--and linked experts saying it--and I'll say it again: the side effects from the vaccine are far, far milder than the side effects of COVID. Don't let the fear-mongering assholes from the GQP talk you out of it. Get your jabs.

Eh, it's not less dumb a reason than 5G bots taking over, just not as outlandish a reason as that.

[Benggaul]

Man, I see this shit so much. How fuckin soft are people, seriously? Like, ain't nobody ever had the flu before? Got punched in the arm hard and had a nasty bruise for a day or two? I just don't fuckin get it, man.

There has been a lot of scaremongering surrounding blood clots and heart problems (you may have seen some of the disingenuous posters referencing them in a few threads on these forums) that has put a lot of people off the vaccine. Experts have said that you're actually more likely to get those issues without the vaccine and the "heart issues" the fraction of a percentage of people get from the vaccines are both mild and temporary, but the damage has already been done.

Edit: In fact, here's a link with some useful info about the heart "risk":

Israel reports link between rare cases of heart inflammation and COVID-19 vaccination in young men

The COVID-19 vaccine made by Pfizer and BioNTech appears to put young men at elevated risk of developing a heart muscle inflammation called myocarditis, researchers in Israel say. In a report submitted today to the Israeli Ministry of Health, they conclude that between one in 3000 and one in 6000 men ages 16 to 24 who received the vaccine developed the rare condition. But most cases were mild and resolved within a few weeks, which is typical for myocarditis. “I can’t imagine it’s going to be anything that would cause medical people to say we shouldn’t vaccinate kids,” says Douglas Diekema, a pediatrician and bioethicist at Seattle Children’s Hospital.
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“From a parent’s perspective, this really comes down to risk perception, assessment of the data,” says Diekema, who has studied risk-benefit trade-offs. Even if a link between myocarditis and the vaccine holds up, the condition is usually mild, requiring treatment only with anti-inflammatory drugs, whereas COVID-19 infection can also cause serious disease and long-term side effects, even in young people. As suspicion has percolated about a possible connection, “I don’t know many physicians who are changing their minds about vaccinating their kids,” Diekema says.

There has been a lot of anti-vaxx rhetoric surrounding this that's frightening a few non-anti-vaxxers. And, as has been pointed out, it's nothing to fear, ultimately.

[tehdang]

There has been a lot of scaremongering surrounding blood clots and heart problems (you may have seen some of the disingenuous posters referencing them in a few threads on these forums) that has put a lot of people off the vaccine. Experts have said that you're actually more likely to get those issues without the vaccine and the "heart issues" the fraction of a percentage of people get from the vaccines are both mild and temporary, but the damage has already been done.

As long as you don’t see the Biden admins pause in J&J as blood clot scaremongering I suppose.

New vaccinations of all varieties hit a small plateau after that.

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As long as you don’t see the Biden admins pause in J&J as blood clot scaremongering I suppose.

New vaccinations of all varieties hit a small plateau after that.

A 10-day pause to investigate reports, that ended with them continuing to recommend the vaccine. For 6 cases amongst 6.8 million doses.

Yeah, it's very much scaremongering, this is pretty routine stuff.

[Benggaul]

As long as you don’t see the Biden admins pause in J&J as blood clot scaremongering I suppose.

New vaccinations of all varieties hit a small plateau after that.

That was a misstep and an overabundance of caution. There were 6 reported cases of blood clots (and one death) out of 6.8 million administered doses as of the pause. Meanwhile, close to 20% of COVID patients admitted to the ICU develop blood clots. The media took that and ran with it and anti-vaxxers used it as proof that they were right.

[Kaleredar]

Man, I see this shit so much. How fuckin soft are people, seriously? Like, ain't nobody ever had the flu before? Got punched in the arm hard and had a nasty bruise for a day or two? I just don't fuckin get it, man.

there's a lot of misinformation about it causing cancer or miscarriages or simply that the "risks are too unknown," in addition to all the people that don't believe COVID is dangerous/ won't take it out of principle because they don't want "the libs" telling them what to do.

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there's a lot of misinformation about it causing cancer or miscarriages or simply that the "risks are too unknown," in addition to all the people that don't believe COVID is dangerous/ won't take it out of principle because they don't want "the libs" telling them what to do.

I know about the misinformation and my post wasn't about that. That's a whole other ball of wax. This is just the, "Oh, I don't want to feel sick for a few days." poo babies that know the vaccine is safe/will work but just don't want to feel like crap for a day or two.

[Nastard]

There were 6 reported cases of blood clots (and one death) out of 6.8 million administered doses as of the pause. Meanwhile, close to 20% of COVID patients admitted to the ICU develop blood clots. The media took that and ran with it and anti-vaxxers used it as proof that they were right.

It's hilarious that the anti-vaxxers use the argument that Covid death's aren't really that bad because people ACTUALLY died to "pre-existing conditions" yet would never use that same mindset to explain the 6 cases of blood clots.

Anyway, I've heard a lot of people making fun of Biden's potential plan to give $100 to anyone who gets vaccinated. The argument is that 600,000 deaths weren't enough to change their minds so $100 won't either. At surface value it seems to be a valid point. However, I think it's genius. At this point, most unvaccinated are Republicans and if there's one thing you can be certain of is that most will sell out their values in a SECOND for a paltry sum of cash. Hell, offer a beer and a promise that no one will tell their friends that they got vaccinated and it'd probably be enough.

[Breccia]

"risks are too unknown,"

"I don't want to be a guinea pig!"
"You already are. You've just volunteered to be in the control group."

[Benggaul]

It's hilarious that the anti-vaxxers use the argument that Covid death's aren't really that bad because people ACTUALLY died to "pre-existing conditions" yet would never use that same mindset to explain the 6 cases of blood clots.

Anyway, I've heard a lot of people making fun of Biden's potential plan to give $100 to anyone who gets vaccinated. The argument is that 600,000 deaths weren't enough to change their minds so $100 won't either. At surface value it seems to be a valid point. However, I think it's genius. At this point, most unvaccinated are Republicans and if there's one thing you can be certain of is that most will sell out their values in a SECOND for a paltry sum of cash. Hell, offer a beer and a promise that no one will tell their friends that they got vaccinated and it'd probably be enough.

I read about that plan and I'm all--....Stupid sexy Flanders.

Anyway, I'm all for it. It's another carrot that might push a few more people to get vaccinated. A couple of states have already said they'd do it (though if I recall they were obviously not the states that NEED people to be incentivized).

[Kaleredar]

"I don't want to be a guinea pig!"
"You already are. You've just volunteered to be in the control group."

And again, they'd counter with "well I'm more willing to accept the risks of COVID than of an unknown vaccine!"


...not knowing, of course, that you can't transmit the risks of the vaccine, but you can transmit COVID. There are also people weighing in with "look at all the people who had gotten the vaccine but are getting COVID anyway, it doesn't even work!" despite a 95% effectiveness rating still meaning a 5% ineffectiveness rating.

[Nellise]

Anyway, I've heard a lot of people making fun of Biden's potential plan to give $100 to anyone who gets vaccinated. The argument is that 600,000 deaths weren't enough to change their minds so $100 won't either. At surface value it seems to be a valid point. However, I think it's genius. At this point, most unvaccinated are Republicans and if there's one thing you can be certain of is that most will sell out their values in a SECOND for a paltry sum of cash. Hell, offer a beer and a promise that no one will tell their friends that they got vaccinated and it'd probably be enough.

There are many areas with low vaccination rates that aren't Republican. Here's a map of Chicago's vaccinations: https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-covi...tions/9037991/

Most of the areas that are very low are black neighborhoods that are almost certainly not Republican areas (Biden won Chicago with 82% of the vote). There are various reasons they're so low, but being Republican certainly isn't it, and other kinds of outreach might work in these areas.